sir I was meming. plan on shooting mainly 6.5 and .308 but definitely want to shoot .338 eventually.
It’s hard to think about what you want to do with a tool before even knowing what you want to do with the tool.
If you want to shoot PRS/NRL style, then the ATX is the best tool in the AI product line.
If you want to strictly shoot prone or tripod long range to extreme long range, then the AXSR is a good tool considering you can use a magnum or lapua bolt face. Of course you can also shoot 308 based cartridges, but I wouldn’t make that a primary motivator.
I found that when I tried to make one rifle the “do it all rifle” I was more disappointed than having a dedicated rifle for the application I want to use it for.
Makes sense ofc. I'd say competition is a "maybe i'd dable" thing, not a primary motivator.
Most important to me is it is great for long range plinking (seems excellent at this) and decent enough to be workable for positional shooting for messing around hunting etc. Seems like AXSR is great at this combo?
If I dabbled with it in competition and liked comp, i'm sure id just buy a competition specific setup eventually anyways.
1. Doesn't really matter small or large. Both my AIs have large and I don't pierce primers. If you do, the firing pin protrusion is adjustable. I had to do it on my AW. Simple.
2. You have to remember that the AXSR was originally designed to do. It will not be great at everything. No one shoots it from the standing position. Maybe for the shits and giggles. The rifle is definitely too heavy for that.
3. AI parts are pretty easy to come by.
4. Have to look around. They pop up on the hide. Or contact Montic on the hide. I think he has a list for people who are waiting on them.
If he read this entire thread I’m sure he’s seen enough pics to help his case
Just wondering how far he plans to shoot. There’s a big difference in how the AT or ATX handles compared to the AXMC or AXSR
My AXMC although nice had a much more blockier type feel then my AT.
If he plans to shoot out to 1000-1200 yards then my suggestion would be an AT or ATX in 6.5
Of course if he needs the 338 then AXSR is the way to go
Mile high or @MOUNTIC have plenty of parts. Or watch the px here. I’d get SFP for the 6.5 bolt for sure. Just to avoid potential problems with primer flow
1k-1mile max. have ranges near me for both that I'm going to get a membership for.
Also - i've saved like 50 pics from this thread as inspiration, AT with thumbhole is preety beautiful rifle. So is AXSR with 18.5 proof
So I think they are equally "cool" since that is preety important. I have a Helios QD Ti supressor I plan to run with .308 and 6.5 creed already. So I figure with the TI supressor direct thread (weighs about as much as a muzzle break or less), and a proof 18.5, the AXSR would be relatively maneuverable for when i'm shooting short action cartridges?
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@M8541Reaper shoots AXSR a lot. He’d be a good one to chime in for you1k-1mile max. have ranges near me for both that I'm going to get a membership for.
Also - i've saved like 50 pics from this thread as inspiration, AT with thumbhole is preety beautiful rifle. So is AXSR with 18.5 proof
If you plan to shoot to a mile and prs comps are only a maybe thing then get the AXSR. The calibers are more suited for a mile. Not that a 6.5/260 or 6.5 PRC can’t do it. But the 7/30/338 cals do it better
You can always make an AXSR a 6.5. You can’t make an AT a 338 LM so there’s that
The AXSA and AXMC/AXSR are just a taller/blockier design then a AT or ATX. At least from my experience. Which just makes them harder to maneuver or shoot from different positions
Again not that it can’t be done. But there’s a noticeable difference from my AT to what my AXMC was. My ATX should be closer to my AT for feel. So far just from dry firing and what not it seems much closer
Just for reference I run my AT and ATX cheek risers in their lowest positions. The ATX has the same optic and spuhr mount as the AXMC had. With the MC and the NF 7-35 my cheek rest was in the highest position. Even with that I had to have the wiebad cheek pad on it to get to the correct height. Had I kept the gun I’d have added something under it to get even higher.
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Have you shot 6.5 CM with the small rifle primers? I ask because I talked to Mile High and they gave me the directions to measure the protrusion and it seemed fine. However, I still pierce 6.5 CM cartridges with small rifle primers.
Whether I measured it correctly is another thing. Do you have any directions you can provide for measurement and adjustment?
I keep mine simple and both my AW and MC are Large Rifle. I did have piercing primer issues when I had my .243 barrel on the AW. There was a thread about it on the hide and turns out you can adjust the AI firing pins a half turn or so. I had a friend do mine and it stopped that issue. Way back in the day people were having issues piercing primers on their 260s and I think the 6.5x47s. I am almost positive that this is in the AI armorers course they use to teach. Probably 10 or so years ago. Going from memory, on the bottom of the bolt here are 2 set screws back to back and they would have to be removed, then you can turn the firing pin.
