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Amp plates 'legal' in NRL22?
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Welp, NRL22 has totally fucked themselves on this one.
Pic of one of their poster shooters popped up with an area419 plate. They got called on their hypocrisy (has nothing to do with the shooter), and they said it’s just a “rail mounted bag” even though it functions the exact same as a plate.
Yet again, when it’s convenient for a prs type governing body, they justify it with bullshit. Just when you thought things were changing for the better with shit like that.
Pic of one of their poster shooters popped up with an area419 plate. They got called on their hypocrisy (has nothing to do with the shooter), and they said it’s just a “rail mounted bag” even though it functions the exact same as a plate.
Yet again, when it’s convenient for a prs type governing body, they justify it with bullshit. Just when you thought things were changing for the better with shit like that.
They (at the last minute) sold mulligans at the National championship (.....yep, mulligan at a national championship) last year.
My buddy who runs a match sold mulligans at his local match. A 500 (perfect score) was shot with the mulligan. NRL22 did not allow the score to be recorded.
But a mulligan is ok for a national championship ?
??
Not for a local match that means nothing though.
My buddy who runs a match sold mulligans at his local match. A 500 (perfect score) was shot with the mulligan. NRL22 did not allow the score to be recorded.
But a mulligan is ok for a national championship ?
??Not for a local match that means nothing though.
At one time I was a member of the IHMSA, International Handgun Metallic Shooting Association. Early on the rules and regulations were very few. As things progressed we had all the crybabies and winners about the rules they could not win with. The organization tried to "make everything acceptable". As an end result by the time you finished reading the rule book and complying with everything the babies wanted, first off you had aged another year. Secondly no one could actually decipher the correct meaning of the regulations. Eventually due to this primarily the IHMSA membership declined to a point that today it is almost non existent. Do not let this happen with this new sport. Keep it Simple Stupid and have fun.
No one is complaining about rule complexity or about rules to suit every possible situation.
The issue here are "rules" that appear in many places except where they should: in the rulebook.
Do try to keep up
PS, it's very possible to write a rulebook that's comprehensive, objective, and fair. You just need to have intelligent, educated people do it. USPSA's rulebook is thorough and useful, yet fairly understandable. Is it perfect? Fuck no. Is it the best of all the shooting sports I've seriously competed in? By far.
Are gamer plates legal?
nrl22: many times no
oh, well heres a pic of a shooter you use as a poster a lot.....using area419’s plate. What’s up with that?
nrl22: oh that? That’s not a plate, that’s a rail mounted bag
There goes my membership renewal for next year.....
The idea that Nationals will have a separate rule set and (again) have rules in place that nobody knows about, or expects, makes it a huge turnoff for attending. I'm still hearing stories of things that happened at the last Nationals that most shooters didn't know were legal.
Very true. A bunch of us were chalking it up to growing pains.
But seems like shit show now. I’ll keep an open mind through nationals this coming May. But it ain’t looking good.
22 advisors is where the conversation took place and is supposedly a members only type page. Not sure how u become involved but this is where the original post occurred stating they were not kosher. I only learned it from fellow shooters at the last match. I certainly want to follow the rules the way they were intended but didn't know either until then
So that is ok? If it is I will use mine next time. That's exactly what I was told wasn't legal which prompted this discussion
Honestly? Who fucking knows at this point.
The initial response from nrl22 implies it’s fine (though it was really to maintain their image and not have to eat crow), but they are catching a lot of shit for it. So who knows at this point.
Major point: the shooter in the pic is NOT the issue. The nrl22’s hypocrisy and bullshit response is.
On the bright side, I now have a rail mounted bag:
The common sense way to proceed w/ this debacle is to to issue one clear cut set of rules. These rules would bind all, high & low or not at all.
*Note the pic below & I agree the shooter is not the problem.
Rules unilaterally imposed in the middle a season are rarely good ideas. Let the current rules stand til season’s end & draft a rule change. This will clarify rules for all to follow.
*A knee jerk reaction or making up rules in the middle of the season simply “because I don’t like it” is sure go over well w/ your members.
*Note the pic below & I agree the shooter is not the problem.
