Fieldcraft Adding Veg

[ScottG1911]

Well I found myself out in the woods doing some shooting and playing around with my first ghillie I recently built. For a certain reason, I needed to get my suit back out of my pack and get hidden really fast lol I wont go into it. i don't have any experiense with ghillies previous to this day so keep that in mind. any way I got my suit out and the only vegitation on the ground was dead leaves. I found out that at least my style of attaching dead leaves to a suit was not very affective, it worked 15 feet away but right up on it it didn't. I ended up finding branches with dead leaves still attached and weaving those into my ghillie.

So I'm looking for pointers for attaching dead leaves to a suit. I have 2"X2" square netting on my suit.

 

[Mike]

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You don't. A ghillie is meant to be an aide, not some type of magic cloak. It's not going to make you invisible. If your set up worked from 15ft. away, then you're probably on the right track. If whatever you want to hide from is <15ft. away it's either going to shoot you or run away.

Second is you want to attach dead leaves to your ghillie, so what your saying is that you will only be in the area of those dead leaves exclusively and not have to move out of there?

Third, dead leaves are inherently brittle and fragile. Trying to attach them will be an exercise in futility.

Your best bet is to try and use natural terrain and good fieldcraft skills rather than trying to make yourself invisible.

 

[ScottG1911]

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Yes I know that a ghillie isn't meant to make you "invisible". I was trying to keep to the Veg is the edge saying with the only veg being the leaves. here is where I got that idea within the first minute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCOZBr7pSAQ

maybe I'm going in the wrong direction. even my base suit worked pretty effectivly. As I said I'm just getting started in the art, lots to learn.

 

[Mike]

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Right,

Here's the points.

You said it worked to 15ft. You're ahead of the game there.

Hand stuff the leaves and veg in the ghillie. Don't try to permanently attach them.

Use natural terrain and don't rely on the ghillie.

That's a great foundation to start from.

 

[ScottG1911]

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Right that's exactly what I did too. I guess I was thinking if what I was avoiding came within that 15 ft. truely I probably never needed the leaves as I stayed mainly at least 100 meters from who I was hiding. and when I wanted to get a closer look, i used the terrain and manuveured into some ground foliage.

 

[Ghillie Zen]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Use natural terrain and don't rely on the ghillie. </div></div>

+1000 I love ghillies and utilizing them can be very effective. However, learning how to move undetected by using natural terrain is a more realistic skill to have, especially if you don't plan on having the ghillie on the whole time.

 

[deadly0311]

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the SEAL video you linked they have put rubber bands into the netting and then grab handfuls of leaves and secured them with rubber bands. Trying to imulate what the SEALs do is kind of contradicting yourself. They are trying to blend in because its life or death. You are trying to blend in to not spook game i assume. I have been on a few stalk lanes where instructors in regular cammies used the terrain to their advantage and were never seen until they stood up about 20 ft away. A ghillie is just a tool in the fieldcraft box.

 

[Arch]

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You want to use the max range of your weapon system, or glass, when working around dry leaves. Ever waited to see that trophy buck come over the draw and then you see it's a fox squirrel? Unless you are just playing hide and seek. LOL.

 

[ScottG1911]

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my intent of the suit was to just be a hobbie, kinda like shooting precision weapons. just hobby and practice in case I have to implement my ghillie for some reason. what i mentioned in my opening post was a don't be seen at all by the person looking for me even if they're 10 feet from you type of situation, thats why I tried the leaves. and as I said before I did use the terrain to move, that's pretty much common sense, at least to me. I know someone will ask so here's the scoop. I was out target shooting on public hunting land. I was at the farthest reaches of it and had a more than adequate back stop. the problem is that in my state it is against the law to target shoot on public land. It's a stupid law but it's the law. I only ever shoot my 22 out there because of this reason but my other area to shoot has been filled with corn so I took my high power out to the hunting grounds. any way someone called the sheriff on me for the noise I assume. so I ran and ghillied up and stalked my way around to assess what was going on. nothing major but I wasn't about to surrender my rifle or anything else. yeah I know I'm a big criminal lol.