Starbridge just and idea, my vote for the best value AI is an original AX308. Shop around and they can be had for 3k shipped. For that money they are fantastic rifles. I’ve even seen AEs sell for more than AX308s. AX308 have the same action as the legendary AW.
They are a gun that Will for sure go up in value in the next 10 years right now they are probably at the lowest they will ever sell for. I’m partial to a thumbhole AI but the forened on the AX will allow you to have more options for things like weights and bipods right from the get go. You’ll be able to run NV setups too. You will miss out on being able to use magnums calibers but with the saved money it will make the glass feel like less of a hit.
They are a gun that Will for sure go up in value in the next 10 years right now they are probably at the lowest they will ever sell for. I’m partial to a thumbhole AI but the forened on the AX will allow you to have more options for things like weights and bipods right from the get go. You’ll be able to run NV setups too. You will miss out on being able to use magnums calibers but with the saved money it will make the glass feel like less of a hit.
Why, just why did i have to see this right before i go to bed. No sleep for me tonight
For now i gave up on an AWM and ordered a TRG 42 in 300winmag. Guess i will have to wait a fair bit until one pops up in germany...
Agreed. Personally unless I had the tools to change the barrel on early AX I’d get one with the quickloc which to my knowledge those don’t have. And yes I’ve seen the video of the barrel change with a crescent wrench and hammer so I know it can be done
Add the tool cost in there and your buying several models of AI with quickloc on them
If a person plans to stick with 308 it really isn’t a big deal I suppose. Many won’t shoot a 308 barrel out in their life
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Did a few mods. Just need a barrel now
Finished up the Vudoo 360 as well. Going to run some ARA comps with this. Bought for LR 22 shooting and not comps. But have some local stuff for .22 so may give it an whirl
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AXSR is a great long range shooter. It's workable (but not good) for positional shooting. The hump in front of the mag well pushes the center of gravity high when shooting off a bag and running the bolt will rock the rifle wide to side. But it can work, just not easy to keep the rifle somewhat on target when running the bolt. Also for PRS positional style shooting I think the 6BR and various wildcats are the best cartridges and those don't feed in an AXSR. 6.5 CM or 6CM are also workable here, just not ideal. Hunting... Not my area but no AI rifle is light so don't plan on hiking around with them. If your driving up to a spot and unloading there that's ideal.
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I left the AI in the picture just for you cum dumpster
Don’t you judge me
I can’t post that but @Krob95 can post pics of AI’s he used to own that have been parted out for probably pennys on the dollar in exchange for some prs nonsense
News flash for you. Putting an AI chassis on a Vudoo doesn’t make it an AI either. Maybe you should start the official “AI Chassis Thread” people put those on like savages and shit. Should be an awesome thread…..
If you’re shooting off a bag wouldn’t you want to rest the rifle near the tip of the handguard for the most stability not the arca rail on the AXSR? Getting the vertical pivot point further away from the shooter will increase stability.
Brah do you even shoot
See this AWM here , best stability is just forward of Mag well , and having the gun balance there
Maybe it's a semantics thing but I'm trying to say shooting the AXSR like this is noticable less stable than my AT-X or any other PRS oriented chassis.
Umm the AWM must be behind this I assume
Nice AWM 
I was referring to prone shooting. If you’re shooting off a fence post or doing PRS stuff you do what you gotta do. You don’t want your gun balanced in the middle ideally for max stability you would not mount your bipod there right? That’s all I’m commenting on, but I agree the AXSR design is challenged that hump is more there for structural rigidity as a solid mount for hand guard than a design point. Would prefer without it too.
I was referring to prone shooting. If you’re shooting off a fence post or doing PRS stuff you do what you gotta do. You don’t want your gun balanced in the middle ideally for max stability you would not mount your bipod there right? That’s all I’m commenting on, but I agree the AXSR design is challenged that hump is more there for structural rigidity as a solid mount for hand guard than a design point. Would prefer without it too.
No.Nice AWM
I was referring to prone shooting. If you’re shooting off a fence post or doing PRS stuff you do what you gotta do. You don’t want your gun balanced in the middle ideally for max stability you would not mount your bipod there right? That’s all I’m commenting on, but I agree the AXSR design is challenged that hump is more there for structural rigidity as a solid mount for hand guard than a design point. Would prefer without it too.
Incorrect
It’s not but ok. Study the development of the EDM Windrunner which I had and also the Cheytac M200 which I had. The Windrunner had the bipod in the midpoint of the gun and that was the main complaint and the thing that held it back. Cheytac moved the bipod over a foot forward and it changed the stability night and day. I had an EDM with both and would used both bipods. Again changed the gun. Same exact physics apply to using a bag prone shooting with rear support.
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@hafejd301k-1mile max. have ranges near me for both that I'm going to get a membership for.