Rules unilaterally imposed in the middle a season are rarely good ideas. Let the current rules stand til season’s end & draft a rule change. This will clarify rules for all to follow.
*A knee jerk reaction or making up rules in the middle of the season simply “because I don’t like it” is sure go over well w/ your members.
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Part of the issue is nrl22’s original (and current?) intent is for new/youth shooters.
But anytime you give away prizes, post scores, and hold national championships, that’s gonna be at odds with this intent.
So has anyone confirmed that Area419's railchanger is OK but a stand alone plate is not?
Yes it was. That post has been removed to not draw too much negative attention on the shooter (who is a junior).
So, now it’s anyone’s guess. Hopefully nrl22 will address it properly/officially.
Here’s the response from NRL22 director concerning that pic.
Make sure you take note of the second paragraph where he makes sure to put the blame on the members and not the management for causing confusion. Also note where he says it’s not an arca plate, merely a “Rail mounted bag.”
Because clearly, the membership isn’t smart enough to know it functions exactly the same as an arca plate (and will actually hold a bag, which we arca plate won’t do).
So, while I have in the past defended nrl22, I can’t defend this. Putting the blame on the membership and refusing to take responsibility isn’t a good idea.
Not to mention in a post about the item in question, he makes it clearly known it should be the MD discretion, yet is taking the discretion away.
Unless something drastically changes, I won’t be spending $1k+ to travel to the national championship. I’m only one person and don’t matter. But my opinion is that second paragraph is not from an organization I am willing to support.
For what it’s worth, I’m assuming the 419 plate will not be legal eirher.
Thomas, I sincerely do not understand why you are so upset. If you tell me what we have done that is so wrong I will tell you my side of the story.
My point, once again is that this sport is changing rapidly. The OP was upset about an Arca plate (which is new) but this is in fact a rail mounted bag (which is newer). MY POINT once again is that the sport is evolving. NRL22 is and has always been a one bag shoot. None of these things are legal. The plate and the bag is both illegal.
Things have changed so fast that the OP misidentified what he was so upset about. THAT was my point. They are both not allowed. The Rules are clearly written and published. The COF is clearly written and published. Every COF ever published with the exception of the Positional stages all say "one bag the size of a volleyball or smaller". But that isn't good enough. Shooters and MDs keep pushing. We say "its up to the MD to interpret the rules and COF that everyone has". That isn't good enough. So look, it's written in the rules and the COF, and you want a definitive answer, it isn't allowed.
USPSA is the gold standard in rules, but ask yourself when the last time a major game changing anything was introduced to competition pistol shooting? Were their rules so squared away at 2 years? During this time, were they able to get 70+ clubs a month internationally participating? Did they have social media and instantaneous pictures to contend with? Do you realize that people take our COF, use it and post it on social media as an NRL22 match with out ever reading the rules or posting any scores? These are the things I deal with as a volunteer every day.
You have a bone to pick. Why? Ask yourself this, do you ever have the opportunity to speak one on one with the originator and administer of the organization? I am here trying to listen and help. I have read this entire thread with an open mind. We have never changed the rules, the shooters and MDs are trying to game the rules. They ask for clarification, we provide clarification. Never did we ever change the rules.
A lot of times the tone of the written word is misinterpreted. My tone here is with respect, and my intention is to get you to understand.
With respect,
Tyler Frehner
NRL22 originator and director of match operations
Is there a way you could say that, that is not on the Facebook page discussion. You have a forum on your website that is not utilized at all. Instead of the Facebook discussion maybe could that have happened where EVERYONE could have read the exchange saying not legal. When a question comes up and people start posting clips and responses from places like Facebook discussions it causes confusion. I understand you don't want to be on the internet having debates on if this or that is legal all day but as you say thing change quickly so maybe just a clarification statement where all us little people can view it. Hell lock it down so no comments I just would like to be able to see it. I know this is hard for some young people to grasp but not everyone has Facebook Twitter Twatter whatever. The more you can keep in the light the easier it is for everyone to see.
