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I put a little drop of crazy glue on the backside of those bastards so they stop falling out
Lads - what velocities are we seeing in a 20” 308 with M118LR?
Thinking of giving my factory 26” barrel a haircut.
Thinking of giving my factory 26” barrel a haircut.
My TacOps has a 21" Kreiger and I get about 2525 fps with M118LR as measured by the Xero
So I bought this ammo thinking it said ELD-M and didn't even notice the picture of the deer, LOL. But what a surprise. The 130 Bergers shot well too.
My clone m118lr is getting 2560 out of my 19.75"
Edit: for comparison. My 25" m40a5 gets 2692.
Recipe I follow loaded to 2.82" coal
I’m getting 2700 on the nose with the factory 26” tactical braked barrel. Measured with the Xero.
I think I’ll run the numbers, but can already see the mobility gain will outweigh the velocity Loss with a PRS 1 MOD suppressor brake.
Where did you find a mountain any where near Ames ?
One more data point. 16" gas gun spits the same ammo at 2505.
Not a huge loss of fps from 16 to 20 if mobility is your goal.
Do you have access to M118LR?
Hopefully my AT will be leaving the UK soon, it's coming with a 16" 308 barrel.
Im keen to try something like M118LR, but couldn't find a source for it.
I’m not running it at points matches this year. I’ll run it at club though
You would with a recoilxbrake on the end.... @Vivacious Stallion preach the gospel on this heathen. Careful tho... We might trigger @Smooth_87
I’m going to contact AAC tomorrow and get the thread pitch for their Ranger 7. That way I can confirm if he makes one with that pitch. (I hit him up on IG after talking to you and he wasn’t sure of the R7’s thread).
But yea, if so then yes
I put that can on my ATX chassis rig the other day and it was comically front heavy. I have a Tbac Magnus on its way that I plan on using at some local and silencer required 2 day matches this year.
I'll definitely be running that Hybrid silencer setup when I make it out to one of the ELR steel matches at Raton this season.
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What caliber are you running in ELR and how does the hybrid perform in said caliber? I presume by Hybrid you mean the SiCo hybrid.
Years of being surrounded by corn traumatized me; driving me to the west where I can ski and provide limited benefit to society.Where did you find a mountain any where near Ames ?
The clones had a great season this year (for us)!
I am definitely not experienced in the ELR match arena (only one local match so far), I shoot PRS matches and some 2 gun. I am shooting 300 PRC generally the 225 eldm at 2950 fps, but have also tried the 230 A tips. I am fairly close to Raton, so I am hoping to shoot a serious match this year if I can convince one of my buddies to be my spotter.
That SiCo Hybrid was my first can and I enjoy using it on gas guns. With the standard end cap I found it to be fairly unpleasant on the 300 prc barrel. The new addition of that RecoilX brake has breathed some new life into that can for me and improved its performance at least with that cartridge.
Just an FYI, true m118lr seems to shoot right at 2550 out of almost anything in temperate weather.
I'm getting about the same (2550FPS) from Federal GMM SMK 175gr in the same weather.
Random question…
Is the 223 aftermarket conversion still a thing or ever become an officially announced thing?
Was zoned out staring at homeless people arguing in Phoenix while at a red light and starting thinking about buying the kid an ATX.
Pic for funsies.
Is the 223 aftermarket conversion still a thing or ever become an officially announced thing?
Was zoned out staring at homeless people arguing in Phoenix while at a red light and starting thinking about buying the kid an ATX.
Pic for funsies.
I remember the guys making them aftermarket here talking about how it was to much of a pain to make them run right and they didn’t plan on continuing the process. They do however pop up from time to time in the px
Bugholes had the last of the bolt heads iirc. They said they were going to use them up and discontinue doing the conversion since it was a pita to get them to run right.
Regarding the 223 conversions, a few months back Greg at bugholes said once the last couple 223 bolts he had on the shelf were gone he was likely done with them, they required too much fiddling to make and get to run well. He only had a couple left at that point when he posted the info.
Short magnum conversions are still good to go as they run well and it's far less work on his end. Black Canyon customs does those too.
I had a 223 conversion for about a year and while I liked it, it didn't run nearly as smoothly as an R700 clone (especially in 223AI) so I sold it. Sometimes I regret it, sometimes I don't. At this point I doubt AI will ever come out with an "official" 223 kit, between the long breech ring because of the 2 rows of bolt lugs and the reduced diameter of the bolt head/face compared to the bolt body leads to some challenges getting a 223 diameter case to feed 100% reliably in the AI action, not to mention getting the AI bolt to strip a 223 round from a single stack 223 AICS magazine pretty much requires the feed lips to rub the bolt body. Did the conversion work? Absolutely. Was it as reliable or as smooth as a R700 clone? Not in my experience, but part of that is because I had mine chambered in 223AI and that 40 degree shoulder wasn't as forgiving with the somewhat unfavorable feeding angle, regular 223 probably would have ran much better (Enrique suggested I stick with regular 223 because he said it feeds much more smoothly in the conversion, but I didn't listen because 223AI looks cooler, lol.)
The other thing that looked dicey in the long run is the sako style extractor that was modified to fit the 223 conversion bolt had very minimal engagement of the exactor pivot pin into the bolt head because any longer and it would rub the firing pin because of the design of the stock AI firing pin. If you ever had a stuck case I doubt the extractor would survive the beating. The fix would require modifying the firing pin and bolt head to allow for a longer pivot pin on the extractor, but then you'd need a modified firing pin and separate bolt shroud assembly dedicated to only the 223 bolt.
Still a neat conversion though.
Short magnum conversions are still good to go as they run well and it's far less work on his end. Black Canyon customs does those too.
