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Are Air rifles the pacifier or alternative to ammo availability & cost?

+ 1 for the AirArms TX 200.

I got one several years ago and its been an incredible addition to my firearms lineup. I have owned Sheridan .20 calibers, RWS .22 caliber magnum air rifles and this one is the most refined for accuracy and has the speed and power for field work as well. I got mine in .177 caliber and made a few kill shots on crows at 30 yards with ease. For quiet pest removal and just fun shooing for cheap a good air rifle is hard to beat. They are not cheap but worth it IMHO.
This is a spring piston air rifle. I did not want to jockey around an air tank or pump.
 
Hi Scotty,

Hey, I got all exited yesterday about posting on this thread before I read "all" the reply's and then this morning I saw yours, LOL. Sorry about that!, wasn't ignoring you at all! Very excellent advice BTW!!!! It's interesting how our posts correlated, great minds think alike I guess???, LOL.

You'd love the azprc.org long range match here in AZ! Let me know if you ever get out this way so we can shoot some AG's and do some long range too.

Cheers Steve! Not sure when I'll be in Arizona again, But I'm hoping to make it to a few of the matches down at Raton. Maybe I'll see some of you AZ guys down there!

-Scott
 
I appreciate the "Buy once, cry once" mindset. But a lot of us have a hard time justifying spending the price of a good rifle, or scope on an air gun. I'd love to buy a Airforce, AirArms, etc, but by the time I drop that kind of cash, I could have bought a pile of ammo, or a complete reloading setup, or a good scope, etc. Also, there are no local competitions that I know of, so that level of gun would be wasted on me. The trick is to spend enough to have some accuracy and quality without breaking the bank.

The trick is to quit thinking of it as "just an air gun" and think of it as a well made weapon just like you would a precision rifle. You'll have to remember that you'll get 10's of thousands of rounds out of that airgun with no need to rebarrel where as a precision rifle will require rebarreling every few thousand rounds. In addition, what it costs you in reloading components to shoot for a month, you can shoot for a year or more in an airgun.

The question is do you want something that your grandkids will pass down or are you ok with tossing it in the garbage in a few years. Do you want a rifle that feels like you're holding a precision centerfire rifle or are you ok with something that feels like a toy.

If you want justification...precision trainer, no rebarreling necessary even after thousands of rounds through the barrel, can shoot in your back yard, 100 bucks in quality pellets will get you 2000-5000 rounds, depending on caliber (that knocks out your reloading issue)
 
Just as long as we continue to defend our rights to own and use firearms and to keep politicians who won't defend the same out of office, there's always room for airguns.

I don't have any air rifles at the moment, but I can highly recommend the Baikal IZH-46M pistol for cheap practice. Though range is limited, it's a 10 meter pistol, the trigger is amazing. It's a single stroke pneumatic (SSP) that's been around for a little while an offers features associated with much more expensive guns. For a lot less money, I can also recommend the Daisy Powerline SSP (model 717?), though the grips will have to be dealt with and the rear sight and trigger are plastic. The Banjamins are usually very good too.
 
Both my wife and I make decent wages for our area. We inherited our home, which while free, needs a lot of work. That being said the EDgun posted above is more than I make in a MONTH. If I can't afford it, I imagine that there are a lot of other people that can't either. Ferrari makes one hell of a car, and I'd love to pass one down to my son, but I guess the Ford in the driveway will have to do. I could sell all my guns, and get a "good" air gun. Or I can keep dong what I am doing, and that is playing the percentages. If I can buy or build a gun that will do 80% of what a "good one will do for 30% of the cash, I figure I can live with it.
 
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There is still just as many who can afford it though? Hell, many people on this forum have more tied up in just a scope for their rifle. There currently is a ~6 month wait time on a Edgun R3 from all of the orders.
 
If you can afford it, by all means, buy two. I'm just trying to show the other side of the coin. There is good performance to be had for a lot less cash. People screw up when they underpay, and they screw up when they overpay. I like the middle ground.
 
The trick is to quit thinking of it as "just an air gun" and think of it as a well made weapon just like you would a precision rifle. You'll have to remember that you'll get 10's of thousands of rounds out of that airgun with no need to rebarrel where as a precision rifle will require rebarreling every few thousand rounds. In addition, what it costs you in reloading components to shoot for a month, you can shoot for a year or more in an airgun.

The question is do you want something that your grandkids will pass down or are you ok with tossing it in the garbage in a few years. Do you want a rifle that feels like you're holding a precision centerfire rifle or are you ok with something that feels like a toy.

If you want justification...precision trainer, no rebarreling necessary even after thousands of rounds through the barrel, can shoot in your back yard, 100 bucks in quality pellets will get you 2000-5000 rounds, depending on caliber (that knocks out your reloading issue)

+1! Well said seanh!!! I couldn't agree more.