You say clearly written it is clearly written to you. Not everyone has the knowledge background or experience as you writing or compiling the rules. So it might not be clear to everyone no matter how simple you think it is. Sometimes a qualifying statement is needed. Again your forum would be a good place for that. Using your forum would also help you control the discussion and not have people not associated with your group sounding like they are speaking on your behalf telling people with a question or concern stop your pissing and moaning if you don't like it leave. I don't think that is the message the nrl22 would want to portray. At least I would hope not.
You say clearly written it is clearly written to you. Not everyone has the knowledge background or experience as you writing or compiling the rules. So it might not be clear to everyone no matter how simple you think it is. Sometimes a qualifying statement is needed. Again your forum would be a good place for that. Using your forum would also help you control the discussion and not have people not associated with your group sounding like they are speaking on your behalf telling people with a question or concern stop your pissing and moaning if you don't like it leave. I don't think that is the message the nrl22 would want to portray. At least I would hope not.
Tyler, I appreciate your carefully thought out and worded response. I also think that there are far fewer rogue MDs than it may seem from our responses to this thread. It serves to open the discussion regarding the terms Open Class and MD Discretion.
Truthfully, I do not (or at least did not until now) see the arca plate as a bag. Just as I don’t think that skid plates and barricade stops are bags. Interestingly enough, the Area 419 attachment is most certainly perceived as a bag, simply because, well, it has a bag on it, lol.
Personally, I think that as you grow, you may find that getting involved in categorizing every new piece of equipment is going to become a path you’ll wish you never started down. Humans will ALWAYS push the limits. It’s human nature. Wherever there are rules, there will be those that try to gain an advantage by finding the edges and limits of those rules. It’s in our DNA. I feel that open class should be where the big boys and girls play and that innovation and creativity should be encouraged. However, it’s not my show, not my rodeo.
Truthfully, I do not (or at least did not until now) see the arca plate as a bag. Just as I don’t think that skid plates and barricade stops are bags. Interestingly enough, the Area 419 attachment is most certainly perceived as a bag, simply because, well, it has a bag on it, lol.
Personally, I think that as you grow, you may find that getting involved in categorizing every new piece of equipment is going to become a path you’ll wish you never started down. Humans will ALWAYS push the limits. It’s human nature. Wherever there are rules, there will be those that try to gain an advantage by finding the edges and limits of those rules. It’s in our DNA. I feel that open class should be where the big boys and girls play and that innovation and creativity should be encouraged. However, it’s not my show, not my rodeo.
There you go again.......claiming what is obviously a plate (that happens to attach a bag) simply a rail mounted bag.
Can you really believe this shit so much you eep reciting it as though you’re smarter than everyone? Or is your pride too big to not accept when you have totally screwed up a ruling/situation?
Again, your attitude is becoming the larger issue here.
You’re calling it a “rail mounted bag” when a shooter you use as poster child is show using one as proof that your organization did a piss poor job at arbitrarily making a piece of gear not allowed.
When faced with said picture, you had two choices:
1: admit you guys didn’t do a good job of rolling out the rule change and tell members you’ll fix it in the future
2: tell members they don’t know what they are looking at, that piece of gear isn’t even what they think it is. Take no responsibility for a clusterfuck confusion you’ve created by giving a couple people a rule ruling (that can’t be found in the published rules) without communicating to the entire membership via a reasonable means.
You have made several posts in the last day. NOT a single one have hinted even a tiny amount that you take any responsibility for making a major ruling without informing much of the membership base.
I’d re-consider what you at nrl22 consider professional when you feel you constantly have to keep saying people can’t tell what a plate is.
My small issue started as “they need to be consistent, but meh, growing pains, to “the director is making comments in which insult the intelligence of the members while at the same time not taking even the slightest responsibility.”
“My intention her is to get you to understand.”
Yet another comment deflecting any personal responsibility and putting it off on the member/s.
The rules clearly state “it’s up to the MD” and you took that discretion away from the MD. If you can’t see that as a very clear rule change, I don’t know what to tell you.
Shooters aren’t trying to game something when they are using a plate (made by one of your sponsors) that is being used at match any match in the country.
Again, another comment about how shooters and MDs are are at fault. Zero nrl22 fault though right.