I had a 223 conversion for about a year and while I liked it, it didn't run nearly as smoothly as an R700 clone (especially in 223AI) so I sold it. Sometimes I regret it, sometimes I don't. At this point I doubt AI will ever come out with an "official" 223 kit, between the long breech ring because of the 2 rows of bolt lugs and the reduced diameter of the bolt head/face compared to the bolt body leads to some challenges getting a 223 diameter case to feed 100% reliably in the AI action, not to mention getting the AI bolt to strip a 223 round from a single stack 223 AICS magazine pretty much requires the feed lips to rub the bolt body. Did the conversion work? Absolutely. Was it as reliable or as smooth as a R700 clone? Not in my experience, but part of that is because I had mine chambered in 223AI and that 40 degree shoulder wasn't as forgiving with the somewhat unfavorable feeding angle, regular 223 probably would have ran much better (Enrique suggested I stick with regular 223 because he said it feeds much more smoothly in the conversion, but I didn't listen because 223AI looks cooler, lol.)
The other thing that looked dicey in the long run is the sako style extractor that was modified to fit the 223 conversion bolt had very minimal engagement of the exactor pivot pin into the bolt head because any longer and it would rub the firing pin because of the design of the stock AI firing pin. If you ever had a stuck case I doubt the extractor would survive the beating. The fix would require modifying the firing pin and bolt head to allow for a longer pivot pin on the extractor, but then you'd need a modified firing pin and separate bolt shroud assembly dedicated to only the 223 bolt.
Still a neat conversion though.
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Do it. The kids love the AT-X. The cost to shoot some smaller 6mm's isn't that much different then the 223 if you reload.
Wasn't there someone else in TX doing the 223 conversions as well? Also, aren't bolts almost impossible to come by?
The conversion started with a talented smith out of Texas and then Bugholes bought the rights from him.
Correct, Enrique out of Massey's in Texas did the 223 bolts and magazine mods originally with bugholes chambering the barrels, then bugholes took over the entire conversion including fabricating the bolt heads. I got the last 223 bolt head from Enrique before he passed the project off to bugholes. My 223 conversion is now in the hands of another AI owner here on the forum.
Yes, you have to send a bolt body in. That was another frustration that bugholes mentioned, extremely long wait times to get bolts from AI so he couldn't offer off the shelf ready to go complete 223 bolts.
I had a spare complete large firing pin bolt just sitting around that I sent to Enrique for the 223 conversion along with a spare factory 1.6mm small firing pin.
Bugholes may or may not have a 223 bolt head left at this point, call or email them. If they still have one and he's willing to do the conversion you'll need to send a bolt body in. Several months ago he only had about 2 bolt heads left so they may be gone by now, and if so your only option at this point is to find a used 223 conversion and buy it.
Swapped out the Razor for a 5-25 ATACR.
24” .308, 168gr FGMM @ 2701 fps. Consistent hits at 1,000 yards.
Zeroing groups were about .5 MOA, need some more trigger time behind this thing and I’m sure they can tighten up.
Please peer pressure me into losing the Harris bipod.
24” .308, 168gr FGMM @ 2701 fps. Consistent hits at 1,000 yards.
Zeroing groups were about .5 MOA, need some more trigger time behind this thing and I’m sure they can tighten up.
Please peer pressure me into losing the Harris bipod.
Don't look through a 7-35 ATACR. You'll throw that 5-25 in the trash too.
I mean, they’re perfectly serviceable bipods. I’d hunt with one any day. They deploy quicker and easier than most, and with careful technique they can be used to shoot as small groups as with any bipod. BUT, they’re nowhere near as easy or forgiving to use as an Atlas CAL (my favorite, but I’m sure there are many others that other people favor as well). The thing I HATE about my Harris bipods is the rolling legs. That, and the springs don’t lock the legs in the deployed position as solidly as a notch/pin design. Both of these things contribute to the problem that, occasionally, if you aren’t perfect with your technique, just as you are about to break the shot, one or the other will “give” just a little and throw your aim off just as the trigger is breaking. That’s infuriating, and will make you want to throw it in the trash with the Razor. So all my rifles have Atlas CALs now (with the exception of a couple that don't have rails and only have sling swivel studs - they still have Harris).
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Trashing a razor but keeping the Harris means you haven’t fully eradicated the mentality of a vortex owner.
What if I told you... that I can shoot just as small with a Harris as I can an Atlas or Accu-Tac.
The Harris' biggest drawback IMO is the ability for you to pull back on it in the field and snap a leg closed...thereby causing your rifle to fall over.
And if you are going to actually throw your Razor into the trash, I'll give you a hundred bucks for it.
I’d believe you. I have never used anything other than a Harris. My biggest hurdle is probably analysis paralysis when deciding what to try next. So many options out there.
One of the biggest things I like the harris for over all others is the adjustable tension. No one has got it right but them. All the Atlas bipods I use have been either locked or looser than your sister after a Friday night out. The harris you can go from no friction anywhere up to locked. It's nice being able to adjust it to half tension and beable to muscle some can't into the gun when to actually geton a obstacle and nothave to reach up and unlock/lock.
I've yet to playwith a bipod that got itright except harris. Best I'vegotten is tightening the nut on an atlas to get more tension but then it's adjusted to that specific rifle
I've yet to playwith a bipod that got itright except harris. Best I'vegotten is tightening the nut on an atlas to get more tension but then it's adjusted to that specific rifle
I know I just got done plugging Harris, but I do prefer an Accu-Tac if I'm strictly target shooting. I have an Atlas on one of my hunting rigs too. But for a range gun, Harris is more than sufficient for most of us amateurs.
