Accuracy International AT-X
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Pretty sure the atx comes with a “comp” trigger standard. I think CG makes the atx trigger……
How was your comp trigger adjusted?The early ones require more work to take apart to access something simple like the trigger. Makes no sense. These are things that should’ve all been checked with shooters before releasemakes me more inclined to use my AI AO instead.
I was all set to buy an AT-X but not sure I'm too excited about the comp trigger, I want to buy an AI partly because of reliabilty and having to pay extra to "down grade" the trigger makes me more inclinded to go AT+AO route.
I’m sure there are failure cases, just like every other trigger that exists. I’ve personally had a Diamond, 2 BnA, and a Jewell fail… not to mention coutless others I’ve “seen.”
The point is that the comp trigger is made out to be some awful, plague-ridden trigger and it’s simply not the case.
The point is that the comp trigger is made out to be some awful, plague-ridden trigger and it’s simply not the case.
I'm a nobody with zero agenda. Just laying out my experience to this point. Emails ignored and a phone call that went nowhere. Something tells me that Trigger Tech like any other company that gave a shit about their image would have a new trigger in the mail the next day. AI seems to be full of themselves. That's just my simple opinion and you can flame away. I don't give a fuck.
There's a fine line between what you are saying and what is well documented. AFAIK this trigger design has been causing problems for AI since .mil trials back in 2018-19. I would be glad to be corrected on this.
I’ve personally seen 8 comp triggers go down in the last 2ish years. 5 were AT-X’s, one was an AX retrofitted with a comp trigger, one was an AT retrofitted with a comp trigger, one was an AXSR, which from the way it adjusts and from what I can see on the outside is a slightly larger comp trigger.
All were failures due to dust/dirt, all were in factory, un-fucked-with configuration when they died, round counts between 100-1000, so not exactly old either.
They all presented themselves with the same symptom(s) of the sear not presenting itself high enough to catch the firing pin & getting stuck in the “fired” position, or having a dead trigger on a cocked bolt.
I haven’t had trouble with the “comp-ish” trigger in my AXSR, and I’m not going to say that those failures are the rule instead of the exception, but the failure rate of AI/XTSP comp triggers is incredibly high compared to anything else I’ve seen on the market, 700 pattern or otherwise.
The same trend has been apparent in the XTSP 700 pattern triggers, so it’s not exactly a surprise this is happening.
All were failures due to dust/dirt, all were in factory, un-fucked-with configuration when they died, round counts between 100-1000, so not exactly old either.
They all presented themselves with the same symptom(s) of the sear not presenting itself high enough to catch the firing pin & getting stuck in the “fired” position, or having a dead trigger on a cocked bolt.
I haven’t had trouble with the “comp-ish” trigger in my AXSR, and I’m not going to say that those failures are the rule instead of the exception, but the failure rate of AI/XTSP comp triggers is incredibly high compared to anything else I’ve seen on the market, 700 pattern or otherwise.
The same trend has been apparent in the XTSP 700 pattern triggers, so it’s not exactly a surprise this is happening.
My Jewel trigger went through 6 barrels, and 7 figure dry fires, it has never let me down, simple lighter fluid flush is all I have ever done to it. Now hearing of factory installed not adjusted in anyway ATX triggers going down leads me to think some sort of maintenance maybe required, my ATX has 200 rounds down it and maybe 1500 dry fires, has anyone tried lighter fluid(Naptha) flush or anything else as a preventative?
AI cannot fail you, you can only fail them
Piss poor QC prior to leaving the factory and WTF customer service is not the same as preventative maintenance.
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What height Spuhr mount is that? I’m wondering if my ATACC will clear the full length forend bridge in my 1.18” tall Spuhr.
Hmmmm thanks! Think you have at least a 3/8” gap between the scope and the bridge? I may be finding out how good Mile High’s return policy is or buying a new Spuhr
I'll measure when I get home tomorrow. I'd think they'd exchange it with no issue but idk truthfully.Hmmmm thanks! Think you have at least a 3/8” gap between the scope and the bridge? I may be finding out how good Mile High’s return policy is or buying a new Spuhr
Hmmmm thanks! Think you have at least a 3/8” gap between the scope and the bridge? I may be finding out how good Mile High’s return policy is or buying a new Spuhr
Is it NF 56mm? If so 1.18 won't clear it.....barley will clear a 50mm at 1.35
May be late to the party, but I sent mine in because it felt like shit on the second stage. A bunch of creep before it broke. I think it took a couple weeks. But my buddy let me borrow his tuned comp trigger in the mean time since he wasn’t using it.
Ok since no one replied about actual preventive maintenance on their trigger. I‘ll ask again, has anyone tried to clean there ATX trigger with lighter fluid, or anything else, and what generation is your rifle?
