Alliants new Power Pro 2000mr

[hntbambi]

Re: Alliants new Power Pro 2000mr

This was done at 100 yards with my 17 year old rifle. The barrel has a whole bunch of rounds through it and it does have some pitting here and there, but it shoots pretty well when I point it straight.

I am using virgin WW cases, Fed 210M primers, Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR powder, and Nosler 175 gr Custom Competition bullets seated to 2.800" OAL.

Gun:
Rem 700PSS
.308 Win
+20 MOA mount
Leupy Vari-X III 8-25x40
Bipod
Rear bag

Ambient conditions:
Time of day: 08:00-11:00
Barometer: 25.9
Sky: Sunny
Temp: 90°F
Humidity: 16%
Altitude: 4250'
Density altitude: 7830'
Wind: 0-5 mph from 5:00

Powder charges:

1. 46.0 - 2662 fps - SD=44 - ES=87
2. 46.3 - 2688 fps - SD=39 - ES=80
3. 46.6 - 2695 fps - SD=18 - ES=34
4. 46.9 - 2735 fps - SD=30 - ES=57
5. 47.2 - 2711 fps - SD=14 - ES=27
6. 47.5 - 2740 fps - SD=15 - ES=31
7. 47.8 - 2729 fps - SD=15 - ES=31

I went back to the range today and shot 6 groups that ranged from 47.2 - 47.7 in 0.1 gr increments. The 200 yard berm was not available, so I had to settle for 100 yards. These were shot round robin with cooling time between each set of 6 shots. The #1 target below is the same powder charge as #5 above. I will play some more with 47.4-47.5 gr and see what a 10 shot group looks like.

It was slightly cooler today as it was only 80°F when I shot these. My first outing last weekend was shot on a bench with a bipod and rear bag. This round was shot with a Wichita front rest and rear bag.

 

[BrettSass844]

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Maybe I am running a little faster than I think. I got a 24" bbl and am running 47.2 in Win cases with CCI 200s. I better run some JBM dope for 2700 and a little faster. I'm showing no signs of pressure and the one thing I did notice about this powder is the more I cram in the case the more accurate it is! I plan on testing 47.7 and 48.3 soon. that could push me into the 2750-2825 range based on the numbers I have seen. I will verify my drop saturday at TVP and post the results.

 

[BrettSass844]

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Confirmed my loads yesterday at TVP before the comp started.

Savage 10FP
Win brass
CCI 200
47.2 gr 2000MR
175 SMK
2780 FPS (just under .5" at 100 yards)
confirmed 32.75 moa to 1K with consistency!

This powder kicks ass! I plan on tryng 47.7 and 48.2 to see what I can group also as I have 0 pressure signs.

 

[pcschwenke]

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BrettSass844, what length barrel are you running? Do you have a custom barrel? My 5R at 47.5th is at 2680fps (verified 2 different days). Based on all the info I've found, my velocity is right on par with Alliant & others.

Just curious. Love this powder as well!

Paul

 

[BrettSass844]

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Just my stock 24" barrel that came on the Savage last year. I was considering selling my barrel and rebarreling to a 7-08 but given the performance I can getting with this rifle I am going to stick it out for now. It is just tough competing with the 7mm and 6.5mm bullets. I will prolly rebarrel this winter with the hopes of running the 162 Amax at 2750-2850. This powder does extremely well in the 7-08 also. My shooting partner yesterday runs the 162bthp at 2775 and it runs circles around my 175SMK.

 

[Whiskey Tango Foxtrot]

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Exactly what my 5r is running with that load and 178s.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pcschwenke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BrettSass844, what length barrel are you running? Do you have a custom barrel? My 5R at 47.5th is at 2680fps (verified 2 different days). Based on all the info I've found, my velocity is right on par with Alliant & others.

Just curious. Love this powder as well!

Paul </div></div>

 

[JLM]

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So okay, here's the deal. Someone is going to give me the rest of their test batch of Berger 200gr Hybrids, as they haven't had any luck with them.

I don't have the latest QL updates, so I don't even know if the powder is in the latest powder file. Looks like the bullets are long as hell too.

Anywone have any idea of where I can start safely?

 

[B Man]

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I finally had some time to test some loads with the 2000-MR.

