anyone getting the feeling the vegas narrative is not going the way the left want it.

[boomer81]

they are already trying to say he scoped out some rap festival a few weeks back and this has nothing to do with the demographic of the concert. and usa today ran a headline that said does it really matter what paddocks motive was. already they are down playing the motive. you know good and well if it was like charlottesville and they could tag it on the right it would be a done deal. they are treading water. buying time and the damn is about to break. it's really weird they are trying to push the gun control angle as hard as they can because wheb it comes out that this fucker was probably one of their own they cant push this shit.

 

[Sixfivesavage]

This thing is fishy as all get out and I think all investigating parties and involved parties have reasons of their own to spin this away from what it actually was. One side doesn't want it's true intentions found out by the masses, another doesn't want the masses to know the truth because they won't be able to play both sides and continue to fan the flames and another side knows the catastrophe that this would cause to the country if the truth was ever put out there and the amount of reprocussions that would unfold. All the while, in the end the masses never do find out the entire truth...much like a lot of history.

 

[Maggot]

This thing is fishy as all get out and I think all investigating parties and involved parties have reasons of their own to spin this away from what it actually was. One side doesn't want it's true intentions found out by the masses, another doesn't want the masses to know the truth because they won't be able to play both sides and continue to fan the flames and another side knows the catastrophe that this would cause to the country if the truth was ever put out there and the amount of reprocussions that would unfold. All the while, in the end the masses never do find out the entire truth...much like a lot of history.

And its like we really need this shit right now, with NK, ISIS, hurricanes, and.....

 

[Sixfivesavage]

Yea, you know it. Like they say, timing is everything. I'm a firm believer and have been for quite some time, there is something sinister going on behind the scenes. Has been for a long time and the more you look at history and question things, the more it appears to have Been the case. I'm positive with the last two terms of presidency it has gotten worse than ever and they are attempting to seize their best opportunity before its ripped from under them when the Supreme Court is turned conservative and we have a president for the people hit his stride.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

And its like we really need this shit right now, with NK, ISIS, hurricanes, and.....

Hugh Hefner dying....

FUBAR few days!

Wondering when a shoe is going to drop on motive.

But then again, hoping for something really sick is not very neighborly of me. So I'll just wait and see.

Sirhr

 

[Dougie308]

I have to agree that the narrative seems off on this Vegas deal. Could be the guy was just a goof ball and took a long walk on a short pier. But some how I don’t think so. He had some kind of agenda.

 

[vh20]

^^^ He was freaking dedicated to it too, whatever it was. Financially, the investment in his plan was staggering. Not to mention all the planning and physical effort over several days that went into smuggling all that stuff up to the room, setting up his operation, and then following through.

 

[Maggot]

Just watched a video of it. they were singing "God Bless America" when the shooting started.

 

[FS1]

This is where we have come

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/03/prof-calls-god-bless-america-warmongering-song.html

 

[boomer81]

man they had the charlottesville guys whole life on display in 6hrs. i know social media and all and this guy was older and was not involved in that but 4 days in and nothing on motive. also he was a former govt employee. they have not even put out he was a democrat in the press. this is sickening 1984 type shit. part of my job i do service work at casinos. how does this mother fucker get in with all that gear without being noticed. and why aubt they rleasing footage of him. they had the columbine kids on tape the next day

 

[...]

man they had the charlottesville guys whole life on display in 6hrs. i know social media and all and this guy was older and was not involved in that but 4 days in and nothing on motive. also he was a former govt employee. they have not even put out he was a democrat in the press. this is sickening 1984 type shit. part of my job i do service work at casinos. how does this mother fucker get in with all that gear without being noticed. and why aubt they rleasing footage of him. they had the columbine kids on tape the next day

".....And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed – if all records told the same tale – then the lie passed into history and became truth. "Who controls the past," ran the Party slogan, "controls the future: who controls the present controls the past." And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. "Reality control," they called it: in Newspeak, "doublethink."....."

 

[mdmp5]

Why would someone bring 20+ rifles into a room anyway? This is obvious, but I mean, he can only shoot one at a time. If he was dead set on accomplishing his insane twisted mission, wouldn't he want to be as low key as possible? I'm thinking 2 rifles would be more than enough. I don't want to sound too conspiracy driven, but it does seem as it someone threw the kitchen sink at this one.

 

[2ndamendfan]

man they had the charlottesville guys whole life on display in 6hrs. i know social media and all and this guy was older and was not involved in that but 4 days in and nothing on motive. also he was a former govt employee. they have not even put out he was a democrat in the press. this is sickening 1984 type shit. part of my job i do service work at casinos. how does this mother fucker get in with all that gear without being noticed. and why aubt they rleasing footage of him. they had the columbine kids on tape the next day

It was reported he was on video in the casino making 7 trips to his room with 10 large suitcases. He had the room for at least 3 days (first report was 5). I am wondering why more has not been released also.
But the bigger question is why can the average person accept that a single man can do astonishing feats for good ( save 30 lives, or capture 30 german soldiers single handedly) yet the same person can not and will not accept that a single person can perform equally astonishing feats of evil.

