No sir, the ocean does nothing for me… I work on it everyday in arguably one of the most beautiful sections on the east coast and could not care less about it. Just not my jam.
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Advice on moving to the south east vs south west
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Need any advice or help in regards to NW Arkansas , holler at me
I was there last weekend , there were bikes EVERYWHERE !! You’re from Georgia, so humidity and bugs wouldn’t be anything worse here. Behind my AO they had the Big Mountain Enduro last weekend . First stop on the North American Premier Series. Only stop other than in the Rockies. Cost of living and everything else has gone up , but still below most everywhere else. Arkansas is a RED state , Constitutional Carry state. NW Arkansas has its share of libtards and Yankees , but they are way in the minority.
Arkansans are friendly and helpful to a fault sometimes , but they aren’t stupid as many think. As mentioned weather wise , we have 4 seasons for sure , but NW Arkansas is always different from elsewhere in the state. Not as brutal Summers as say the Arkansas River Valley.
Hope this helps
I was going to recommend the SW until I saw you were not a road cyclist. Welcome to the SE.
If you’re moving anywhere in the South….
I lived in Nashville for a while. It isn't bad but not my favorite.Nashville is full.
Greetings from the People’s Socialist Republic of Northern Virginia! We would love to have you here with us comrade! Your tax dollars will be used to good causes, like free narcan, your children will be thoroughly indoctrinated by the leftist “educators “ with no input from you. We here in the the republic look to assimilate the remainder of our backward evil conservative state with all our liberal socialist views. Please don’t bring any evil firearms or suppressors with you, as we are looking to rid our land of plenty from all evil freedom seekers. We also hope to rid the biased criminal justice system with no more cash bonds, and release the poor misunderstood thugs back to society as quickly as possible so they can continue to try to make a life under the oppression of our conservative laws.
All tongue in cheek here (not really)…..used to be a bastion of good, morally sensible values. Now, overrunning libtards trying to imitate the commie state of California.
Avoid!
All tongue in cheek here (not really)…..used to be a bastion of good, morally sensible values. Now, overrunning libtards trying to imitate the commie state of California.
Avoid!
Perfect spot for a yankee.
Go to the southwest.
The south east is a miserable place. Hot and cold and wet and humid and plagued with drought.
You won't like it here.
I’m from Pittsburgh but we spend a lot of time throughout mid - southern WV down through the smokies into eastern TN. Unlimited outdoor activities year round and some beautiful scenery. I actually prefer the Appalachian Mountains over the Rockies, Tetons, Sierras, etc. mostly conservative areas with good people. Lots of rock climbing in WV, especially around the New River Gorge and Summersville Lake areas. Land is cheap and cost of living is low.
Ignore the man behind the screen. NC, especially east and central NC, are the place for you.
And it's Yankee. If youre going to insult them at least capitalize.
Voluntarily moving to North Carolina makes you gay.
Georgia and Alabama are closed.
I have heard that Wyoming is the place to be @Bender.
Georgia and Alabama are closed.
I have heard that Wyoming is the place to be @Bender.
What are property taxes and vehicle registration costs like?
The state has to get their funding from somewhere, so a person needs to look at total costs not just "no state tax".
Those are fairly low compared to most places.
Sales tax is higher than most.
We have sales tax holidays, where there is no tax on school supplies the week before school starts, and several weeks with no sales tax on groceries.
AZ has a safety valve on the blue though. As the VAST majority of Dems consider only a tiny portion of the state to be habitable. Hence why they continue to cram themselves into just a few cities and counties. So unlike say, CA where weather and support infrastructure allow Dem minions to easily relocate to every nook and cranny of the state, the same can not be said of AZ.
So while the Governor and Senators might stay blue due to the effect of population density in Dem areas on state wide elections, the State Legislature is dominated by red as most legislative districts vote Repub.
Define "fairly low" and "most places".
Low compared to NJ...is one thing, while low compared to AZ is another.
From my experience while researching a place to relocate to before we picked AZ here is an example of property taxes...
2 properties we looked at, both 3bd/2ba, 1500ish sqft on 10 acres
Montana $900 a year
Texas $5400 a year.