Rem 5r milspec 24" barrel
win. brass
wlr primer
178 A max
Neck sized lee collet
2.820 OAL
No brass prep

I did shoot my standard load for cold bore shots and to check my shooting. All shots were prone w/ bi pod and rear sand bag.

My standard load was the same as above except for 44.3 gr. varget.

Load test with 47.3 - 48.1 gr 2000 mr ( Bottom dot on first target is 47.3 gr. I made a mistake w/ 47 )

10 Shot string w/ 47.5 gr 2000 mr and 44.3 gr varget

So far I'm not impressed with 2000 mr in my gun w/ 178's. I'm not going to give up on it yet though. I've wanted to test some 208 A Max's and with the velocity gain it gives it may or may not work. It's back on the shelf for now though.

Has anyone else noticed that the gun is a good bit louder at the shot? Sounds like I am shooting a magnum with it w/ out the recoil.

 

[BCP]

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I just got around to testing it out of my 16" fulton 308.

43.5 varget LC brass 175SMK CCI primer 2.81 COAL = ~2450
47 2000MR powder instead = ~2550

Was 80 degrees

Both loads show ejector marks but they were a little more pronounced on the 2000MR load. I didn't shoot a long string (5 rounds of each) but they were fairly consistent. Considering that varget load is only 2500fps out of my 20" LTR I was happy with 2550 out of a 16" gas gun.

 

[abersfelderami]

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Last Sunday ASR, 90 degree, Alt 1700'
Sako TRG22, 26" barrel
Pakt Professional
10 feet to chrony

175 smk, Norma brass, 44.3g RL15, 210M, COAL 2810
Average speed 2676 fps

175 smk, Lapua brass, 44.2g RL15, 210m, 2810
Average speed 2632 fps

175 smk, Norma brass,43g IMR 8208, 210M, 2810
Average speed 2687 fps

175 smk, Norma 44.9g varget, 210M, 2810
Average speed 2677 fps

175 smk,Norma, 47.6g Power Pro 2000MR, 210M, 2810
Average speed 2768fps
SD 2769, 2772, 2757, 2769, 2775

175 SMK, Norma brass,47.8g Power Pro 2000,210M, 2810
Average speed 2774 fps

175 smk, Norma, 47.9g Power pro 2000
Average speed 2776 fps

48.1g
Average speed 2780 fps
SD 2773, 2790, 2777, 2778,2809 fps

48.3g of power pro 2000 sticky bolt

 

[BrettSass844]

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Anyone try this powder in a 284Win? I have a 25" barrel on the way now that is going on a short action. Definitely want to give this powder a try with it as well. I will be able to seat out to 2.985 using Alpha mags so hopefully between this powder and RL17 I can find a accuracy node between 2950-3000 with the 162Amax.

 

[Bryan W M]

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Brettsass844 did you ever run up to 48gr. with the 2000mr? any more data on this?? and please list your elevation it does make a dif. thanks!!

 

[david777]

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Not exactly 175's but........

I tested a sequence of loads with 2000 MR yesterday, starting at 45g to 48.5g in .3 gr increment 5 shot groups, with a 168 gr AMAX. The lower loads groupings left a lot to be desired, some as high as 3 1/2 MOA. 48 gr was the magic number. At 100 yards, shooting in a strong gusting wind from left to right, it shot vertical spread less than a 1/4" and side to side a hair less than an inch. I am more than impressed. This was shot out of 18" gas gun. I'll get some chrono numbers as soon as weather permits.

I also did some testing with 155 gr AMAX's and I still found Varget to be more accurate. I am getting about .6 MOA with Varget and the best load I found with 2000 MR was about 1.25 MOA.

BTW, I am at about 5200' elevation.

 

[david777]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BrettSass844</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The one thing I noticed was that in my rifle the hotter the load the better the group. </div></div>

I noticed the same exact thing.

 

[JGorski]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: David777</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not exactly 175's but........

I tested a sequence of loads with 2000 MR yesterday, starting at 45g to 48.5g in .3 gr increment 5 shot groups, with a 168 gr AMAX. The lower loads groupings left a lot to be desired, some as high as 3 1/2 MOA. 48 gr was the magic number. At 100 yards, shooting in a strong gusting wind from left to right, it shot vertical spread less than a 1/4" and side to side a hair less than an inch. I am more than impressed. This was shot out of 18" gas gun. I'll get some chrono numbers as soon as weather permits.