 

[QuickNDirty]

".....And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed – if all records told the same tale – then the lie passed into history and became truth. "Who controls the past," ran the Party slogan, "controls the future: who controls the present controls the past." And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. "Reality control," they called it: in Newspeak, "doublethink."....."

This is precisely why blockchain technology is so exciting. Matters of record become truly immutable.

 

[boomer81]

It was reported he was on video in the casino making 7 trips to his room with 10 large suitcases. He had the room for at least 3 days (first report was 5). I am wondering why more has not been released also.
But the bigger question is why can the average person accept that a single man can do astonishing feats for good ( save 30 lives, or capture 30 german soldiers single handedly) yet the same person can not and will not accept that a single person can perform equally astonishing feats of evil.

i accept he did it alone. I think it was all him a 2.5% hit ratio is not a super human feat. What I don’t accept is that he’s a fuckin ghost with no background or political agenda. Like I heard someone else say it’s a lot like the scalise softball game shooter. he meets that demographic of a pissed of lefty boomer. And this whole bullshit that it was a random crowd he shot into. And he was scoping out other venues. If there was a single fuckin whiff this guy was a right winger it would be all over the news. They keep saying he bought 33 guns in the last year well I bet that started pretty soon after trump was elected.

 

[2ndamendfan]

i accept he did it alone. I think it was all him a 2.5% hit ratio is not a super human feat. What I don’t accept is that he’s a fuckin ghost with no background or political agenda. Like I heard someone else say it’s a lot like the scalise softball game shooter. he meets that demographic of a pissed of lefty boomer. And this whole bullshit that it was a random crowd he shot into. And he was scoping out other venues. If there was a single fuckin whiff this guy was a right winger it would be all over the news. They keep saying he bought 33 guns in the last year well I bet that started pretty soon after trump was elected.

Yea on the news this morning they said they are trying to figured out what happened a year ago to trigger the buying spree. I looked right at my wife and said "the election".

 

[chorizo]

Just watched a video of it. they were singing "God Bless America" when the shooting started.

BULLSHIT! They were not, that singing happened during entertainers before the shooting started. Get your facts straight before running your suck.

http://tasteofcountry.com/big-rich-god-bless-america-route-91-harvest-festival/

 

[Mike_Honcho]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-1...six-months-ago

ISIS claims him yet again.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

It wasn't the election. The election should have been seen as a victory for gun owners.

It may have been more related to the ensuing resistance.

So next question, why choose this target? If I knew that, if anyone knew that, they'd be another Dan Rather.

For all the good that would be...

He was aiming at a tent that is a significant portion of a city block.

He hit everything he was shooting at. Guns do that.

Greg

 

[Maggot]

BULLSHIT! They were not, that singing happened during entertainers before the shooting started. Get your facts straight before running your suck.

http://tasteofcountry.com/big-rich-god-bless-america-route-91-harvest-festival/

Go fuck yourself.

 

[Bryan W M]

It wasn't the election. The election should have been seen as a victory for gun owners.

It may have been more related to the ensuing resistance.

So next question, why choose this target? If I knew that, if anyone knew that, they'd be another Dan Rather.

For all the good that would be...

He was aiming at a tent that is a significant portion of a city block.

He hit everything he was shooting at. Guns do that.

Greg

Greg, what if he truly wasn't pro gun he had other options to kill with(plane) he chose the items anti guns hate AR ,bump stocks, high capacity magazine.
What of he truly wanted to get all this stuff banned? ?
Just a thought I had and I think others have hsd

 

[softcock]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-1...six-months-ago

ISIS claims him yet again.

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I have refrained from commenting on this up until l now but I Got to call BS on this . The Claims of ISIS recruit connection . Then I want to see this follower of Islams murder spree Video that they have to back it up the claims it's there handiwork .

It just does not fly, Just on the fact that shooter took all the extra steps and work to set Video cameras for viewing the room outside perimeter and also inside the room while he was working . Even though committing murder is simple, He was not an simpleton with a simple plan .
He had a huge amount of time, and more than enough spare time after he finished shooting . That I find it hard to believe that he did not just go the 'simple' extra step in just importing any Video he just took straight to his personal phone and Download right out of that room to his awaiting accomplishes or to any social media or host of his choosing ?
.

 

[Mike_Honcho]

Not saying it / not saying it isn’t. In fairness, I have not had time to do much more than glance at headlines. However, cited by several - in general ISIS doesn’t falsely take credit for events.

 

[softcock]

Not saying it / not saying it isn’t. In fairness, I have not had time to do much more than glance at headlines. However, cited by several - in general ISIS doesn’t falsely take credit for events.

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I know what you are saying I don't follow this thing hourly with every breath either . but it just common sense from just the backwash of facts that is poured in my ear every time I look at the pc, radio or tv .

After he went to all that trouble and time in completing a successful plan . He worked his finger to get-off 1-k Rounds, Everything is right there in front of him, And for him to NOT just take and work his index finger for a just couple minute to import and download off a Vid. file to anyone is about high bet odds as it get in Vegas .
.