But, I urge you to keep making posts where you blame the members or MD’s for the miscommunication problems you have a large hand in. No one is usually 100% at fault, and definitely so in this case. But you can’t seem to allow yourself to take even a shred of responsibility.
My “bone” to pick is when you blame the membership for everything, and tell the membership they aren’t even smart enough to figure what a plat is, just because it holds a bag on the bottom.
Which one of these two items is a plate that increases stability:
And which one is a plate that also increases stability while ALSO adding the option to attach a bag?
And which one is a plate that also increases stability while ALSO adding the option to attach a bag?
He‘s calling it simply a “rail mounted bag” because people posted the pic in an effort to show the rules weren’t being communicated properly.
Chose pride over taking two steps back. Told everyone “that’s not a even a plate, it’s a rail mounted bag.” An attempt of wording to make it seem like they just hadn’t had it thrown in their face their rules were either A: not being followed or B: not communicated properly.
A simple “yes that is a piece of gear not allowed, and it seems we haven’t gotten the word out correctly. We will in the future. Sorry for any confusion this may have caused.”
Would have killed this before it even became an issue. It would have taken responsibility while at the same time not putting any blame on the shooter in the pic or MD who may or may not have known it wasn’t allowed.
To be clear, I'm on the side of not changing the rules at all mid-season. That being said, I think it's fair to say that a bag is not a plate, and a plate is not a bag. Sure, they'll provide similar benefits depending on how you use them, but they are completely different, regardless of how the bag is attached or not attached.
Keep it consistent and clear and everyone will be on the same playing field. If you want to compete with the kid running a plate, or bag, or whatever, go buy one. That's the point of open class.
The idea about additional rules in the COF is a decent compromise. Each stage will have the guidelines laid out and, theoretically, everyone in the world will follow those same rules. The rules are written down, so the argument about not being able to see the rules on Facebook or whatever isn't valid in this case.
There's not a damn thing you can do about "rogue MDs" or people that willfully cheat though. That's life, and life ain't fair.
Ultimately, it shouldn't matter though. Don't change shit in the middle of the season and you'd be all good.
Keep it consistent and clear and everyone will be on the same playing field. If you want to compete with the kid running a plate, or bag, or whatever, go buy one. That's the point of open class.
The idea about additional rules in the COF is a decent compromise. Each stage will have the guidelines laid out and, theoretically, everyone in the world will follow those same rules. The rules are written down, so the argument about not being able to see the rules on Facebook or whatever isn't valid in this case.
There's not a damn thing you can do about "rogue MDs" or people that willfully cheat though. That's life, and life ain't fair.
Ultimately, it shouldn't matter though. Don't change shit in the middle of the season and you'd be all good.
Hi, Tyler - thanks for weighing in. A couple of questions/comments, if you don't mind (also intended with respect)...
If I'm reading this right, you're saying the A419 Rail Changer plate/bag combo (as shown in the pic earlier in the thread) is NOT legal, correct? So, that would put it on par w/ the ruling on an Arca rail mounted plate that is then placed on top of of a bag (ala the GreyOps AMP Plate or similar).
So, what I read you saying is - if it's not specifically stated as allowed in the rules or COF, it's not allowed. As a competitor, how do I square this with rule 5.B.4, which describes Open class equipment restrictions, and says "Open class shooters have no restrictions on equipment." Is this meant to be interpreted as something like "action, barrel, scope, stock, trigger are all up to the shooter, with all other support equipment to be detailed in the COF"?
On the USPSA front, no, the rules as they were initially written were relatively simple (I have a copy somewhere), but evolved quickly when they started trying to run competitions physically separated from Cooper's original match (necessitated by the same sort of growing pains you're describing). I don't think anyone is saying that USPSA was "perfect" or completely formed from the outset - far from it. However, they didn't have the benefit of observing another shooting org ruleset that went through similar growing pains, when trying to provide a "freestyle" (as IPSC/USPSA calls it) experience for the shooter. What folks are pointing out is that you could leverage the experience built there to jump well forward on the growing pain curve, and skip a lot of the errors and pain that USPSA had in growing their sport and rule set.
Their rule set does consider what evidence is allowable for consideration, and they definitely deal with similar issues via social media (including several recent cases of cheating involved PractiScore that have been heavily discussed via social media).