 

[coldboremiracle]

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Sounds like a story from some communist country.

 

[Trapshooter12]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ScottG1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">my intent of the suit was to just be a hobbie, kinda like shooting precision weapons. just hobby and practice in case I have to implement my ghillie for some reason. what i mentioned in my opening post was a don't be seen at all by the person looking for me even if they're 10 feet from you type of situation, thats why I tried the leaves. and as I said before I did use the terrain to move, that's pretty much common sense, at least to me. I know someone will ask so here's the scoop. I was out target shooting on public hunting land. I was at the farthest reaches of it and had a more than adequate back stop. the problem is that in my state it is against the law to target shoot on public land. It's a stupid law but it's the law. I only ever shoot my 22 out there because of this reason but my other area to shoot has been filled with corn so I took my high power out to the hunting grounds. any way someone called the sheriff on me for the noise I assume. so I ran and ghillied up and stalked my way around to assess what was going on. nothing major but I wasn't about to surrender my rifle or anything else. yeah I know I'm a big criminal lol. </div></div>

Keep doing stupid shit like this and your going to be the next headline in your local News paper. With your Momma sayin he was a good boy he didn't do nuffin.

 

[ScottG1911]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Trapshooter12</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ScottG1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">my intent of the suit was to just be a hobbie, kinda like shooting precision weapons. just hobby and practice in case I have to implement my ghillie for some reason. what i mentioned in my opening post was a don't be seen at all by the person looking for me even if they're 10 feet from you type of situation, thats why I tried the leaves. and as I said before I did use the terrain to move, that's pretty much common sense, at least to me. I know someone will ask so here's the scoop. I was out target shooting on public hunting land. I was at the farthest reaches of it and had a more than adequate back stop. the problem is that in my state it is against the law to target shoot on public land. It's a stupid law but it's the law. I only ever shoot my 22 out there because of this reason but my other area to shoot has been filled with corn so I took my high power out to the hunting grounds. any way someone called the sheriff on me for the noise I assume. so I ran and ghillied up and stalked my way around to assess what was going on. nothing major but I wasn't about to surrender my rifle or anything else. yeah I know I'm a big criminal lol. </div></div>

Keep doing stupid shit like this and your going to be the next headline in your local News paper. With your Momma sayin he was a good boy he didn't do nuffin. </div></div>

I appologize for not conforming to every little socialist law out there. Technically I didnt break the law, as while shooting i was 5 feet on the other side of a fence line which is supposed to be the property line. any way i don't care much cause they wont ever catch me and if they come close a little suppressive fire will allow me to escape

I'm copletely kidding of course lol. the law is stupid, almost meant to be broke in my eyes. We're required to wear a seat belt, but my safety is non of my governments concern so I don't wear it. I dont follow the speed limit much either. it's a risky world when you live in a police state.

 

[Bagpuss]

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your gonna get slated on here,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,just warning ya its gonna happen

are you an air soft guy????????????

with real guns I would hope you wouldnt get yourself in stupid situations

 

[i_Adam_i18]

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Yeah sounds smart, ghillie up and go break the law with a firearm, hopefully for you, the cop(s) that show up haven't had any formal military training...Darwins theory of evolution at work.

 

[pevrs114]

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Sadly, this thread degenerated from a possibly useful topic to one I am not going to touch with a ten-foot pole. Just remembering what my mother said, if you can't say anything nice...

What a shame, would have been some nice technical info to garner, a subject I was interested in and puzzled about.

 

[Pat M]

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http://www.turkeyhuntingsecrets.com/store/store-camo-3d-leaf.htm

 

[i_Adam_i18]

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I just fail to see the humor in jokes about firing on law enforcement officers. Yeah, maybe he was joking, maybe not, there seems to be a lot of nut jobs out there these days that will actually shoot at cops for no other reason than them doing their jobs, read about the recent incident in Seattle. Not really something to joke about, and it's also not wise to put on a ghillie suit and try to get a better vantage point on a responding officer, that statement just sounds like a cop killer mentality.