I also did some testing with 155 gr AMAX's and I still found Varget to be more accurate. I am getting about .6 MOA with Varget and the best load I found with 2000 MR was about 1.25 MOA.

BTW, I am at about 5200' elevation. </div></div>

That might be due to the fact that 2000MR works best with heavy bullets in the 308 and 223. REMARKS from Alliant manual:"Excellent performance in heavy 223 and 308 loads"

 

[JGorski]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: B Man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I finally had some time to test some loads with the 2000-MR.

Rem 5r milspec 24" barrel
win. brass
wlr primer
178 A max
Neck sized lee collet
2.820 OAL
No brass prep

I did shoot my standard load for cold bore shots and to check my shooting. All shots were prone w/ bi pod and rear sand bag.

My standard load was the same as above except for 44.3 gr. varget.

Load test with 47.3 - 48.1 gr 2000 mr ( Bottom dot on first target is 47.3 gr. I made a mistake w/ 47 )

10 Shot string w/ 47.5 gr 2000 mr and 44.3 gr varget

So far I'm not impressed with 2000 mr in my gun w/ 178's. I'm not going to give up on it yet though. I've wanted to test some 208 A Max's and with the velocity gain it gives it may or may not work. It's back on the shelf for now though.

Has anyone else noticed that the gun is a good bit louder at the shot? Sounds like I am shooting a magnum with it w/ out the recoil.



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How many yards are you shooting in this test? Im getting much better accuracy with 178HPBTs and this powder(47.5grs)Groups are from 200, 200 & 300 yds.

 

[BrettSass844]

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Bump for any updates. I am looking forward to trying this in my new 284 Win.

 

[Bryan W M]

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Brettsass844 whats your elevation? and what was your coal on the 47.2 load??

Anyone try this in a 260rem with 140s??

thanks

 

[MDM44]

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Sounds like I should give this a try myself.Current load is 150gr Hornady SST,46gr RL-15,Hornady Custom brass,Win LR primer.Still working at it but so far been great for hunting,3 deer between 260-285 yrds,all dropped in their tracks.Deer season winding down,means "target season" will be starting soon.In my enthusiam forgot to ad this is for .308

 

[Ishallbie O'Cullkillin]

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This being the case, I want to test 190 SMK's in in the Rem 700 27" Rock 5r. I'm headin out sunday and am going to try this combo. Got steel hangin at 1000 and all points in between. I need to find a good starting load.

 

[JGorski]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunnyson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like I should give this a try myself.Current load is 150gr Hornady SST,46gr RL-15,Hornady Custom brass,Win LR primer.Still working at it but so far been great for hunting,3 deer between 260-285 yrds,all dropped in their tracks.Deer season winding down,means "target season" will be starting soon.In my enthusiam forgot to ad this is for .308 </div></div>

You should try or maybe you have tried 47grs RE with those 150SSTs? Works very well with 155AMAXs. These 2 5 shot groups were shot at 300yds, not too shabby, Ill try harder in the spring.

 

[MDM44]

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Stopped at 46gr, Lee manual calls max load 46.3 with 150gr bullet.Will try going up in .5gr increments till I start seeing pressure signs or loosing accuracy.Thanks,seems like I stopped a little to safely short.

 

[fred3]

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Looks like its not all bad good to have options

 

[Tx_Flyboy]

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Just got back from the range. I tested 178 AMAX and 150gr Hornady Soft points. Yeah, yeah, i know, but i got 600 free bullets (the 150grain softies)for buying the Hornady LNL + dies.

Here are my results. I will post up pics after i come back from my hunt tomorrow.

Rifle: DPMS LR-308 (hopelessly customized) with a 20" barrel.

178gr AMAX, LC brass (2x fired), Win LR primers, 46grains 2000-MR ----> .44MOA at 100yds.

150gr Hornady Soft point, Win brass, Win LR primer, 49grains 2000-MR ----> .47MOA at 100yds.

I havent back-calculated velocities yet. While i have a chrono, its a millenium CED...what a POS.
i will verify the loads above, as well as shoot at 300 & 200yds so i can figure out my velocities.

For the 178 AMAX, i went all the way to 47.5gr 2000-MR with no pressure sings in the LC brass...surprising. I will c if i can push up to 48gr in 0.2gr increments.