I recognize this is how you see it - you live in your own brain and understand your intent, so you have particular insight to the interpretation of the rules. You're the only person with that benefit. One of the common issues with leadership is clarity of communication. You should take this thread as evidence that you haven't clearly communicated your intent as it applies to Open class rules, and how it might apply to support equipment. If you had, there would be no question to ask. If one were to simply read the rules, one were to think that any equipment is allowed in Open class. When I encounter situations like this in my own role as a leader, I take it as an opportunity to improve my communications, and a chance to grow.
What most people here are asking for is transparency in the clarification provided. To date, if one weren't a member of the private NRL Advisors group on Facebook, or actively watching every awards broadcast video, they wouldn't have benefit of the clarification. I don't see asking for it to be published on the website as being something that should cause so much consternation?
As someone actively attempting to spin up an NRL match at a local club, this kind of thing makes it tough to figure out how to proceed, honestly.
If I'm reading this right, you're saying the A419 Rail Changer plate/bag combo (as shown in the pic earlier in the thread) is NOT legal, correct? So, that would put it on par w/ the ruling on an Arca rail mounted plate that is then placed on top of of a bag (ala the GreyOps AMP Plate or similar).
So, what I read you saying is - if it's not specifically stated as allowed in the rules or COF, it's not allowed. As a competitor, how do I square this with rule 5.B.4, which describes Open class equipment restrictions, and says "Open class shooters have no restrictions on equipment." Is this meant to be interpreted as something like "action, barrel, scope, stock, trigger are all up to the shooter, with all other support equipment to be detailed in the COF"?
On the USPSA front, no, the rules as they were initially written were relatively simple (I have a copy somewhere), but evolved quickly when they started trying to run competitions physically separated from Cooper's original match (necessitated by the same sort of growing pains you're describing). I don't think anyone is saying that USPSA was "perfect" or completely formed from the outset - far from it. However, they didn't have the benefit of observing another shooting org ruleset that went through similar growing pains, when trying to provide a "freestyle" (as IPSC/USPSA calls it) experience for the shooter. What folks are pointing out is that you could leverage the experience built there to jump well forward on the growing pain curve, and skip a lot of the errors and pain that USPSA had in growing their sport and rule set.
Their rule set does consider what evidence is allowable for consideration, and they definitely deal with similar issues via social media (including several recent cases of cheating involved PractiScore that have been heavily discussed via social media).
I recognize this is how you see it - you live in your own brain and understand your intent, so you have particular insight to the interpretation of the rules. You're the only person with that benefit. One of the common issues with leadership is clarity of communication. You should take this thread as evidence that you haven't clearly communicated your intent as it applies to Open class rules, and how it might apply to support equipment. If you had, there would be no question to ask. If one were to simply read the rules, one were to think that any equipment is allowed in Open class. When I encounter situations like this in my own role as a leader, I take it as an opportunity to improve my communications, and a chance to grow.
What most people here are asking for is transparency in the clarification provided. To date, if one weren't a member of the private NRL Advisors group on Facebook, or actively watching every awards broadcast video, they wouldn't have benefit of the clarification. I don't see asking for it to be published on the website as being something that should cause so much consternation?
As someone actively attempting to spin up an NRL match at a local club, this kind of thing makes it tough to figure out how to proceed, honestly.
So just for everyone's edification I am the MD from the shoot with the "Plate" in the pictures that was posted. I had no idea we weren't allowed to use them. I am certainly not Rouge and run a good match, we follow the rules as I know them. One important item to note is we who compete at local matches do just that compete locally. Our local points are divided by those who shoot together at that match, winners there all share the same weather, wind and MD, those sole local winners get their 100 points. Its the disdain few who seem a place of false importance by comparing their raw score to anyone else. I'm not saying you shouldn't be proud of having the high score and champion those that do, just remember we all shot in different conditions. Once a year we have the chance to compete on the same stage, earn your way there and win that and then be prideful. Additionally, I like most people who work and have a family don't have time to watch the Live Award's each month. I think I may have caught 2 since the league started. Also I wasn't even aware until last month that there was even a NRL 22 Advisory MD page. No Worries I'm in the process of getting that fixed. As for finding this thread, I was steered hear by people who aren't to keen on men using youth as example for their agenda. Next time have taste and wait to make your point with an adult.