Here in rural AZ even with paying state income tax along with my (sub $800 a year) property taxes, I am saving more than $4000 over what just property tax would have cost me in "no state tax" TX. And we are on 72 acres here instead of just 10.
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The problem that can arise from doing that is dealing with the poverty of the area. Which brings drug and theft issues. Also declining population usually goes hand in hand with declining tax revenues, which hampers the ability of the county to provide services such as law enforcement and emergency services.
Declining population is followed by stores and other providers closing as they become unprofitable.
In today's world, where anyone who can is fleeing the cities and blue states for any rural location they think will be safer, any rural area that isn't seeing an influx of people must really have issues.
After living in the Mojave desert for 34 years (29 Palms) we bought a place in rural NE AZ back in 2017 and moved here full time in 2019.
When you ask about what things are like in AZ you need to narrow the focus a bit. We have BROILING hot desert areas as well as mountain areas where it gets below zero.
The CRAMMED together metro areas and the WIDE open rural ones. The Phoenix metro area (known as "The Valley") has about 5 million of the state's 7 million residents, While out where I am there are 8 people in the square mile my wife and I live in.
Property costs vary widely depending on where you are looking in the state.
Here is a link to my ongoing thread about moving to and living in rural AZ.
Bought Property near St Johns AZ
My wife and I will be retired two years the end of this month and we signed the papers on a property in AZ back at the end of May. We still have things to finish up here in CA and probably won't be totally moved for a while yet. I also need to get a shop built there to house all my stuff. House...
www.survivalistboards.com
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In a special session being held on Monday 9/11 the Arkansas Legislature is looking to gut that state's FOIA to prevent its residents from seeing what their .gov is doing.Need any advice or help in regards to NW Arkansas , holler at me
Cost of living and everything else has gone up , but still below most everywhere else. Arkansas is a RED state , Constitutional Carry state. NW Arkansas has its share of libtards and Yankees , but they are way in the minority.
Arkansans are friendly and helpful to a fault sometimes , but they aren’t stupid as many think. As mentioned weather wise , we have 4 seasons for sure , but NW Arkansas is always different from elsewhere in the state. Not as brutal Summers as say the Arkansas River Valley.
Hope this helps
I understand that perspective well... I'll play the "Devil's Advocate" for a moment.
The flip side is following the crowd to an area with no poverty. Drug issues are everywhere. Theft, in many cases depends on the Local Sheriff.
The local Sheriff can disappear as fast as the next election or who buy's the county commissioners.
Demographics (increasing / declining population) is tracked well by the UHaul and Moving Van companies. I watched Houston, Morgan city and other Gulf Coast cities become ghost towns when the oil industry crashed. I've watched towns like Austin become a 25 year boom town. Detroit was rock solid until the auto industry evolved.
People have left the cities in cycles. Today's head lines say "Workers must return to the office"... The tide changed.
Name the top 3 priorities you MUST have. If you are lucky, you will find that place. From priority #4 down to the bottom of your list is things you are going to have to accept and deal with.
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The Arizona legislature is only a few seats away from being Democrat controlled. Maybe 3? This state is not safely red anymore.
I know this thread is a little old, but NC has some of the best climbing in the south. Lots of trad climbing at places like Table Rock, Linville Gorge, Looking Glass. Go slabbing at Stone Mtn with 50’ run outs between bolts at 5.10 (that is a mental gut check). If you have stones of steel, check out Whitesides, 10+ pitches at 5.12. I’ve never been there, the easiest climbs have always been over my head. We also have a lot of Mtn biking trails. The Tsali area near Nantahala has so many trails that you couldn’t ride them all in a solid week. NC is a cool place, just stay away from Charlotte, with its big city BS and democratic run govt, and Asheville, full of leftists and weirdo’s.
I didn't mean, "to follow the crowd" either. Just that moving to a rural area in population decline isn't usually a good thing. Yes drugs are a problem all over but they are much more of a problem in poorer/depressed areas. Those methbillies have fewer targets to choose from in order to steal what they need to buy their fix.I understand that perspective well... I'll play the "Devil's Advocate" for a moment.
The flip side is following the crowd to an area with no poverty. Drug issues are everywhere. Theft, in many cases depends on the Local Sheriff.
The local Sheriff can disappear as fast as the next election or who buy's the county commissioners.
