Any advice for me on dealing with Gang Bangers?

[The King]

So... looks like I’ve been bracketed by bangers. They robbed our neighborhood and shot up one of my cars a little last month.

Last night they hit me again and jacked a few boxes of ammo out of my car.

So based on their take from the first robbery they know that I’m a gun owner. The second robbery was targeting gun Stuff.

A third one is coming. I guarantee it. And I’m thinking it’s going to do the armed Home invasion sort of thing.

Right now I have taken a few precautions.

A) cameras that record off site.
B) a hardened armory room with cameras and much theft resistance
C) everything but my ready rifle and pistol is gone. No longer on premises.
And
D) moving to Montana or Idaho this month.

Anyone recommend anything magical that might be additionally wise?

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

Friends who are also armed with rifles preferably? Otherwise I'd think it'll scare the other hyenas off if you can tag the pointman.. Obviously being ready for worst case tho.
Any chance you have NVG/NOD's? Plate carrier + rifle plate? You know your house best.. any chance to get em single file in the dark I'd probably make my stand there. Even better if it's from upstairs floor.

 

[Veer_G]

Gargoyles perched on the roof.

Hey, you did say magical.

 

[FatBoy]

Move if you can. If these guys have an IQ above 30 they'll just sit on the house until they know it's empty. Not sure how you could deal with this.

 

[Mattio]

refresh your mind with your sates laws on self-defense maybe? Sounds like you have most of your bases covered. One thing id recommend is a motion sensor with an audible alarm. I've used cheap ones from harbor freight, mounted the sensors near my driveway, front and back door with the alarm in the hall outside my master bedroom. Gives me plenty of notice that someone is outside my house and/or around my cars.

 

[Rthur]

Flashbang/trip wire( may be hard to come by)
Motion detecting lighting
Trail cams hidden along front ingress.
Big ass dog.
Electric fencer(I can give solid ideas for this one)
Basically things they aren't used to seeing or dealing with.

R

 

[The King]

I am glad I selected this house for defensibility.

They cannot come upstairs except single file in one place.

 

[The King]

I have the big ass dog. And the cameras. It’s urban so no fence.

Flashbang/trip wire( may be hard to come by)
Motion detecting lighting
Trail cams hidden along front ingress.
Big ass dog.
Electric fencer(I can give solid ideas for this one)
Basically things they aren't used to seeing or dealing with.

R

 

[Veer_G]

Well, I guess, OP, that you've now figured out not to leave tell-tale shit behind in your car. Too late, though, in order to do much more than wait for them. Passive means of recording them are fine, but short of staying home and playing stakeout, you're going to drop a ton of cash on a location that you intend to vacate if you harden it. I'd go bare minimum, and relocate everything except for some toiletries, a sleeping bag, a few changes of clothes, a spork, a case of Dinty Moore, a case of bottled water, a P-38, sidearm, rifle, magazines, and ammo.

Rotsa ruck, Rambo.

 

[101stinfantry]

Claymores, Mk 19? I agree that they are gonna sit on it, until they know no ones home.

 

[MrSmith]

Call the cops. Tell them you've been targeted and explain how you know. Make sure you tell them how scared you are that they will do a home invasion. You have 911 on speed dial but you're really scared for your life. Ask for them to increase patrols in the area but you know they have a large area to cover. Let 'em know you are proficient with firearms, don't want to kill anybody but you will call them while barricaded in the bedroom as you scream "Don't come in here I'm armed" to the invaders .. if you make it that far.

How it actually goes down may be somewhat different, but, the cops know a prudent man made them aware of and prepared for an life threatening assault that may occur before he could move to get away from the threat.

Thank you,
MrSmith

 

[alfack]

Whatever you decide, do not rely on the police for help. One of the reasons I moved to Idaho is the degradation of the old hood and the low-life scum moving in.

 

[missed]

Leave a couple boxes of ammo in the car that have been loaded to the brim with the hottest pistol powder......

 

[oneshot86]

put the word out on the street that you want some ass, if they are bangers they will come back to fuck with you, prank them w non lethal boody traps.
then if they want the hot sauce, give it to them...

call the cops??? hardy har har. good luck

 

[Rthur]

I have the big ass dog. And the cameras. It’s urban so no fence.

Not this kind of fence:

This kind:

Easy set up.
12500 volts at one amp will make you piss your pants.
Hard to see in the dark.
R

 

[1J04]

Brother, I got a shit ton of good ideas, but then again I'm pretty certain most of us have the exact same thoughts and they're best kept under wraps. What I am willing to express here though is simply this, GET THE FUCK OUTTA THERE ASAP. Leave it to their like minded ilk to take care of the dirty work for all of us. It's only a matter of time before they're either dead or incarcerated. In the meantime, just diddy the hell out.