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I would agree with this, but to be fair no one mentioned the shooter's age - and since, personally, I don't care to follow every possible group and NRL22 match thread in the world, I would have had no idea who that shooter is, that shooter's age, or anything else. Further, and I may have missed it, I didn't see anyone post anything about how they let a youth get away with using it, just that someone did and that it was called a plate with a bag attached or whatever.
Those people who even suggest it was “using a teen” are assholes to begin with.
I had zero to do with the picture that made its way here or online. What I do see is a top national shooter is is used all the time as a poster child(no pun intended) who was using a piece of gear that presumably wasn’t allowed. The age of the shooter doesn’t matter at all. And the shooter did nothing wrong at all either. I do agree it’s unfortunate who the shooter in the pic happened to be.
And you just made a point of some of the issues here. You had no idea the legality of the item (because you were using published rules)......and you barely had any clue of the advisors page where these rules were being clarified (and you’re an MD).
Unfortunately, at the moment, “rogue MD” means an MD who didn’t happen to see a post or three clarifying the rule.
Let me be understood then, I shouldn't have said "using". I just think as adults we should think of the content we are using to make an example. Maybe next time don't jump the gun when you found a pic to prove your point, think of how it might be seen by others.
Awesome reply. Wish I had said it so well and I failed to do so. Thanks for the thought out response.
I am not involved with the NRL22, although it sounded interesting and I’ve been meaning to look for local matches when I have time at some point. I have to say, this thread is simply mind boggling. I cannot begin to understand how anyone can think it’s OK to have unpublished rules, or unpublished interpretations of rules. It is obvious and beyond dispute that these rules have not been adequately communicated to the shooters, the match directors, and the public.
And yet, Tyler’s response reads to me as mostly an explanation of why NRL22 is right and everyone else is wrong. I hope that he can learn from this thread and greatly improve communication, or perhaps step aside and let someone else try it.
And yet, Tyler’s response reads to me as mostly an explanation of why NRL22 is right and everyone else is wrong. I hope that he can learn from this thread and greatly improve communication, or perhaps step aside and let someone else try it.
I’d still look for local matches and shoot if I were you. The actual shooting and people are the fun parts.
Whether you choose to become a member of an organization based in whatever criteria you like, is another conversation.
But get out there and shoot matches. Be it nrl22 or some other .22 match. They are lots of fun.
I definitely will. I’m just amazed by the attitudes displayed by some in this thread.
I’m in that category and can be an ass at (many) times. For that I apologize as my demeanor is rough around the edges. But I don’t like blatant refusal to take responsibility and attempting to be clever with wording to avoid said responsibility.
You weren’t one of the ones I was talking about. I’m not Little Miss Sunshine either, but the NRL22 defenders in this thread seem really out to lunch.
The OP (me) wasn't upset. Just seeking clarification so I can follow the rules as I am supposed to.
And yes, my original inquiry was in regard to the Area 419 railchanger X with gamechanger that attaches to the plate. Is that legal or not? Still confused.
Also, just for my own curiosity, when a stage lists the equipment list and it states 'one bag only the size of a volleyball or smaller'. I see many shooters (including myself as I have learned from many others and pics on social media), shooting with the said bag in the rear of the rifle and a bipod for support in the front when the equipment list does not mention a bipod. Is this correct or is it just a bag, and no bipod?
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The bipod is assumed as part of the rifle. Unless stated “unsupported” bipod is allowed.
[Note, I am a nobody in NRL22 or NRL and my words have no weight in interpreting rules -- I'm calling it as _I_ see it not what someone else has determined.]
As I understand it NRL22 was originally conceived as an offshoot of NRL to allow for off-season training and to bring new people into the sport. Based on that, I would expect the open class to be allowed all the same equipment that is legal in NRL at large. If plates are banned for centerfire NRL as well then I guess I find that confusing but appreciate the consistency.
