American Ammunition Company 77gr SMK HPBT
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At least 2 AR’s, 18” and 2 bolt guns, 26”. I’ve shot the AAC 77smk through them in the past, so it should be a fair comparison.
I can only go out to 300yds. Winds were gusting to over 30mph, so today wasn’t ideal.
I also snagged a couple boxes. Might try them later this week at 100y out of a bolt.
Not as bad as yours, but lots of little dents.
Not as bad as yours, but lots of little dents.
Well if there QC carried over into their projectiles then I’m sure it’s disappointing
are these the sierra or new production? Looking at the pics it seems that the OAL are all over the place.
These are the 77 OTM with the aac bullet.
OAL for a box of 20 were as follows.
1x 2.227
2x 2.232
1x 2.234
3x 2.236
4x 2.238
7x 2.239
2x 2.241
Also most had a pretty good mark on the rim.
18” Rainier Ultramatch
18” Rainier Rock Creek blank
I’d cleaned the barrel prior to this trip and used target 1 to foul the bore. Three groups from my bolt gun are also included on this target.
18” Rainier Rock Creek blank
I’d cleaned the barrel prior to this trip and used target 1 to foul the bore. Three groups from my bolt gun are also included on this target.
That seems high out of an 18". Is that barrel always fast? That is not much slower than black hills out of my 22" woa barrel.
Their stuff is usually pretty slow. So I’m surprised and hope it isn’t an anomaly
Maybe they bumped it up a bit. That would be great if they bumped up the matchking load too.
Avg 2782 S-D 24.6
ES 96
Series Shot Speed
29 1 2774 ft/s
29 2 2781 ft/s
29 3 2789 ft/s
29 4 2777 ft/s
29 5 2792 ft/s
29 6 2829 ft/s
29 7 2733 ft/s
29 8 2780 ft/s
29 9 2770 ft/s
29 10 2804 ft/s
If one were to remove shot 7, the Std. goes to 18.39 and ES drops to 59fps.
ES 96
Series Shot Speed
29 1 2774 ft/s
29 2 2781 ft/s
29 3 2789 ft/s
29 4 2777 ft/s
29 5 2792 ft/s
29 6 2829 ft/s
29 7 2733 ft/s
29 8 2780 ft/s
29 9 2770 ft/s
29 10 2804 ft/s
If one were to remove shot 7, the Std. goes to 18.39 and ES drops to 59fps.
I couldn't help myself. I just ordered 1000 rounds of it. Even if it sucks its not bad priced range ammo.
Testing of a LaRue MGU and Geissele upper with the AAC 77gr OTM thanks to a buddy. Neither upper had a bipod, so I used a front bag and small rear squeeze bag.
The LT upper was brand new, so it may group better after a few more rds and a good cleaning. I started in the upper left getting the optic zero’d and then fired groups, adjusting 0.3mil right between the first group and the remaining 2.
The G upper was quite surprising. I shot the middle group, then the two on the ends. I adjusted my hold technique after the middle group and each subsequent group had 4 very close together. It impressed me; as I don’t use a LPVO often. I think that running a different magazine or tweaking the gas tube could help the upper, but the ammo shot very respectable imo.
The LT upper was brand new, so it may group better after a few more rds and a good cleaning. I started in the upper left getting the optic zero’d and then fired groups, adjusting 0.3mil right between the first group and the remaining 2.
The G upper was quite surprising. I shot the middle group, then the two on the ends. I adjusted my hold technique after the middle group and each subsequent group had 4 very close together. It impressed me; as I don’t use a LPVO often. I think that running a different magazine or tweaking the gas tube could help the upper, but the ammo shot very respectable imo.
The IMI is WAY better. This stuff is good at 55cpr but their QC is horrible and inconsistent
If they can ever get it together though it will be a huge win and will eventually drive the price of competitions down if it is consistent.
Yeah there was a time where it wasn’t too expensive but that i feel like was pre covid and finding it on sale here and there. All i want is healthy competition so it drives the prices down. Right now what AAC is doing for new ammo this day in age even with the few issues with QC is unheard of. Even when i had my mk12 mod 1 and southwest ammunition was still in business it was 50-60c a round for remanufactured match ammo much less new.
Top 10 75 Hornady
Bottom 20 AAC 77 OTM
100y out of my Bolt Action.
Bottom 20 AAC 77 OTM
100y out of my Bolt Action.
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Just got home and measured the above target.
Biggest 77AAC OTM group was .894-.224=.670
Smallest 77AAC OTM group was
.552-.224=.328
I only shot what you see today. Cold clean bore was substantially off for the Hornady load. The AAC load seemed to start settling down after the first 10 shots.