 

[jg6.5]

Move if you can. If these guys have an IQ above 30 they'll just sit on the house until they know it's empty. Not sure how you could deal with this.

This is most likely true unfortunately. Criminals will take a free ride (i.e. no resistance) every chance they get.

refresh your mind with your sates laws on self-defense maybe? Sounds like you have most of your bases covered. One thing id recommend is a motion sensor with an audible alarm. I've used cheap ones from harbor freight, mounted the sensors near my driveway, front and back door with the alarm in the hall outside my master bedroom. Gives me plenty of notice that someone is outside my house and/or around my cars.

This, 1000x. Whatever you do, DO NOT manufacturer any circumstances to lead to a confrontation. This can be construed as premeditation and get you convicted of first degree murder at the absolute worst.

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

True. Don't wanna get arrested. Lol if you snuff 4 of them all bunched up in a hall/stairway, it ain't gonna look real neighborly..

 

[alpine44]

First, ask yourself whether you -with the help of others- are able to drain the swamp completely.
There are neighborhoods that can be saved. Others are too far gone to clean the vermin out within the confines of the law. In the latter case, the best strategy is to move ASAP and to watch the self-destruction of these ghettos from a safe distance.

If you decide to stand and fight, seek professional advice about your rights of self-defense in CO, and proceed along the lines quoted below to create a documented trail of your situation.

Call the cops. Tell them you've been targeted and explain how you know. Make sure you tell them how scared you are that they will do a home invasion. You have 911 on speed dial but you're really scared for your life. Ask for them to increase patrols in the area but you know they have a large area to cover. Let 'em know you are proficient with firearms, don't want to kill anybody but you will call them while barricaded in the bedroom as you scream "Don't come in here I'm armed" to the invaders .. if you make it that far.

How it actually goes down may be somewhat different, but, the cops know a prudent man made them aware of and prepared for an life threatening assault that may occur before he could move to get away from the threat.

Thank you,
MrSmith

In case of a showdown, take down those who threaten you with deadly force and bearspray the sh!t out of the rest. (Add OC spay and other less-lethal tools to your kit).

Before any surviving intruders leave your premises either into custody or into the "wild" explain to these thugs in a context they understand (e.g. knife point to the eye) what is going to happen if they ever appear uninvited in your space again.

(In the case of a repeat encounter any part of their criminal rap sheet is now admissible in court to defend your -most likely harsher- actions as this information was know to you at the time of the encounter and weighs into your "reasonable self-defense" assessment. OTOH, if you encounter a violent criminal for the first time, their criminal history is generally inadmissible for your defense against excessive force charges.)

 

[jg6.5]

True. Don't wanna get arrested. Lol if you snuff 4 of them all bunched up in a hall/stairway, it ain't gonna look real neighborly..

If they kicked in a locked door, broke a locked window, or otherwise forced their way into your house, it doesn't matter if you stopped 4 or 14 of them...they were in your house and weren't supposed to be. Depending on your state's castle doctrine/self defense laws, they're more or less paid for.

Now, if you left your front door open with the lights on, you could have an enterprising young DA with an axe to grind try to prove that you were trying to bait them into the house, i.e. manufacturing a circumstance.

 

[...]

1) Replace all of the screws that hold your door hinges and lock plates on with 3-4" deck screws.....this will connect the hinges directly into the stud

and add a second deadbolt to all exterior doors.

this will make the doors nearly impossible to kick in.


2) install motion lights around the perimeter of your house.

3) plant some thorny bushes under all of your exposed windows.

4) put some interior lights on timers that go on and off when you are not home......they are going to try and hit when you are not home, make that harder for them to determine that.

5) get a home alarm system that will call the police......ADT has cellular systems with back up power.....you can get glass break sensors and door sensors thatll trip the alarm......you can also get a "panic button" that you can keep bedside that will call the police as well.

 

[Maggot]

Call the cops. Tell them you've been targeted and explain how you know. Make sure you tell them how scared you are that they will do a home invasion. You have 911 on speed dial but you're really scared for your life. Ask for them to increase patrols in the area but you know they have a large area to cover. Let 'em know you are proficient with firearms, don't want to kill anybody but you will call them while barricaded in the bedroom as you scream "Don't come in here I'm armed" to the invaders .. if you make it that far.

How it actually goes down may be somewhat different, but, the cops know a prudent man made them aware of and prepared for an life threatening assault that may occur before he could move to get away from the threat.

Thank you,
MrSmith

Dont just call, put in a return receipt letter so you have a solid paper trail showing that you did all you could. If they kick the door or window in "Kill them all and let God sort it out." You are entitled to protect your home and family.

 

[The King]

I don't think it would have mattered in some ways - the G wagen is a pretty blatant robbery target flag anyway.