A plate is a hard part, not a bag. You are allowed one bag smaller than a volleyball (which I take to mean gamechanger yes, fat bag no) and open class is (or should be) unrestricted on hard equipment (plates, stabilizing nacelles, barrel tuners, multiple bipods, side mounted scopes, whatever floats your boat). If you want to mount your one bag on your rifle (straps, arca, QD, hose clamps, whatever) you be you but it is still your one bag.
So unless the shooter pictured is also using a rear bag then I see nothing wrong with using a area419 railchanger, with or without the bag attached. Too bad I don't make the NRL22 rules.
Base class can and should certainly be limited, somewhat looser than a spec rifle but tighter than "just don't change the barrel or action" -- want to require that base class rifles only use swivel and pic mounts and not arca? Go ahead, sounds like a good idea to me. That definitely eliminates most new equipment developed in the past two years as well as most upcoming equipment evolutions.
I agree with everyone else that mid season rule changes should be an extreme action (to me, a safety issue would justify such a thing, not a minor equipment change) and it is incumbent on the organization to shout such a thing from the rooftops, emailing all members and publishing the new rule as an addendum directly alongside the link to download the regular rules. It is up to shooters to ensure they comply with rules, if anyone should be aware of changes it is the shooters. Far better to know not to bring (and stop practicing with) a piece of ineligible equipment than to be surprised at a match that it can't be used.
As I understand it NRL22 was originally conceived as an offshoot of NRL to allow for off-season training and to bring new people into the sport. Based on that, I would expect the open class to be allowed all the same equipment that is legal in NRL at large. If plates are banned for centerfire NRL as well then I guess I find that confusing but appreciate the consistency.
A plate is a hard part, not a bag. You are allowed one bag smaller than a volleyball (which I take to mean gamechanger yes, fat bag no) and open class is (or should be) unrestricted on hard equipment (plates, stabilizing nacelles, barrel tuners, multiple bipods, side mounted scopes, whatever floats your boat). If you want to mount your one bag on your rifle (straps, arca, QD, hose clamps, whatever) you be you but it is still your one bag.
So unless the shooter pictured is also using a rear bag then I see nothing wrong with using a area419 railchanger, with or without the bag attached. Too bad I don't make the NRL22 rules.
Base class can and should certainly be limited, somewhat looser than a spec rifle but tighter than "just don't change the barrel or action" -- want to require that base class rifles only use swivel and pic mounts and not arca? Go ahead, sounds like a good idea to me. That definitely eliminates most new equipment developed in the past two years as well as most upcoming equipment evolutions.
I agree with everyone else that mid season rule changes should be an extreme action (to me, a safety issue would justify such a thing, not a minor equipment change) and it is incumbent on the organization to shout such a thing from the rooftops, emailing all members and publishing the new rule as an addendum directly alongside the link to download the regular rules. It is up to shooters to ensure they comply with rules, if anyone should be aware of changes it is the shooters. Far better to know not to bring (and stop practicing with) a piece of ineligible equipment than to be surprised at a match that it can't be used.
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I am not a complainer, but the entire idea is that monthly matches are standardized. Not following the COF is not at all cool if anyone from your match is posting scores.
On the other hand, a MD not Turing in scores is not cool unless he lets everyone shooting know beforehand! ~ Hell last year I won every local I shot, yet had no scores turned in, I only found out when I checked once I considered going to the National match.
tra stages should not be factored into the score that is posted to the NRL site but fine for the local match to base their winner etc.
MDs and shooters need to work together to stay inbounds. Part of the reason in my opinion that these matches are so successful (other than they work on just about any rifle range that has 100 yards) is that it is standardized, simple, non-intimidating and takes very little time commitment to shoot a match. If we get away from these things you might just loose the incredible amount of new shooters attached to positional shooting.
Keep that stuff straight forward and let open use whatever.. and if the COF creator doesn’t want a bipod used say no bipod.. that’s what we do in our centerfire matches.
I need to thank our match director.
I hadn't any idea how much lack of drama we've enjoyed.
As a new entity I'll give them the chance to iron out these problems as the come.
YMMV
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I hadn't any idea how much lack of drama we've enjoyed.
As a new entity I'll give them the chance to iron out these problems as the come.
YMMV
R
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