Either way, it was better than expected.
Biggest 77AAC OTM group was .894-.224=.670
Smallest 77AAC OTM group was
.552-.224=.328
I only shot what you see today. Cold clean bore was substantially off for the Hornady load. The AAC load seemed to start settling down after the first 10 shots.
Either way, it was better than expected.
Those are 75 ELDM handloads.
One hole groups are pretty common with this gun and that load.
Shot 10 out of my MK12 with Douglas 18" barrel and AEM 5 can
Second row is my reloads 77 gr Sierra hpbt using Ramshot TAC 26 gr 2.25 oal
Also did some out of the 15.1" FN barrel with AEM 5 third row
Might up my load a little to see if 2800-2850 is doable
AAC TAC AAC
2861 2776 2715
2867 2783 2743
2873 2726 2749
2867 2772 2743
2836 2761 2772
2930
2867
2923
2886
2917
Second row is my reloads 77 gr Sierra hpbt using Ramshot TAC 26 gr 2.25 oal
Also did some out of the 15.1" FN barrel with AEM 5 third row
Might up my load a little to see if 2800-2850 is doable
AAC TAC AAC
2861 2776 2715
2867 2783 2743
2873 2726 2749
2867 2772 2743
2836 2761 2772
2930
2867
2923
2886
2917
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I was surprised as the spec on the box shoed 2700 but not the rifle or barrel length. Was hoping the load data was available.
Note they produce SMK as well as a generic OTM. Also TMK, but that’s not out yet AFAIK.
double digit SD's suck.....its in same family as factory M193 fodder
I've seen off shelf norma shoot single digit SD's for same/less $$$
I've seen off shelf norma shoot single digit SD's for same/less $$$
The SMK projectile is 77c/round while not on sale. The generic OTM is 55c, unless I’m mistaken.
Also find a dealer buddy.
I had “ok” results with the Norma offerings. The 69gr shot better than the 77’s iirc, but neither shot tighter groups than the AAC ammo. I never chrono’d those loads as the precision didn’t warrant further testing in my barrels.
I’ve got 360rds of their 6creed ammo left. It never shot nearly as good as the Prime, and seemed to copper up my barrel real fast. Not sure if it’s their jacket or what, but something seemed off.
That’s correct for the aac that just sounds hella cheap for norma. But then again my norma 175gr match has been cheap for 308
Hey Gents, just another guy throwing my experience here- shot 100 rounds of the new AAC 77gr myself, and wasn't impressed.
For Context, running a 14.5 suppressed (BCM/Aero, the Reddit special), nothing fancy. Never had any issues shooting sub-MOA with Black Hills/IMI Razorcore and thought I'd give the AAC a try, especially at a lower entry price.
First box held roughly MOA, no major issue.
Box 2 - 3 -Blown Primers, 2 dented rounds not fired
Box 3 - 5 - Blown Primers
Box 4 - 3 - Blown Primers, 1 dented round not fired
Box 5 (had spotter shoot) - 3 blown primers, shot out of his Criterion 18" Radian Build
All bought at the same time, so maybe a bad batch? Not worth the PP IMO to try again
I even shot other types of ammo throughout the day to ensure it wasn't a system issue, occurrence did not repeat with anything from white box 55gr to IMI 77s.
just my .02
Also if anyone has a criterion 18" core in .223 wylde... my DMs remain open....
For Context, running a 14.5 suppressed (BCM/Aero, the Reddit special), nothing fancy. Never had any issues shooting sub-MOA with Black Hills/IMI Razorcore and thought I'd give the AAC a try, especially at a lower entry price.
First box held roughly MOA, no major issue.
Box 2 - 3 -Blown Primers, 2 dented rounds not fired
Box 3 - 5 - Blown Primers
Box 4 - 3 - Blown Primers, 1 dented round not fired
Box 5 (had spotter shoot) - 3 blown primers, shot out of his Criterion 18" Radian Build
All bought at the same time, so maybe a bad batch? Not worth the PP IMO to try again
I even shot other types of ammo throughout the day to ensure it wasn't a system issue, occurrence did not repeat with anything from white box 55gr to IMI 77s.
just my .02
Also if anyone has a criterion 18" core in .223 wylde... my DMs remain open....
Having not shot more than 40 rounds (and no chono on any of it), it seems like these loads are on the hotter side even for 556 pressures. I did not have any issues in my 14.5" Rainier barrel though and all was sub MOA.
I am waiting until they have the TMK version available to get an idea of which shoots better for me
I am waiting until they have the TMK version available to get an idea of which shoots better for me
