AB gurus - a question with set-up

[dttheliman]

Hi, I have just started getting into the app, and most of it is really fairly simple to set up, however my confusion is over the scope setups under firearm, eg I have a 12x50 Schmidt & Bender PM2 (mil/mil) however the turrets are marked "1 click = 0.25cm" so then my question goes to ok how does this relate to the drop down list of grad's that are available in the app, equally confused on what I should be setting my 5 x 25 NF beast (mil/mil) which is .2 mils on elevation and .1 on windage - I clearly do not understand how the gradients function in the app.

Any insight would be appreciated

Thanks

Tim

 

[Holliday]

Hi, I have just started getting into the app, and most of it is really fairly simple to set up, however my confusion is over the scope setups under firearm, eg I have a 12x50 Schmidt & Bender PM2 (mil/mil) however the turrets are marked "1 click = 0.25cm" so then my question goes to ok how does this relate to the drop down list of grad's that are available in the app, equally confused on what I should be setting my 5 x 25 NF beast (mil/mil) which is .2 mils on elevation and .1 on windage - I clearly do not understand how the gradients function in the app.

Any insight would be appreciated

Thanks

Tim

I'm no guru but I did stay in aHoliday Inn Express last night.

I'm confused by the mil/mil "1click= 0.25 cm" . Check me but by my math that would make it a .025 mil per click . I'm not familiar with Schmidt & Bender scopes but that is 4 times finer clicks than my Vortex Razor Gen II. Or in AB fractional terms 1/40th, which is not available as a selection. Again either my math is wrong else is going on.

The Nightforce would be . 2 mils or "1/5" for elevation and .1 or 1/10th for windage . Both of those are available.

 

[Nik H]

Their standard scope is 1click=1cm. This would be far more precise but may be true since they offer a 1/8 MOA option. 1/4 cm adjustment is about 0.1 inch per click and 1/8 MOA is 0.125" per click.

 

[Holliday]

Their standard scope is 1click=1cm. This would be far more precise but may be true since they offer a 1/8 MOA option. 1/4 cm adjustment is about 0.1 inch per click and 1/8 MOA is 0.125" per click.

Huh?

 

[cwinston]

Max, you're off by a factor of 10. At 100 meters one mil = 10 cm. One click on a 1/10 mil scope moves the poi 1 cm. His scope takes 4 clicks to move the poi the same distance.

To the OPs original question, the best way I can figure in AB is to set the units to MILS and the value to 1/20 Then ignore the clicks value on the firing solution or double it if you want to use it ( your scope would be 1/40)

The MILS firing solution will always be right and you will have to adjust your scope accordingly. I can't say how easy this would be, I sure would love to see the turret markings on your scope. Your scope has very fine adjustment, probably intended for the bench rest market.

For your NF scope, think of it this way, they want to know how many clicks it takes to move one unit (MIL) So in elevation at .2 MILS per click it takes 5 clicks to move one MIL. So set the elevation in AB to 1/5.

The windage is .1 MILS per click so it takes 10 clicks to move 1 MIL so set that one to 1/10.

 

[Holliday]

( your scope would be 1/40)

For your NF scope, .2 MILS per click it takes 5 clicks to move one MIL. So set the elevation in AB to 1/5.

The windage is .1 MILS per click ..... 1/10.

Exactlty what I said in my first post 1/40th, 1/5th and 1/10......

 

[Holliday]

To the OPs original question, the best way I can figure in AB is to set the units to MILS and the value to 1/20 Then ignore the clicks value on the firing solution or double it if you want to use it ( your scope would be 1/40)

i checked with Nick at AB and this would be the correct work around for 1/40th scope.

 

[Nik H]

Huh?

Look at cwinston's post...I left out the math

 

[Holliday]

Look at cwinston's post...I left out the math

lol, yea TOTALLY missed that......mea culpa....lol

 

[Nik H]

NP...I originally put it in but then saw the other post.

 

[EXTREMEPREJUDICE]

Any insight would be appreciated

Thanks

Tim

Well, here's the opinion of someone who has the same model of Schmidt as you have. Your turrets are metric (NO RELATIONSHIP TO MILS) which means in .25 cm gradients or "clicks. A full value (4 clicks) is 1 cm at 100 meters. Very similar to the IPHY models made here in the US. Your reticle (based on your post) is in mils, so your situation is in some ways comparable to a scope that has a mil reticle and MOA turrets. Usable, but requires your ability to dial in cm per 100 meters but range and hold in mils...........a PIA! You are not going to be able to use any of the pull downs in the AB app without some type of conversion because as you can use the 1/4 gradient there is no cm to relate to with IPHY to being the closest. You can use the mil reticle but the app won't be able to provide the right turrets response for your firing solution. Maybe you could ask AB to add cm as a turret value? Otherwise, you'll have to convert (probably IPHY) and create a formula to make the adjustment. Sorry, I know that's not what you wanted to hear.

 

[Holliday]

Well, here's the opinion of someone who has the same model of Schmidt as you have. Your turrets are metric (NO RELATIONSHIP TO MILS) which means in .25 cm gradients or "clicks. A full value (4 clicks) is 1 cm at 100 meters. Very similar to the IPHY models made here in the US. Your reticle (based on your post) is in mils, so your situation is in some ways comparable to a scope that has a mil reticle and MOA turrets. Usable, but requires your ability to dial in cm per 100 meters but range and hold in mils...........a PIA! You are not going to be able to use any of the pull downs in the AB app without some type of conversion because as you can use the 1/4 gradient there is no cm to relate to with IPHY to being the closest. You can use the mil reticle but the app won't be able to provide the right turrets response for your firing solution. Maybe you could ask AB to add cm as a turret value? Otherwise, you'll have to convert (probably IPHY) and create a formula to make the adjustment. Sorry, I know that's not what you wanted to hear.

Well that certainly fills in some gaps.....I started long range shooting and Mil/MOA on all my scopes. Now they are Mil/Mil and what a game changer for me. I'll never own another mix scope again this if I can help it.

 

[Nik H]

Well, here's the opinion of someone who has the same model of Schmidt as you have. Your turrets are metric (NO RELATIONSHIP TO MILS) which means in .25 cm gradients or "clicks. A full value (4 clicks) is 1 cm at 100 meters. Very similar to the IPHY models made here in the US. Your reticle (based on your post) is in mils, so your situation is in some ways comparable to a scope that has a mil reticle and MOA turrets. Usable, but requires your ability to dial in cm per 100 meters but range and hold in mils...........a PIA! You are not going to be able to use any of the pull downs in the AB app without some type of conversion because as you can use the 1/4 gradient there is no cm to relate to with IPHY to being the closest. You can use the mil reticle but the app won't be able to provide the right turrets response for your firing solution. Maybe you could ask AB to add cm as a turret value? Otherwise, you'll have to convert (probably IPHY) and create a formula to make the adjustment. Sorry, I know that's not what you wanted to hear.

Thanks for the post...never knew such a turret even existed