Demographics (increasing / declining population) is tracked well by the UHaul and Moving Van companies. I watched Houston, Morgan city and other Gulf Coast cities become ghost towns when the oil industry crashed. I've watched towns like Austin become a 25 year boom town. Detroit was rock solid until the auto industry evolved.
People have left the cities in cycles. Today's head lines say "Workers must return to the office"... The tide changed.
Name the top 3 priorities you MUST have. If you are lucky, you will find that place. From priority #4 down to the bottom of your list is things you are going to have to accept and deal with.
Moving Industry Statistics: Data & Trends (2023) | moveBuddha
Nearly 28 million Americans move every year. All this moving generates a ton of data and interesting insights on migration trends in the US.
Despite workers returning to the office, a LOT of them are doing so from much farther away. Commuting long distances to avoid being trapped in the city. With the attendant higher costs and safety risks. And many businesses themselves have left the cities. Relocating to smaller less dense areas, if not doing away with office workers almost entirely. NYC saw a huge outflow of office jobs, with the trickle down affect hitting all those support businesses who depended on those office people for their livelihoods.
The small town in N TX where our son's viewing was held, was seeing an influx of people that worked in the DFW area but were willing to commute an hour or more for a lower stress home life. Thus driving up home prices with old houses selling for $400K in a town with just min-wage jobs.
My newest neighbor here in AZ is from the Fort Worth area. They want to get out of dodge due to the changing demographics and rising costs in TX. He said his property taxes increased by $1,600 this year alone. Though it will be a few years before he can make the final move.
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My 1452 sqft 2bd/2ba log house on 72 acres (grid power/well/septic) costs me less then $800.
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The SW is a shithole, perfect for closet Biden voters and left wing fuckwads. If you are a Fudd and antigun douche, New Mexico or the Atlanta area will be perfect.
I grew up in North Carolina and went west in the military 40 years ago. Yankees have ruined the town I grew up in, they even have a cock smokers parade and groomers teaching school now. We went back to the area for a week and the locals are miserable these days.
If you dream it to drive around with you Patriots bullshit on the car and tell people how much more enlightened you are because you love Biden, stay where you are for fucks sakes.
I grew up in North Carolina and went west in the military 40 years ago. Yankees have ruined the town I grew up in, they even have a cock smokers parade and groomers teaching school now. We went back to the area for a week and the locals are miserable these days.
If you dream it to drive around with you Patriots bullshit on the car and tell people how much more enlightened you are because you love Biden, stay where you are for fucks sakes.
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FWIW, you could use this site to find where "most" climbing areas are within the states(and the world, for that matter) Mountain Project if climbing areas are a consideration. You wont find much in the SE. Some bouldering. But, the good stuff is all west of the Mississippi.
Yes, we went all over NC as it was on the list but my wife's primary is Sport climbing. There really isn't much of that in NC. We have settled on NW Arkansas (just outside of Jasper). Should be closing on land soon.
Thank you to everyone who contributed.
But many of the Repubs that got elected are much more conservative then the ones they replaced. And those 3(?) seats get harder to come by once you get out of the major metropolitan areas.
Than you might want to consider this (that I posted earlier in thread)...
In a special session being held on Monday 9/11 the Arkansas Legislature is looking to gut that state's FOIA to prevent its residents from seeing what their .gov is doing.
He's full of shit. TN is backwards as fuck. The tooth fairy is broke and on welfare. General Motors couldn't even keep a plant here because the people were too Stoopid to do assembly line work. Do I even need to say MEMPHIS? Wanna see the Chattanooga Choo Choo? Better bring the 2nd Battalion. Better learn to speak Mexican cuz all the cock suckers are here.
How much tax you pay where you live is one thing, but total cost of living for that area is what to look at if you can figure it out (includes taxes, but its more) and here is why I say that.
I moved from a really high tax area, to a low tax area. I felt like I would notice 'things missing', I didn't. I still can't figure out WTF I was paying all those high taxes for in one area unless it was just simply for waste and libtarded bullshit handouts I never used (high tax area I was in was as libtarded as it gets without being inside Obama's vagina)
One thing that caught me off guard was a big difference in auto insurance (and a little surprise on home insurance) and utilities.