I’ve never cleaned it, gen 1 ATX with a new trigger from the end of last year. I was going to douse it in lighter fluid, but it’s such a pain in the ass to get to, I haven’t done it yet
I’ve got a Gen 1 ATX, the trigger has never been cleaned and it had all kinds of sand/mud in it a couple weeks ago. Took it off and rinsed it out with water and blew air through it. Put a dab of grease on the sear and put it back on.
Never had an issue with mine
Never had an issue with mine
Just chasing experience from anyone who has an AI and a Badger, could you tell me if the AI Action will drop into a Badger inlet? Reason for this is that McMillan don’t have an AI inlet but do inlet for Badger. Action screws will be irrelevant as it will be glued in 
If it were me, I'd start a thread in the Bolt Action Rifles subforum with a title something like "Will an AI action work in a Badger Inlet?". Your question will get much more exposure, and more answers, if done that way.Just chasing experience from anyone who has an AI and a Badger, could you tell me if the AI Action will drop into a Badger inlet? Reason for this is that McMillan don’t have an AI inlet but do inlet for Badger. Action screws will be irrelevant as it will be glued in
I highly doubt it. From what I recall there’s been a couple threads of people asking to drop an AI action in a manners etc. And comparing it to the M2013 but the dimensions were different. I could be wrong tho.Just chasing experience from anyone who has an AI and a Badger, could you tell me if the AI Action will drop into a Badger inlet? Reason for this is that McMillan don’t have an AI inlet but do inlet for Badger. Action screws will be irrelevant as it will be glued in
When saying that, ya gotta post a pic of her or it doesn't count. Ask @Lowlight even he'll tell ya that.
I thought all of the AI comp triggers were outsourced. I have an original comp trigger that I don't use.
Someone told me that the original is different than what is shipping today on the AT-X and AXSR. Is that true? If yes, can anyone tell me what changed?
there was an old AI Comp trigger I think just had a moveable shoe vs the CG Jackson comp trigger which is the adjustable one that people talk about
That is most likely what they mean, the new one is outsourced the old I believe was just a very slightly modified original
That is most likely what they mean, the new one is outsourced the old I believe was just a very slightly modified original
They have been working the trigger question, I know Scott has been very active addressing it
$489 upgrade, it’s going to be called the field comp trigger.
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"Someone told me . . . . . "
Here is a brief history of the AI/XTSP Competition Trigger. There is a persistent belief that AI Comp triggers are unreliable, and this prompted me this morning to review our RGA (return goods authorization) Log. We track 100% of AI products that are returned for service or repair for all reasons. I will include the RGA data in the discussion below.
2017
- AINA collaborated with XTSP to develop a competition trigger for those owners who felt they could not be competitive with the factory trigger. The Competition Trigger was to be a replacement for the AI factory trigger in all models except the AE which featured a different housing design.
2018
- The first article sample of the Competition trigger is built and started undergoing testing. (Note the fixed blade shoe)
- Comp triggers started shipping to our distributors in mid-2018. The production comp trigger featured the AI adjustable trigger shoe.
- These triggers were set to about 1.25 lbs pull weight and all adjustments were accessible to the user.
- RGA entries in 2018 for returned comp trigger = 4 total and 1 for an AXMC trigger. In all cases the "Corrective Action" notes indicate these tirggers were grossly out of adjustment by the end user.
2019
- RGA entries for comp triggers = 7 total. Of the 7, one was never sent in for service. The remaining 6 include notes for excessive dirt, oil, debris including a small rock, and gross incorrect user adjustments.
- RGA entries for AI triggers = 5 total with one of these being a worn safety cam that was replaced, the remainder were user adjusted very poorly.
2020
- By the end of 2020 we had shipped hundreds of comp triggers, and we would naturally expect an increase in service contacts.
- RGA entries for comp triggers = 10 total. Of these 10, one was sent back to XTSP for evaluation. One customer was complaining about material blocking the sear adjustments (we had made the decision to restrict access to these adjustments after earlier experience with returned triggers), and the remainder were extremely dirty and poorly adjusted by the users.
- Two AI triggers came back in 2020 with extreme dirt and poor user adjustments.
2021
- Things calmed down a lot with the application of compound to restrict access to the sear adjustments.
- RGA entries for comp triggers = 2 total. One was readjusted to correct specifications, and one returned to XTSP for evaluation.
- RGA entries for AXSR triggers = 2 total. On had a lose trigger shoe causing restriction of motion on the trigger sweep. The other was user adjusted to the point of inoperability.
2022
- RGA entries for comp triggers = 4 total. All four of these triggers were out of AT-X, which were shipping in large quantities in 2022 and they were all returned to XTSP for evaluation for reasons I will discuss below.
