Not all of the magazines are affected. You obviously got a conforming product.
-Scott
Accuracy International AT-X
- Thread starter Peter Laurvick
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-Scott
Thanks Scott,
Is there a min-max measurement we can take at the top front of the magazine to see this before sending back?
Your explanation makes sense.
First of all, Thank you for all the explanation!
I didn’t get my rifle yet, when the issue is only related to the mag , I’m ok to wait for the fix. But if the problem was the rifle i would cancel my order.
Mags aren't easy to make.
Just ask ARC.
There's a lot of little nuances to mags, it's not easy making mags that are extremely reliable.
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It's the hardest part of any rifle system....
It certainly is.
Though I must say I'm pretty surprised that the geometry of the 6.5 Creedmoor versus .308 is causing the trouble for AI in 2022.
Its a folding piece of hardened sheet metal. Thats where the issue lies - you can fold stuff that was Rockwell 54 hard and it won't be the same shape as something that was Rockwell 54.2 hard.
The production standards that we've accepted for magazines certainly aren't conducive to making precise pieces of gear.
It's always surprising what .01" difference makes, between the case base diameter and case shoulder diameter. That extra .01" (.02" total) smaller case shoulder diameter of the .308 seems to make a very big difference. Never mind the shoulder angle. As my old high school math teacher used to harp; "Geometry matters!".
Small details certainly do matter.
I'm just surprised that this is something we are struggling with in 2022. The 6.5 Creedmoor is not a new cartridge, and AI is not new at making mags.
Especially in a rifle that is geared towards competition, which almost no one is using a .308 in.
Good to hear… hopefully the 4 I bought from Delta are good to go!
I think this is a good example of why the .308 (and so many other military cartridges) have the body taper that they do. It allows them to shrug off dimensional variation that is exposed by cartridges with modern body profiles.
I hope that's 4 mags and not 4 rifles, LOL!Good to hear… hopefully the 4 I bought from Delta are good to go!
Heard any more on a delivery date, or are they still stuck in the UK....?
Haha yep mags 2x AX and 2xAW. When I load them like the demos Scott showed above the AW’s look to have no dramas
. Nah I’ve stopped asking mate ….I’m sure the boys are sick of it, it’s out of their hands. Last Danny said was end of April for the black 
. I’m not fussed anymore 
| # | Front Edge (mm) | Front of lips (mm) | Rear of lips (mm) | Comment |
| 1 | 21.00 | 23.00 | 24.50 | AW unstamped |
| 2 | 20.94 | 23.10 | 24.45 | AW unstamped |
| 3 | 21.50 | 23.30 | 24.53 | AW unstamped, noticeably thicker metal used. |
| 4 | 20.97 | 22.64 | 24.32 | AW unstamped |
| 5 | 21.05 | 23.10 | 24.50 | AW unstamped, noticeably thicker metal used. |
| 6 | 20.94 | 23.13 | 24.52 | AW unstamped |
| 7 | 20.98 | 22.46 | 24.55 | AT-X supplied stamped |
| 8 | 20.96 | 23.19 | 24.62 | AX SA pale brown stamped |
| 9 | 20.94 | 23.13 | 24.63 | AX SA pale brown stamped |
Out of curiosity, I did some measuring of my 9 AW / AX magazines.
Measurements are EXTERNAL, from the top down (on a slight angle), with electronic calipers.
Mags 7, 8 & 9 all have the AX front lip.
My primary comp magazines are #1 with a base plate and #4 that both function flawlessly in the AT-X (as they did with the AT and AXSA).
The other mags, I just use from time to time without rhyme or reason... Not sure how often or when, if they end up in the bag, they get used. The pale brown AXSA mags live in the cabinet... They're brown and mess with my OCD on a red rifle.
This may or may not be useful for anyone having issues?
No. I am not providing a MIN/MAX dimension because of the difficulty of taking a reliable measurement.
This is real simple.
The obvious solution here if for AI to ship a go/no go gauge with the AT-X hinge...
I'll echo Scott's comment on the photo; that's exactly what my mag was doing.
AI has already shipped a replacement for the one I sent back, and it should be here early next week.
AI has already shipped a replacement for the one I sent back, and it should be here early next week.
Ah Scott, this ^^ appears to be your repeated general response in this thread (and the "official" thread) that seems intended to do nothing more than to shut down any negative comments, views, and even jokes.
I'm sure you are aware that this is a member discussion board area. And, while it may not be all that fruitful or valid, discussion in this, or really any other thread, is not limited to just those who own one of your products. Right?
There is an "Official Accuracy International AT-X" thread (whatever that is for), which is elsewhere, and perhaps in that thread there may be some different rules/guidance.
Some in these threads may not be your customer today but may well be your customer in the future...if you don't piss them off with too damn much snark.
Adios
Just remember, snark works both ways. This is a discussion thread, of no doubt. But I'd caution everyone to keep it civil, and on point.
I just spoke with MHS and they told me they aren't even sure if my early December order will be in this shipment of rifles, anyone else get any similar information or anymore information?
That's good news that there is at least a shipment of rifles coming in. EO had no eta last I spoke with them.
I ended up cancelling my preorder but my experience through the whole thing was this… whatever they tell you, you’ll get a totally different explanation here from the AI employees.