In the high tax area where everything cost an arm and a leg, auto insurance was significantly lower. I had the same cars, the same drivers, same ins company, less mileage driven per year stated as when I moved I went from commuting everyday to a work at home job (pre-covid, I was a work at home pioneer).
In the high tax area, things like local fire department were included in the property tax, one bill and done. In the low tax area, I had a separate fire dept tax, a separate library tax, etc etc that wasn't in my property tax bill like it was in the high tax area. The fire dept tax was $400/year.
Utilities! OMFG I never expected such a swing. In the high tax area my water/electricity/garbage disposal was nothing compared to what it was in the low tax area. Water was double in the low tax area and electricity was a good 30% more in the low tax area (looking at per gallon and per KW hour, not looking at my total bill)
Sales tax as mentioned is another one. I learned there are some fine lines on local sales tax and driving 2 miles the other direction and shopping at the same brand store in a different county can save you 4%.
My bottom line, it's near impossible to determine total cost of living (all the money you are REQUIRED to pay to live in a certain area) until you actually live there for a year and do an accounting.
You can get most of the big ones, property tax, sales tax, etc, but there is shit I never thought of being concerned about. I am 100% going to check auto insurance before the next time I move, there was a $100 month difference just on that (I have a lot of insurance).
When I summed everything up, Cost of a house/land/taxes/utilities/insurance/etc/etc I was still paying less in the low tax area and it was significant, but the surprise increases made it not as much of a savings as I thought I was going to get based on my best information before I actually moved.
I moved from a really high tax area, to a low tax area. I felt like I would notice 'things missing', I didn't. I still can't figure out WTF I was paying all those high taxes for in one area unless it was just simply for waste and libtarded bullshit handouts I never used (high tax area I was in was as libtarded as it gets without being inside Obama's vagina)
One thing that caught me off guard was a big difference in auto insurance (and a little surprise on home insurance) and utilities.
In the high tax area where everything cost an arm and a leg, auto insurance was significantly lower. I had the same cars, the same drivers, same ins company, less mileage driven per year stated as when I moved I went from commuting everyday to a work at home job (pre-covid, I was a work at home pioneer).
In the high tax area, things like local fire department were included in the property tax, one bill and done. In the low tax area, I had a separate fire dept tax, a separate library tax, etc etc that wasn't in my property tax bill like it was in the high tax area. The fire dept tax was $400/year.
Utilities! OMFG I never expected such a swing. In the high tax area my water/electricity/garbage disposal was nothing compared to what it was in the low tax area. Water was double in the low tax area and electricity was a good 30% more in the low tax area (looking at per gallon and per KW hour, not looking at my total bill)
Sales tax as mentioned is another one. I learned there are some fine lines on local sales tax and driving 2 miles the other direction and shopping at the same brand store in a different county can save you 4%.
My bottom line, it's near impossible to determine total cost of living (all the money you are REQUIRED to pay to live in a certain area) until you actually live there for a year and do an accounting.
You can get most of the big ones, property tax, sales tax, etc, but there is shit I never thought of being concerned about. I am 100% going to check auto insurance before the next time I move, there was a $100 month difference just on that (I have a lot of insurance).
When I summed everything up, Cost of a house/land/taxes/utilities/insurance/etc/etc I was still paying less in the low tax area and it was significant, but the surprise increases made it not as much of a savings as I thought I was going to get based on my best information before I actually moved.
Then, tell her it's time to start placing her own gear. She'll be a better climber that way. Not to mention, it opens up A LOT more climbing options she wouldn't normally have.
The GM plant in Spring Hill is still running, and is their largest plant. We also have VW and Nissan.
Comes down to weather, do you prefer dry heat or humidity?
This is a big one. My chiropractor is originally from AZ. He says the summers here with lower temps but higher humidity feels much hotter than there with much hotter temps and near zero humidity.
Had a coworker from Pennsylvania who told me -20 up there didn't feel as cold as 20 here.
We have talked about that a lot. Her reason for climbing sport is she says it's more about the individual moves and work on the rock which she says more aligns with sport than trad. But she still climbs trad some.Then, tell her it's time to start placing her own gear. She'll be a better climber that way. Not to mention, it opens up A LOT more climbing options she wouldn't normally have.
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