I don't have a problem with the guy trying to get some pointers on making a better ghillie, but his perposes are questionable sounding. I think that most people on this site respect the law as well as safety.

 

[Mike]

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I wouldn't worry too much. The best ghillie in the world will still get you busted if you don't know wtf you are doing.

 

[Aaron Snyder]

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I'm gonna completely ignore ScottG1911 and put this out there for the RESPONSIBLE practitioners out there. These are some pics of adding veg. The grass and ghillie are opposite colors to show the contrast. There are many ways to veg up a suit, and the elastic veg loops work great, but you can also use the burlap it self to tie in veg. This is they way I have always done it. It takes longer than shoving hand fulls of veg into the elastic, but this way secures it nicely for those long stalks. Put a hand full under the netting, then fold it up and use the burlap to tie around the bundle. It will cause the veg to stand up in a natural manner. You can also use 550 cord to tie in veg.

Here is what a it should look like before a stalk lol.

Happy Hunting!

 

[_Shay_]

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Can you explain to me how you put the rope in to keep the veg in, cuz Id like to have that in my suit

 

[Aaron Snyder]

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The 550 cord does nothing to keep it tied in, it's another option to tie in natural veg instead of weaving it in the netting. Or, you can weave it under the netting and then use the 550 cord to tie around the bundle like I did in the picture using the burlap. I just find that the 550 cord lasts forever and is easily replaced if needed. It works well when tying in large bundles that are a pain in the ass to shove under the netting.

 

[_Shay_]

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oh okay

 

[pevrs114]

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Zero, thank you that's excellent information.

 

[ScottG1911]

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ok guys the rather bad statement i made about "supressing fire" was just that, stupid. i shouldn't even have went into the story i went into, i mean come on this is the internet, land of all do gooders and people who are experts at blowing things out of proportion. I didn't know we were so politically correct that a bad choice of comment automatically makes a man a criminal and a cop killer and all this bullshit. get a grip guys. if you can't handle it then myob. does every person on this forum do the exact speed limit every day? do you all wear your seatbelts? shooting a rifle on hunting grounds in a safe manor is not that big of deal, but ut seems some of you would have me hanged. would you guys turn in the dirt poor man who shoots a deer out of season to feed his family? you probably wouldnt, cause he didnt hurt no one by not following an unreasonable law. just like some of you will go 5mph over and just like i did a little shooting. and the whole cop thing had nothing to do with me wanting to know about veg. i wanted to learn this but never did and when i wanted it i didnt have the knowledge. any way yall can thing as you like, it's the fuckin internet.

Zero0311 thank you for your post and helping out the other guys.

 

[brutus1776]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WASP7067</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just fail to see the humor in jokes about firing on law enforcement officers. Yeah, maybe he was joking, maybe not, there seems to be a lot of nut jobs out there these days that will actually shoot at cops for no other reason than them doing their jobs, read about the recent incident in Seattle. Not really something to joke about, and it's also not wise to put on a ghillie suit and try to get a better vantage point on a responding officer, that statement just sounds like a cop killer mentality.

I don't have a problem with the guy trying to get some pointers on making a better ghillie, but his perposes are questionable sounding. I think that most people on this site respect the law as well as safety. </div></div>

while, i'll concede that shooting at law enforcement officers (i look at it as shooting at 'people' and do not place anyone on a pedestal) over shooting on public land is pretty stupid and immoral...but refer to the quote in the sig. of your post. the one about resisting gun confiscation. if you resist gun confiscation, you will be a 'cop killer,' will have the 'cop killer' mindset and will shoot LE or mil just for doing their 'job.'

and there is no need to bring constitutionality into the argument because the majority of what law enforcement does today is enforce laws that are unconstitutional to begin with.

