Sorry - the first gallon of coffee isn't in there yet. Its still in the cupboard mocking me.I was being sarcastic because I did it.
Accuracy International AT-X
- Thread starter Peter Laurvick
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DT, can you give us some pics of what the loaded mag looks like? Are the lips making full contact with the round towards the rear? Thanks
AW on the left, AX on the right. Gotten into the habit of packing them back like a pack of Marlboro lights back in high school!
I’ll get some pics. But basically, yes.
The mag that didn’t feed was similar to Scott’s pic above. It wasn’t as pronounced, but you could definitely move the top rounds around as they weren’t pressed firmly up into the lips.
If anyone else is like me and absolutely hates dragging the long rifle case through the airport and such……
You can break it down where all but the barrel and main chassis only take up about a shoe box worth of space.
I have a Pelican Air 1615 with the dividers that I used for travel. I’ll be configuring it to hold the rifle disassembled. One less large item to drag around.
You can break it down where all but the barrel and main chassis only take up about a shoe box worth of space.
I have a Pelican Air 1615 with the dividers that I used for travel. I’ll be configuring it to hold the rifle disassembled. One less large item to drag around.
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What do you use to carry it around when you get to your destination? Or do you take it apart at the end of each day?
Just a rifle cover so I don’t get any weird looks leaving hotel.
I have specific firearm insurance that requires proof of forced entry. So my rifle stays in vehicle for most of the trip.
If someone steals it from hotel room, it likely won’t be forced entry and will have issues with the insurance. So, it stays out of sight in vehicle. If someone wants to steal the vehicle, or break in, I get brand new stuff.
Rifle gets assembled prior to range/dope day. And disassembled the last day.
Eastern. They are really easy to deal with.
Have you repeated this and checked if there is consistent zero shift?
No as I don’t care or need that.
I zero and dope all my rifles before I use them in a match. Regardless if they were taken down or not.
So do I, but I still check and verify zero shift from removal and replacement of the same barrel. Just in case I can't.
I assume if travel of something kept you from zero'ing and doping before a match after reassembly it would be good to know the consistent offset, if it was consistent so you could still shoot the match.
I can’t imagine a scenario in which I can’t zero and still shoot a match I travelled and was there a few days before.
An MD would literally have to deny zero’ing the morning before the match starts.
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If you keep track, how far is it usually off? I doubt very much and repeatable?
I need to do more testing with same barrel off and back on, but going between the 6.5CM and the 6GT I see a consistent 0.2 vertical, and 1.0 horizontal.
Just an update folks:
I received my replacement AX mag today. AT-X functions like buttah. Better than with the AW mags (not as raspy of stuttering).
I'm pretty stoked with the way it functions now, and wanted to let everyone that had a similar mag situation (rounds not sitting correctly in the mag per Scott's picture), that it indeed appears to have solved. Got another mag coming in from MHS on Tuesday, and will confirm that that one functions as well.
I received my replacement AX mag today. AT-X functions like buttah. Better than with the AW mags (not as raspy of stuttering).
I'm pretty stoked with the way it functions now, and wanted to let everyone that had a similar mag situation (rounds not sitting correctly in the mag per Scott's picture), that it indeed appears to have solved. Got another mag coming in from MHS on Tuesday, and will confirm that that one functions as well.
For those of us with a small stockpile does this look like something that could be fixable at the user level by adjusting mag lips etc ?
Also the picture uploader is broken.
I think it’s a “send it back” if it’s a problem sort of thing. If yours already work, I’d doubt you’ll have a problem.
So I wonder if there is a new style and old style AX mag? I got a new one a month ago and the rounds tip in it like the one that came in my ATx from the factory, or is there just enough variation in them that you buy a half dozen and the ones that don’t function you send back??
I appreciate this more than you know. We have limited time to devote to forums and have to be efficient with that time. Our main objective in participating is to help customers, so asking for clarification to vague posts isn't snark. I can't help if I don't understand the problem.
Scott
Scott, it seems that more Elite Sand rifles are shipping. Are DE rifles coming soon as well?
No. Post #2991 had a good photo of both the 0726 (AW/AT) and the 6677 (AX/AT-X) mags. The only difference in the 6677 is the front location lug visible in the photo.
-Scott
Don't bend the feed lips. That isn't the problem. The mag body needs to be adjusted wider at the top in line with the retention ribs. This takes some care to do it correctly but is not not beyond what a mechanically inclined owner could do.
-Scott
Okie, thanks. I have an AT now, thinking of going to the AX but can't see the cost/performance and thought the ATX would be a comprimise provided the folder is an option. I am debating the AX rear end upgrade on the AT though. I wish the AT/LE was available when I got the AT from MH.