With the 150s, my starting load of 49 was surprisingly tight, and happened to be the accuracy node. I did however load up to 51gr, again with no pressure signs. I will push up to 53-53.5gr since 53gr is the value in Alliant's website for this type of bullet.

My final observation with this powder is that its all or nothing. Some of my groups were bad...2-3MOA bad, and then suddenly, Voila! Weird.

 

[BrettSass844]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308and300wbymag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Brettsass844 whats your elevation? and what was your coal on the 47.2 load??

Anyone try this in a 260rem with 140s??

thanks </div></div>

My elevation is around 1,500ish. I was using Win brass and my oal was the good ole standard 2.8". It was where I started the load development and never had to play with the seating depth. The rifle is currently under construction now and was rebarreled to a 284 on a SA. I have 2lbs of 2000MR I will be testing with the 162Amax and 175 Berger in the spring.

 

[Bob 964]

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Hornady Amax 208
PP2000MR (range 46.3 gr. to 48.7 gr.)
Savage 110FP with a 24" barrel and 1:10 twist.
Federal 210M primer
Hornady Match brass

OCW results - sweet spot was 47.6 gr. to 48.3 gr., with midpoint of 48.0 gr.
Maximum spread (48.0 gr.) of 1.55" (1.48 MOA)
ATC (48.0 gr.) of 0.659" (0.629 MOA)

 

[Ishallbie O'Cullkillin]

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Wow. That looks promising! I would like to test those combos myself for velocity. What kind of pressure signs did you see? My testing with 2000mr & 190smk's last sunday was pointless as I started way too low at 43.6gr. It yielded a tight .65" 5 shot group at 2540fps from a 26" Rock. Going back with a new batch of test loads soon.

 

[Bob 964]

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I did not experience any pressure signs. Chronograph readings for the 208 Amax with 48.0 gr. of the PP2000MR have been averaging around 2615 fps.

 

[Ishallbie O'Cullkillin]

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I recorded some data using 2000MR with 190SMKs last Sunday, It is as follows: Rem 700 .308, 26" Rock bbl 5R, F1 Chrony, overcast, 48deg F. 100yds.
44.2gr- 2570,2561,2559, .69".. 44.5gr- 2590,2592,2594, .73".. 44.8gr- 2606,2608,2608, .77".. 45.1gr- 2609,2626,2615, .84".. 45.4gr- 2640,2638,2643, .98".. 45.7gr- 2705,2653,2647, .91".. 46gr - 2665,2724,2669, .78".. 46.3gr- 2697,2696,2697, .70".. 46.6gr- 2736,2723,2712, .59".. All primers looked good. Barely noticeable ejector swipe on last two loads. Mild primer cratering on last load. The largest groups were horizontally stringing. First three groups and last three groups were clover shaped.

 

[deadnbrkn84]

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tag

 

[1lnbrdg]

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Can someone post a picture of the MR2000 please? I'm trying to picture if it's a ball or an extruded or what?

Thanks!

 

[pcschwenke]

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The powder is ball and very similar to bullseye or WST.

 

[throwback]

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Tag - Will work up some loads for 208gr A-Max and MR2k to post.

 

[mavrick10_2000]

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Tests are looking good from many folks. However, the outside temps aren't high enough to test it's temp sensitivity based on other alliant powders that crap the bed above 92*F with a serious spike in pressure.

I want to see load work ups 80F and below and then those same loads shot in 95-105F temps to see where things shake out before I even consider trying some.

 

[Huckleberry75]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MattK287</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I recorded some data using 2000MR with 190SMKs last Sunday, It is as follows: Rem 700 .308, 26" Rock bbl 5R, F1 Chrony, overcast, 48deg F. 100yds.
44.2gr- 2570,2561,2559, .69".. 44.5gr- 2590,2592,2594, .73".. 44.8gr- 2606,2608,2608, .77".. 45.1gr- 2609,2626,2615, .84".. 45.4gr- 2640,2638,2643, .98".. 45.7gr- 2705,2653,2647, .91".. 46gr - 2665,2724,2669, .78".. 46.3gr- 2697,2696,2697, .70".. 46.6gr- 2736,2723,2712, .59".. All primers looked good. Barely noticeable ejector swipe on last two loads. Mild primer cratering on last load. The largest groups were horizontally stringing. First three groups and last three groups were clover shaped.
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That 46.3 group's SD looks awfully tempting. I hope that you expand on this area and let us know what you find.