When their dealer gives you info and you think it should be accurate, you come here and get something totally different. So don’t hang your hat on anything that either side says. Just sit back and wait. I personally decided they weren’t gonna hold my money for something with an ever changing delivery date. I’ll grab one down the road when they are readily available.
I asked the same question a couple of days ago with no response. Thinking that means the answer is no, regardless of what we were told earlier about shipping time frame.
I would consider cancelling my preorder but that would leave me with $6,000 plus in items I purchased for use with the AT-X. Bridge, bag rider, weights, barrel, dies, brass, boreguide, scope.… Only the scope can be used on another gun, so I will sit tight and hope for the rifle and hinge to show up. I got ahead of myself with the prospect of getting my first AI. An expensive lesson I learned, look before you leap.
I did the same. I sold it all. Not reloading items as I have other uses for that. But I sold all the ATX accessories I had amassed after preordering they rifle (Bridge, weights, rider, etc). Quite the quick sell too.
But I totally get it. I still want one. I’ve just come to see how this industry operates and I don’t want to fork over money until I’ll get something in return in a timely fashion. I don’t have any ill will towards AI but there’s a reason rifles aren’t coming out and they chose not to share that information. Their product, their company, their choice.
Beating them up on here won’t make rifles appear faster and snarky comments from AI don’t make people feel any better about it either. Frankly, just delete the thread and start over. Lol
Hope your rifle comes in soon!!
@Baron23 and people being douche nozzles doesn’t help the situation either from a manufacturer’s point of view, especially when those people add nothing but their window licking comments.
People without a AI or AI order taking the piss with AI while having never personally delt with them isn't helpful. It's not surprising Scott is asking people to clarify an issue in cases where it's unclear if there is actually an issue.
Having a dealer where two staff are actively participating in the conversation is a massive benefit, it is in fact the reason I signed up to this forum.
Obviously there have been some delays and issues. Having Tom and Scott checking in and giving the occaisional update is helpful. The responses regarding magazine issues and the reassurance that these issues will be rectified is reassuring.
While I'm personally frustrated over the time frames involved (Still waiting on 1st order elite sand rifles to make their way into Australia) it's been very helpful to read how people have been fairing with their rifles and their modifications.
Having a dealer where two staff are actively participating in the conversation is a massive benefit, it is in fact the reason I signed up to this forum.
Obviously there have been some delays and issues. Having Tom and Scott checking in and giving the occaisional update is helpful. The responses regarding magazine issues and the reassurance that these issues will be rectified is reassuring.
While I'm personally frustrated over the time frames involved (Still waiting on 1st order elite sand rifles to make their way into Australia) it's been very helpful to read how people have been fairing with their rifles and their modifications.
Awesome. Just got two new AX and three new AW mags for mine.
Waiting to test them all tomorrow before I call AI and get the one I have and anymore that don’t work replaced or fixed.
Also, keep in mind from the other side.
It may not be actual smart ass replies as much as it’s a copy/paste reply that everyone gets so they don’t miss any potential issues.
Everyone wants things both ways. They want fast and efficient ordering and delivery at semi-reasonable prices, but they also want personalized responses that take someone 10 minutes each.
A prime example is people beating up area419 when they said their CS people have several copy/paste responses.
Well, you have to have those, otherwise you have to hire two or three more employees making $40k+ a year. Then the cost to consumer goes up accordingly.
So, I’d urge people to keep that in mind as I promise as the years move on, you’ll start seeing more and more canned copy/paste responses from manufacturers. You can’t have it all.
It may not be actual smart ass replies as much as it’s a copy/paste reply that everyone gets so they don’t miss any potential issues.
Everyone wants things both ways. They want fast and efficient ordering and delivery at semi-reasonable prices, but they also want personalized responses that take someone 10 minutes each.
A prime example is people beating up area419 when they said their CS people have several copy/paste responses.
Well, you have to have those, otherwise you have to hire two or three more employees making $40k+ a year. Then the cost to consumer goes up accordingly.
So, I’d urge people to keep that in mind as I promise as the years move on, you’ll start seeing more and more canned copy/paste responses from manufacturers. You can’t have it all.
EO has received a few 2nd batch rifles... Elite Sand I believe.
Weird question someone here might be able to answer now that hinges are dropping.
On the hinge side that connects to the stock (not the hinge side that connects to the chassis/action side), is the stock’s stem the same as the current AX stock stems? As in could you put the hinge on the ATX and then put an AX stock on the hinge?
So ATX rifle/chassis -> ATX hinge -> AX stock?
Timo is in the UK, so availability will probably be different in your region.
Got two new AX mags from SAP and they work perfectly.
I’ll get the one that came with the rifle back to AI and get that worked out.
I’ll get the one that came with the rifle back to AI and get that worked out.
Now I just need an elite sand AXSR chassis to pop up somewhere so I can get that butt….
That's great! I just got my hinge too. Shame it was the same day the rifle went back to AI to fix the feed issue.
For anyone interested, my two new AX mags feed 6gt perfectly with the rounds seated all the way to the rear.
In other actions that I’ve used AW (not AX) mags, I’ve always had to have the rounds pushed forward similar to dasher rounds with a spacer.
In other actions that I’ve used AW (not AX) mags, I’ve always had to have the rounds pushed forward similar to dasher rounds with a spacer.
Not actually the worst idea ever - you swap the ass end and then sell the remainders for decent price. Probably break even.Who in their right bud would but an AXSR chassis just for the stock?!