Also - i've saved like 50 pics from this thread as inspiration, AT with thumbhole is preety beautiful rifle. So is AXSR with 18.5 proof
Starbridge,
The AXSR is easily moveable with a 26” steel AI 6.5CM barrel (and hellfire match brake) so an 18” CF with a can will be no issue unless you have a physical impairment. My PRS barrel is a 24” 308 with a hellfire match, and it’s very easy to move around.
I pretty much only run short action rounds in my AXSR with the only magnum (so far) being 300PRC. I have yet to get enough free time to scout areas in southern AZ where I can really get to play with the PRC so my AI pretty much lives in 65CM or 308. …and why I haven’t dropped the cash on a 300NM barrel.
The long action vs short action throw isn’t an issue and isn’t noticeable after the first range session. I know you didn’t ask about that but figured I’d chime in with it.
I’d say get the AXSR if funds aren’t an issue, especially if you’re going to have access to a range with that capability. Very easy to maneuver and it just shoots really damn well. Me not so much
Oh and the balance of the rifle is just perfect without the addition of weights and whatnot.
Picked up my first AI today. Threw this spare NF on it just to play with it. Time to throw all the other bolt guns in the trash.
Just got done installing the long-awaited AO thumbrest on my AT and man, this has been what is missing.
Now to get a 6.5 Creed barrel for it alongside my 20” 3-0-hate and I’m golden
Until I get another AI
And AI, if your listening, MAKE A DAMN 223 RIFLE
Now to get a 6.5 Creed barrel for it alongside my 20” 3-0-hate and I’m golden
Until I get another AI
And AI, if your listening, MAKE A DAMN 223 RIFLE
I'm half tempted to either glue or drill a hole in my skins to do a thumbrest on the fixed AT.
#jellyandnotashamed
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This is only correct if you are able to get solid support at the rear of the rifle. I.E. you're able to use a rear bag, a tripod leg or plate in rear.....etc etc.
When you are able to support the rear properly, then yes, you want the front support as far forward as possible.
In scenarios where you aren't able or allowed to support the rear mechanically, then you want to rifle to balance in such a way that you take yourself out of the equation as much as possible. As humans are the weak link. When we have a rear back or some other mechanical support that removes us from the equation enough to support the rifle as far forward as possible. When we do not have mechanical support, you want the center of gravity to be in the center of the bag you're resting the rifle on.
There are exceptions like shooting off ropes and such, where you would put the rifle on the rope as far forward as possible even if if you don't have mechanical support in the rear. But those are exceptions and not the norm.
You example of the bipod in the middle is valid because they have mechanical support in the rear.
@hafejd30
Starbridge,
The AXSR is easily moveable with a 26” steel AI 6.5CM barrel (and hellfire match brake) so an 18” CF with a can will be no issue unless you have a physical impairment. My PRS barrel is a 24” 308 with a hellfire match, and it’s very easy to move around.
I pretty much only run short action rounds in my AXSR with the only magnum (so far) being 300PRC. I have yet to get enough free time to scout areas in southern AZ where I can really get to play with the PRC so my AI pretty much lives in 65CM or 308. …and why I haven’t dropped the cash on a 300NM barrel.
The long action vs short action throw isn’t an issue and isn’t noticeable after the first range session. I know you didn’t ask about that but figured I’d chime in with it.
I’d say get the AXSR if funds aren’t an issue, especially if you’re going to have access to a range with that capability. Very easy to maneuver and it just shoots really damn well. Me not so much
Oh and the balance of the rifle is just perfect without the addition of weights and whatnot.
Thanks ! You the best. Going to get an AXSR.
My AXSR is my only precision rifle, and it is by definition a "do all rifle." Not the best at any one thing, but capable of a lot. Use it for hunting, matches and long range (out to a mile). My 18.5" .308 is by far the most used and most enjoyable, and my 300 NM gets shot once in a while but not as much as Id like to.
The long action and "heavier" bolt lift is not the best for matches, but its not a variable that is going to save time during a stage, or cause a miss, for me at least. A cleaner action and bolt lift may save 5-8 tenths of a second per manipulation, but in the grand scheme, and for the vast majority of us, 3-5 seconds slower in a 10-12 round stage, really going to be the determination of a tie-breaker? Maybe Im speaking for myself, maybe not.
Irrrrrregardless... get the AXSR, youll be happy with it despite some of its negligible tradeoffs.
I’ll have a brand new AT folding stock & 24” 6.5 Creed barrel back in my hands soon if anyone is sitting on an AI action and wants to build it out. You’ll need to source action screws/washers, folding hinge, mag catch/pin/spring. These parts can be hard to source but not impossible, Mile High can get ahold of some of them, the action screws seem to be the needle in the haystack.