- In 2022 we had one AX ELR come back for a trigger problem and we replaced the trigger in that rifle (AI trigger), and one AI trigger that turned out the rifle was burned up in a fire. For some reason the owner though we should warranty that trigger!
** I got a trigger back from a AT-X rifle that was purchased by Chris Way and came back by way of MHSA. This did not end up in the RGA log as it had been modified (not by Chris) such that it could no longer be repaired to original specification.
2023
- RGA entries for comp triggers = 8 total so far. One of the eight entries was not returned by the owner. Four are noted to be extremely dirty and oily. These were cleaned and checked. Three were returned to XTSP for evaluation. In these cases the customer is provided a new trigger and XTSP corrects or replaces the trigger to AINA.
What we have learned on the Comp Trigger Journey:
I mentioned above that we made the decision to apply a compound to block access to the sear adjustment screws. This doesn't mean that a determined owner can't eventually defeat it, but we will absolutely know if this happens.
COVID, Supply Chain and Labor Challenges:
With the launch of the AT-X with the comp trigger as standard equipment, we saw an uptick in issues with the comp triggers. This prompted an investigation that started with Chris Way's rifle. The following issues were identified and corrective measures were implemented.
- Upper sear reset spring had been substitued for a spring with a different surface coating. This was due to the inability of the supplier to provide the original specification spring during the COVID madness.
- Reset force (related to the above spring) was deemed to marginal and the reset spring from the AXSR trigger was substituted. The AXSR trigger is a variant of the comp trigger and has a higher force reset spring. The AXSR also has a higher force firing pin spring (hold this thought). The AXSR reset spring has a wire diameter of .024" while the original AT-X/Comp reset spring as a wire diameter of .020".
- Surfaces finishes on the sear engagement surfaces were not sufficiently smooth and resulted in abnormally high friction during the reset stage of operation.
- Machined surfaces on the housing were not of the same quality as the early comp triggers. This did not degrade the performance of the trigger, but it was not comparable to the early housings.
- During SAAMI standard testing at ADG in 2019, it was recommended to add a tip radius to the upper sear lever. This feature was never changed.
- Sear surfaces were lapped with 1000 grit plates which dramatically improved the finish and friction.
- A radius was added to the tip of the upper sear similar to that recommended by ADG. This further reduced friction and aided reset reliability.
- Parts exhibiting poor machining were lapped to remove burrs and improve surface finishes.
- Reset springs were replaced with higher force springs.
To recap, in the past five years we have shipped either as replacements or as standard equipment in the AT-X several thousand comp triggers.
Including Chris Way's trigger we have had 38 comp triggers returned for all reasons. This represents less than 1% of production, but we want that percentage reduced as close to zero as possible.
In the same time period we have had 10 AI triggers returned, and 3 AXSR triggers for all reasons.
I get out with Team AI and shoot a fair number of matches every year, and I would venture to say that the reliability of the AI/XTSP comp trigger is better than that of any of the popular aftermarket triggers for the Rem/clone actions. When you buy an AI you also benefit from support from the manufacturer, and I don't think any company stands behind it's products like we do.
There are currently ZERO triggers at AINA awaiting service.
-Scott
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And what is your source for this information?$489 upgrade, it’s going to be called the field comp trigger.
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Ty sir. As much as I love being grumpy, hard data is gold.
I love my AT-X but sometimes the gossip gets to us
Hey Scott I appreciate your taking the time to post all this info. And the transparency with return data, favorable or not, is something we never really see from manufacturers so props to that.
As an honest question, those RGA numbers, do they include triggers that were sent directly to XTSP or just those sent to you guys? Thanks!
PS any chance TriggerTech is working on an AI trigger?
Those are items returned to AINA. There is only one very recent instance of a trigger going from the customer to XTSP and that is also logged in our RGA data. We approved this process to save time as the owner had a match coming up.
I don't know anything about Trigger Tech except a few I have shot in other people's guns. I don't get it, frankly.
I really thank you for this comprehensive recap. The history provided is very helpful.
I had no idea that this trigger could not be installed on the AT rifle. I only tried it on my AXMC. I shoot both rifles regularly and I reverted the MC back to the OEM trigger as it was causing me some consistency issues when shooting the AT since it still used the OEM trigger.
The comp trigger will fit in the AT, but not the AE.
I hear what you are saying about going between the AI trigger and comp trigger. I often shoot the AI trigger at ~ 4 lbs pull weight for long stretches, and have no difficulty shooting tight groups. Moving to a light pull trigger takes a period of adjustment.
I must have misread your comments..thought it said AT.
Totally agree with your comment. If I bought another comp trigger so I could use one on each rifle, it wouldn't be a problem. To tell you the truth though, I find the OEM trigger to be almost perfect. It is really a great design.