 

[MarcC11B]

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Go buy some fake leaves from Wal-Mart or Hobby Lobby and tie them or pin them on. Look at Sportsman's warehouse or the such online and they sell them for hunting. Also, Leafy wear works pretty darn good.

 

[KLR]

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Zero awesome work. The begin the stalk pic is just terrific. How long does it take you to work the native foliage into your basic suit? When you hit prone in that picture you are just going to disappear.

KLR

 

[i_Adam_i18]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i look at it as shooting at 'people' and do not place anyone on a pedestal</div></div>

A good poing and I totally agree with you.
As far as my signature, it definitely comes to Constitutionality. And if it came to that point, they they would be a domestic enemy if they were upholding illegal "orders".
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and there is no need to bring constitutionality into the argument because the majority of what law enforcement does today is enforce laws that are unconstitutional to begin with.</div></div>
I would have to disagree with that, and I'm not sure if that is coming from first hand experience or from the media's coverage of police events but I assume the latter. I think we all know that the media is just looking for a story and they'll get it even if it means lying their asses off.
I'm prior Military and current LE and I would never uphold an "order" that violated the 2nd amendment (including confiscating any legally owned firearms) or any other portion of the Constitution(knowingly; I don't claim to have memorized it word for word)

And I would quit before I upheld an unconstitutional law (like the one they passed up in Seatte recently.)

Sorry for the hijack, just had to vent.

 

[ScottG1911]

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WASP you're fine. It's good to see cops out there still upholding their oath. I know I probably hit some nerves with some from what I said but it truely was a joke, it made sense at the time but I'm just gonna forget about that, bad taste of humor. Hell i was going to the Accademy in december but the course filled up before I could get funding, so there's definatly no cop killer to me lol. I've wanted to enlist in the Army for years now, so I think it's finally my time.

Anyway thanks for all your posts, and if anyone has any more info please share with everyone.

 

[brutus1776]

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WASP,

thank you sir for keeping your oath.
are you familiar with the oathkeeper organization?

that being said...
it is wonderful to see an LE so adamant about not following illegal orders or an order to confiscate weapons from citizens.

im not asking this as an insult, but as as genuine question...

i dont know what type of agency you work for, whether its local, federal, etc. but...
how would you feel about a federal LE officer up holding his oath and refusing to participate in drug raids, no knock searches, enforcement of federal gun laws, warrantless wire tapping, enforcement of IRS laws, etc? all of these laws that are enforced are unconstitutional.

i highly commend the LE/mil that uphold their oath, im just curious how literally they take it. for instance the oathkeepers refuse to follow orders on 10 set areas. but arent many of the other areas that law enforcement gets involved with unconstitutional as well?

 

[i_Adam_i18]

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Scott, Thanks, and I totally understand, I'm not too upset about it I guess it just hit a nerve because I read the news on Policelink and Policeone.com every day and every day there is something about a cop getting shot, it gets disheartening to see and hear.

Brutus, I have been looking at the oathkeepers organization for a while now, I am seriously considering joining it. The only part of oath that I don't feel 100% about is the martial law part. I think it has it's place. And I'm not saying they should be able to declare martial law for anything, but in the gravest of extremes, maybe. Like with katrina, I don't think they declared it but it pretty much was, and I don't think katrina was even to the point where they should have declared it. But there should never for an instant been even talk about confiscating peoples firearms; the only thing they had to defend themselves and their property. Find the threat and neutralize it, don't make a piss poor attempt finding a blanket solution that puts more peoples lives at risk(thats in regards to all the shooting that was going on there).

Like I said, I'm not exactly sure how I feel about that because martial law could definitely be abused to the point of making an entire city into a detention camp if the soldiers didn't see through the BS enough to refuse illegal orders. Somebody convince me one way or the other.

As far as drug raids, no knock searches, etc. I don't have experience with that, but I assume they would have probable cause and have recieved a warrent from a judge by that point, making it legal. I don't know how much illegal searches get done like that but with drug raids and such, they pretty much always find dope which means they had a reason to be there and probably did their intel.