Funny history, I started with a rem 700 in an AI chassis, Stacey Blankenship stopped at the Pct on his way to NAS Norf to install it. Slowly traded to the entire AE series and into the AT.
Will you be using rifle on barricades and bags?
If not, IMO, the bone stock AT with folder is the best practical/tactical field on the planet.
Thank you for the responsiveness and activity in these threads. !
My pleasure. I will add that the customers that I correspond with via PM, email, and telephone have been extremely gracious and great to deal with.
-Scott
OK, this was my ovservation but only did it twice. I was playing going back and forth between calibers.
So my brain questions, if you remove and replace the same barrel and it's always 0.1 and 0.2, wouldn't you eventually run out of travel up and left?
I was wondering the same thing. If your on and off with the same barrel was consistently offset like this, you would eventually run out of adjustment and something seriously mechanically wrong had taken place.OK, this was my ovservation but only did it twice. I was playing going back and forth between calibers.
So my brain questions, if you remove and replace the same barrel and it's always 0.1 and 0.2, wouldn't you eventually run out of travel up and left?
Maybe he meant to say this was the offset between two barrels and just worded it funny.
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Yes that’s what I meant. My bad, that’s going from my 308 to the 6.5x47
At the risk of sounding like a bit of a mouth breather, I'll inquire about this further. I promise that my reading comprehension is at least considered adequate in most places and I can recognize what's happening in those pictures.
Hypothetically, if my loaded mags look like the ones labelled "OK" and I'm still experiencing feeding issues in the neighborhood of ~50%, what can be done then? I can't send mags to AINA for tuning/repair (ITAR and all that BS) and I would really prefer to not order a stack of mags in hopes that two or three will work as they should.
Is the fix to try and open up the mag a bit at the retention ribs and hope for the best? To be clear, I have no problem trying that out, but if there's a preferred method to this before I go in and hamfist the mag apart, I'm all ears.
Please don't consider this as another post knocking the rifle, it isn't meant to be. Love this thing, just need it to feed correctly.
EDIT: This is not a AINA rifle, it's a UK built rifle, if that makes any difference.
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So I received my second mag from MHS. Yep, it's a mag issue. This one doesn't have as big a gap at the rear of the feed lips, but you can bump the rear of the case, and it pivots on the front of the feedlip, showing the rear lip isn't making contact with the body of the case. And it won't feed either. Looks like this one is getting sent back to MHS or AINA (not sure what the best action is TBH). I'll probably just reach out to AINA tomorrow, like I did for the one that came with the rifle.
All this being said; Yep, it confirms this is definitely a mag issue. But, one that AINA has taken action to address for future batches of mags. I suppose it'll just take a little while for this current batch's wonky ones to get filtered back to the mothership. The distributors (EO and MHS) IMHO may want to check their mags with 6.5CM ammo before sending more out, or check and send any suspect ones back to AINA for inspection/repair; it would certainly save a lot of people a lot of grief.
So I received my second mag from MHS. Yep, it's a mag issue. This one doesn't have as big a gap at the rear of the feed lips, but you can bump the rear of the case, and it pivots on the front of the feedlip, showing the rear lip isn't making contact with the body of the case. And it won't feed either. Looks like this one is getting sent back to MHS or AINA (not sure what the best action is TBH). I'll probably just reach out to AINA tomorrow, like I did for the one that came with the rifle.
All this being said; Yep, it confirms this is definitely a mag issue. But, one that AINA has taken action to address for future batches of mags. I suppose it'll just take a little while for this current batch's wonky ones to get filtered back to the mothership. The distributors (EO and MHS) IMHO may want to check their mags with 6.5CM ammo before sending more out, or check and send any suspect ones back to AINA for inspection/repair; it would certainly save a lot of people a lot of grief.
I can‘t comment on the AINA issues as I don’t have first hand knowledge. But I can confirm a number of UK rifles have been returned to AI to fix feed issues that are not magazine related. Suggest you talk to your RFD who can arrange the fix under warranty.
FYSA: I believe the AT-X can have the hinge installed for a right side folding stock as well.
If mainly prone, AX is very nice.
I personally prefer the AT as a do all rifle. It can still be shot off props or things like trees a bit better than the AX. At least for me anyway. The “hump” in the AX in front of magwell has just not worked as well for me in non bipod situations.
@Frank Green
Frank, how much clearance would you recommend?
I have a BB 1.25” blank. Gonna toss it in the lathe and just turn it to a smaller straight.
1.20, 1.15 or something smaller?
I think 1.250" might be too big and not allow enough clearance for barrel whip/vibration if the fore end is 1.3" wide. I think it would be o.k. but might be on the tight side.
1.200" you will be golden for sure. Plenty of clearance then.
So you could run a 1.250" breech diameter and either have a step down to 1.200" or some sort of a straight tapered barrel to get you down where you need to be.
Later, Frank
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