Well, I guess, OP, that you've now figured out not to leave tell-tale shit behind in your car. Too late, though, in order to do much more than wait for them. Passive means of recording them are fine, but short of staying home and playing stakeout, you're going to drop a ton of cash on a location that you intend to vacate if you harden it. I'd go bare minimum, and relocate everything except for some toiletries, a sleeping bag, a few changes of clothes, a spork, a case of Dinty Moore, a case of bottled water, a P-38, sidearm, rifle, magazines, and ammo.

Rotsa ruck, Rambo.

 

[The King]

The cops are quite aware of the whole thing. And its in writing in the reports.

I was a concealed carry instructor for 10 years - I know exactly how fucked up our "justice" system is with regards to justifiable shootings. I have no intention of entering that cycle unless I'm given the choice between my (or my kids) life and theirs.

 

[alpine44]

I don't think it would have mattered in some ways - the G wagen is a pretty blatant robbery target flag anyway.

The G-wagen in front of your house opens up some other possibilities: Just put some ridiculously inappropriate wheels on the Merc and maybe they leave you alone, thinking that you are The King pin.

Seriously, I guess by now you have figured out like many others in suburbia that putting a lot of bling in front of and into your house a few convenient minutes away from messed-up inner cities was not the best interpretation of the old adage "location, location, location".

Sell all the fluff, buy as much land as you can in ID or MT, and enjoy your life - especially if your kids are still at home.

 

[myronman3]

put a lawyer on retainer.

out of all the things you mentioned, this is the only thing i'd do that you havent. oh, and maybe i'd do some praying.
i've been on one side of the door waiting for it to explode on the other.....and had the door gotten breeched, i was waiting in ambush on the other side and it would have been a slaughter. even so, it wasnt a great feeling.

should it come to that, you'll be glad you have an attorney on standby. i'll offer up a prayer that you find you way through this safely. as for the fucks causing this, i can't bring myself to pray for them at this point.

 

[Ric O'shay]

Sounds like you have an infestation of hood rats. They USUALLY operate in a different manner, generally picking the low fruit to pay for the next meth. or heroin buy. Sounds like you have taken the steps you can to make yourself a less than easy target. Lots of good advice given to strengthen your home from entry. Being on high alert is for sure the best defense. Good luck and congrats on the impending move to a better location.

 

[The King]

This is MS13 territory now. They moved to CO with their grow operations when we legalized because the police don't harass them so much.

They brought pro-grade assembly line style theft, prostitution, and armed robbery with them. Gun story robberies have doubled every year since legalization, and they are PRO grade hits many of them. Winch equipped vehicles pulling burglary resistant doors off, stolen trucks waiting to be loaded up, sophisticated surveillance by counter-security pro's.

Its been great.

 

[Rthur]

This is MS13 territory now. They moved to CO with their grow operations when we legalized because the police don't harass them so much.

They brought pro-grade assembly line style theft, prostitution, and armed robbery with them. Gun story robberies have doubled every year since legalization, and they are PRO grade hits many of them. Winch equipped vehicles pulling burglary resistant doors off, stolen trucks waiting to be loaded up, sophisticated surveillance by counter-security pro's.

Its been great.

And they said pot wasn't going to do anything accept put a glide in the stride...
Never saw this coming.........

R

 

[HoustonB77]

Leave a couple boxes of ammo in the car that have been loaded to the brim with the hottest pistol powder......

45 grains of titegroup should do the trick!!!

Just kidding! Don't do this!

 

[myronman3]

This is MS13 territory now. They moved to CO with their grow operations when we legalized because the police don't harass them so much.

They brought pro-grade assembly line style theft, prostitution, and armed robbery with them. Gun story robberies have doubled every year since legalization, and they are PRO grade hits many of them. Winch equipped vehicles pulling burglary resistant doors off, stolen trucks waiting to be loaded up, sophisticated surveillance by counter-security pro's.

Its been great.

gotta love legalization.

all they have to do is open a season on gangbangers. problem would be solved is 6 months or less.

 

[alpine44]

This is MS13 territory now. They moved to CO with their grow operations when we legalized because the police don't harass them so much.

They brought pro-grade assembly line style theft, prostitution, and armed robbery with them. Gun story robberies have doubled every year since legalization, and they are PRO grade hits many of them. Winch equipped vehicles pulling burglary resistant doors off, stolen trucks waiting to be loaded up, sophisticated surveillance by counter-security pro's.

Its been great.

With that sitrep saved for last, the only "missing, magical, wise" thing left to suggest is :................get the fog out of there while you can.

..all they have to do is open a season on gangbangers. problem would be solved is 6 months or less.

But until those who hold the monopoly of preemptive violence allow us to fight theses SOBs with impunity (unlikely), or the rule of law breaks down completely, there is no point for legally hamstrung taxpayers to "stand their ground" on or near battle fields like this.