 

[boomer81]

5 days in and not shit. We knew more about all 19 9/11 hijackers from all the way around the world at this point. And this guy is a American citizen. Like I said if they had a single thought I mean just a solid enough idea this guy was a right wing Christian nut job racist anything all hell would break loose. It’s really weird In this day and age of hyper media. And no Greg this guy was not one of us pro gun people. He was a triggered leftist who started making large gun purchases after trump was elected. like the Capitol Hill softball shooter.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Boomer; I just don't know who/what the guy was, nobody does. Maybe that's the whole point of all this conjecture.

If he was, indeed, some sort of leftist false flag idealist, I seriously doubt that any such evidence would be loudly announced in this political climate. While I guess that could be a possibility, I couldn't say it with any certainty.

The whole thrust of this week seems to me to be about how little is known.

Or maybe, how little about what's known is being reported. Hold the tin hats, but the lack of any such reporting really leaves me scratching my head.

My concern is that in the absence of motives, there is little to blame besides the implements. If info is being suppressed in order to enhance that emphasis, heads should roll.

Greg

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

FWIW, Arturo Guzman Decena, founder of Los Zetas, only had 1 (ONE!!!) known confirmed photo ever. Dude somehow managed to work a career in Mexican military/airborne SOF for several years with one single photo ever taken of him..which dont even really show his face. And the background info/bio we had on the fucker wasnt much better. Now I realize Mexico record keeping is for shit most likely, but regardless for one a the world's most notorious criminals at that time, he was for all intents a ghost also.. Kinda baffling its like some folks live their life from early on almost trying to keep a super low profile.

 

[plh]

........My concern is that in the absence of motives, there is little to blame besides the implements.,.......
Greg

Giving momentary ascent to the truthfulness of the reports that nothing so far has been established, the following email received and posted by Mark Steyn may have merit even though abjectly irrational and insane:
https://www.steynonline.com/8162/theory-of-the-case

Pete

 

[boomer81]

Giving momentary ascent to the truthfulness of the reports that nothing so far has been established, the following email received and posted by Mark Steyn may have merit even though abjectly irrational and insane:
https://www.steynonline.com/8162/theory-of-the-case

Pete

thats exactly what I’m saying just don’t have the eloquence to get it done. It’s like the movie life of David gayle. It’s a twist like he sees it as a greater good that he made a sacrifice. That if I kill a bunch of people more than ever before then maybe I will get the gun ban and in turn save thousands. He shot at the demographic he hates the group who support guns so those that he killed were morally wrong to him. I think the election of trump triggered it. Because his buying started right after the election.

 

[ArmyJerry]

wake it up schmuck, all foreign involvement takes a back seat to domestic insurrection.fk a hurricane. A major political party is likely trying to shoot/kill all the opposition and its leaders.

And its like we really need this shit right now, with NK, ISIS, hurricanes, and.....

 

[boomer81]

FWIW, Arturo Guzman Decena, founder of Los Zetas, only had 1 (ONE!!!) known confirmed photo ever. Dude somehow managed to work a career in Mexican military/airborne SOF for several years with one single photo ever taken of him..which dont even really show his face. And the background info/bio we had on the fucker wasnt much better. Now I realize Mexico record keeping is for shit most likely, but regardless for one a the world's most notorious criminals at that time, he was for all intents a ghost also.. Kinda baffling its like some folks live their life from early on almost trying to keep a super low profile.

yeah and im sure after he tested off the charts on some type of entrance exam into the military he crooked ass mexican gov made sure there was as few pics of him possible. because he was groomed to lead the zetas. if not by his own govt then our cia. it's a fact alot of the zetas got military training over here while in the mexican army. and cartels and the mexican gov. are one in the same. he was a part of a 10-20 year plan man.

 

[boomer81]

Well almost two weeks and Steve paddock aka the sin city ghost sniper we got no info on. No info on his old lady nothing. No politics no religion. Hell no speculation. I mean if this was a gay disco diversity necrophiliacs beastiality daisy techno festival he shot up. could you imagine the outrage if the didn’t have any info. Marches and pussy hats and menthol cigarettes galore

Nothing to see here were gonna put up some billboards cause it’s fuckin 1972 and that’s what we do in this day and age the fbi puts up billboards and the back of a fuckin milk carton. Sorry guys I’m just paranoid I need my tinfoil fuckin hat and info wars cock pills cause I’m crazy. Jesus Christ heads should roll over this deal

 

[308pirate]

boomer you're not paranoid. I'd say you're right on the fucking track.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

When his house was being robbed were they erasing finger prints an DNA or, were they Planting same?
The time lines still don't jive, their creditably went into the toilet when one of the best wits died (not shot) shortly there after.
The takeoffs an landing records of the planes he flew are interesting as to who the others were that were on the tarmac or flew with him.
Looks like he had a few C/C's under different names as well.
This may go the Warren commission or Jimmy Hoffa way, but with the net an so much in legal fee's an compensation at stake, maybe not.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Follow the money, watch to the end
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97V6BlGr0BA

 

[boomer81]

crickets?

 

[1J04]

Go fuck yourself.

lmfao. May I use that in the future?