 

[Supersubes]

Shooting up your car and then following up with a vehicle burg seems like an odd progression. Is there a back story to this?

 

[The King]

They hit the cars first last time neighborhood wide, and then shot the whole place up on the way out. I just got nailed once on one car. THEN they came back and just hit my cars again it looks like. No neighbors note anything missing.

 

[Supersubes]

What vibe did you get from the cops? Did they give you any impression they were going to do additional investigation or follow up? seems like that would be an excellent detail for their plainclothes guys, if they have any.

 

[supercorndogs]

Whats a G wagon?

 

[The King]

They were busy up the street getting into a shootout with someone who might be involved with all of this...resulting in 1 dead perp and 3 cops shot, 1 cop dead.

 

[...]

gotta love legalization.

all they have to do is open a season on gangbangers. problem would be solved is 6 months or less.

i mean fuck.....the liberal do-gooders wont let me hunt elephant and lion....what other dangerous game am i going to hunt with my .375H&H?

Homeboy thinks hes "hard"........he never been hunted by a redneck with a rifle that is capable of excavating a watermelon sized hole from his chest.

wouldnt mind hanging tattoo face on my wall to go with my other trophies.

 

[Flyingbullseye]

So... looks like I’ve been bracketed by bangers. They robbed our neighborhood and shot up one of my cars a little last month.

Last night they hit me again and jacked a few boxes of ammo out of my car.

So based on their take from the first robbery they know that I’m a gun owner. The second robbery was targeting gun Stuff.

A third one is coming. I guarantee it. And I’m thinking it’s going to do the armed Home invasion sort of thing.

Right now I have taken a few precautions.

A) cameras that record off site.
B) a hardened armory room with cameras and much theft resistance
C) everything but my ready rifle and pistol is gone. No longer on premises.
And
D) moving to Montana or Idaho this month.

Anyone recommend anything magical that might be additionally wise?

Make some boxes of ammo and leave them in your car. Load the rounds with tannerite and the problem fixes itself.

 

[thejeep]

Whats a G wagon?

Geländewagen

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Move the family out then run your game, on them. Until they start getting hunted like the vermin they are, nothing will change. There was a gang in Fla years back that started doing that same shit. They pissed in the wrong Post Toasty's one day an after 10 straight days of losing members w/o even knowing who was doing them they moved to Fla city, which was a very bad move for them. One week after they arrived none were ever seen again. My guess was they were introduced to the glades. When the cops can not, or will not take action, you have but two choices.

 

[Veer_G]

Geländewagen

He wishes. It's another way to say G-ride, or assigned government fleet vehicle.

 

[The King]

It is that too - in this case though theJeep had it right. Kid and I built this over the summer for overland expedition.

It was cheaper than a Jeep because god decided to hail on it one day at the dealer. Amazing what happens to the sticker price after a few hundred dents.

200 hours of body work and 2 gallons of CARC tan Later and the fun begins.

 

[thejeep]

"Buenas Tardes Amigo" Sell them a chicken, with posion interlaced in the meat.


Kill or find a large animal or three. Mutilate them and leave it around the points of ingress till after you move. Make sure it is smelling horrid and looks absolutely disgusting.? idk

Crooks got me for a new ktm 525. I hate them all.

 

[Veer_G]

I stand happily corrected, but fixer-upper or not, it's insane to park that in the environment the OP describes.

 

[The King]

This is actually a great neighborhood. It’s just that the hoods have realized that the fancier neighborhood is one to rob..

 

[shields shtr]

This is actually a great neighborhood. It’s just that the hoods have realized that the fancier neighborhood is one to rob..

I just read this entire thread and became depressed. I'll just assume you are a normal, hardworking guy that probably picked that neighborhood because it was relatively safe. And now you are basically being terrorized to the point of contemplating making a huge move or taking drastic measures to defend yourself. If law enforcement wasn't able to help me I would have a really hard time standing by and waiting for something to happen to my family or myself, the anxiety would drive me crazy. I truly feel bad for you, really sorry you have to deal with that shit.

 

[Veer_G]

This is actually a great neighborhood. It’s just that the hoods have realized that the fancier neighborhood is one to rob..

Your previous "urban" comment had me confused.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Isn't it nice what Liberals can turn a formerly decent state into.

 

[FatBoy]

at the very least, get some Wi-Fi camera/flood lights. Try to cover the access point, esoecially ones out of view. The ones that notify your phone and allow you to respond may save you grief down the road.

One stairwell? A group of uninvited guests would get as much 00 buck as I can send down the stairs. In TN, once they are in the house you can shot to stop the threat. Who's to say when the threat is over. Adrenalin and Fog or war is a motherfucker.