But I can also understand where Phantom309 is coming from. I got the impression that all of you guys here on the hide had piles of GAP's and AI's in the safe, each with it's own S&B mounted up! LOL! A different caliber for each day of the week, right? LOL! How much does it cost to shoot that .338? I thought a little air gun money would be no big deal for you guys. I got the impression that a Rem700 right off the shelf was not good enough for you guys, and I was going with the assumption that most of you guys would want to go the extra mile for top-notch air gun accuracy as well. There are plenty of low $$$ air guns out there that will provide a positive shooting experience, you just need to be realistic about the capabilities and limitations of whatever you decide to buy.
As somebody coming from the other direction (starting with airguns first, and just recently getting into to centerfire), I can't believe how much you guys pay for AMMO! I'm used to paying about 12 bucks for 500 rounds for my air gun. You don't even want to know what I just paid for 500 rounds for my new 6.5cm ( I coulda bought one hell of an airgun for that price -and it wouldn't be gone in a few months like the 6.5 ammo will be!)... -Centerfire ammo is so cost prohibitive to me, that I can't really afford to train or practice with it. I can really only afford to save that ammo for matches only!

Regards,

ScottyD
 
It's hard not to think of it as "Just an airgun" when a $169.99 10/22 from walmart will accomplish 90% of what most common airguns will. Where I live, I can shoot every weapon I own, any day of the week. If I want to shoot that odd coon in the night with my 308, nobody would care. I have an airgun because it is cheap, fun, and good practice. It is nice to shoot so cheaply, and it is nice to not need ear protection. But as I said, without a local competition, a high end gun is pretty much a waste.
 
It's hard not to think of it as "Just an airgun" when a $169.99 10/22 from walmart will accomplish 90% of what most common airguns will. Where I live, I can shoot every weapon I own, any day of the week. If I want to shoot that odd coon in the night with my 308, nobody would care. I have an airgun because it is cheap, fun, and good practice. It is nice to shoot so cheaply, and it is nice to not need ear protection. But as I said, without a local competition, a high end gun is pretty much a waste.

I have no idea where Arenzville is, but here's a link to Central IL's Airgun Club. Looks like they've got 3 Field Target matches scheduled so far this year:

https://sites.google.com/a/theciaonline.com/www/home

Open class in Field Target can be a bit of an equipment race -that's where you'll see a bunch of the high $$$ guns. But check out "Hunter Class" -you can shoot prone or with sticks, and you're limited to a 12x scope. Targets 10 to 55yds, and no clicking with the elevation knob allowed in hunter class -use hold-over only (mil-dot type reticles are perfect for this). The hunter class is a ton of fun, and designed to get new shooters into the sport w/out needing to spend a ton of money on an air gun. A lot of guys use spring guns for this class. Guaranteed good time, and guaranteed to improve your shooting skills (and all for about $2 in ammo!)...

regards,

ScottyD
 
Thanks, but the only matches the calendar will show me are in 09. I'm in the middle of nowhere. The closest decent range of any kind is PASA, at Barry. That's an hour away. The price I pay for living where I can shoot all I want is, I can't afford to shoot all I want. Life is full of compromises. I just see too many people pass on airguns because the one they have seen are either cheap POS's or way too expensive. There is some middle ground.
 
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Daisy_Avanti_853/145

I shot 10 meter 3 position in high school, and was fairly successful at it. I shot a Daisy 887 which runs on co2 and costs a bit more (but is by no means expensive), however paired with a stack of NRA AR-5/10 targets the above rifle will keep you sharp, especially offhand and unsupported, all without breaking the bank. The bullseye on the AR-5 is a whopping half-millimeter. If you think it's easy, I dare you to clean the target in standing with a 5.5 lb rifle in under 15 minutes.

It's not the end-all be-all tactical trainer. But it will teach you trigger control, and a heap about breathing and knowing your shot plan.
 
Thanks, but the only matches the calendar will show me are in 09. I'm in the middle of nowhere. The closest decent range of any kind is PASA, at Barry. That's an hour away. The price I pay for living where I can shoot all I want is, I can't afford to shoot all I want. Life is full of compromises. I just see too many people pass on airguns because the one they have seen are either cheap POS's or way too expensive. There is some middle ground.


Fair enough, Phantom. I hear what you're saying. Sounds like you've got a great spot. If you're lucky enough to be able to shoot on your own land, I'll admit it is hard to argue with your "10/22 from walmart" comment. Hopefully we'll soon be back to the days where its no big deal to pick up a fairly priced brick of rimfire ammo anytime we feel like it...

Regards,

ScottyD
 
It's not my comment, every time someone around here asks what I have in my crosman, that's what they tell me. "Jesus boy, you coulda bought a Ruger for that much, and had money left for a scope, AND some ammo." Now most of them are farmers, and their idea of precision is hitting a coyote at 50yds with a 30/30. But I'm right there with you on getting back to normal, and being able to shoot without costing a fortune. But I fear those days may be gone. Nice talkin to ya.
 
I know where arenzville is, even been there a few times. Some good people down there. Good debate and lots of info exchanged here that maybe only happened because ammo is tight. I am gonna keep shooting everything I can air guns included till I'm out of ammo and hope I can resupply before that happens.
 
For what it's worth I've only ever shot a .0 once in my life. It was with a pellet gun which belonged
To a customer of mine. It was shot at 35 yards 5 shots. It was a precharged target model about 1200$ awesomely
Accurate.. Their are guys shooting them pretty far, over 100 yards... They could very well be cheaper than .22
 
Very happy Edgun owner here, I have a .25 long and a .25 standard. I shoot my air rifles more than my powder burners-- I can shoot them in the backyard at 50Y for lots of trigger time without annoying the neighbors or having to pack up and drive anywhere. While I can legally shoot .22lr on my property it's not 100% safe by my requirements and the neighbors don't care for the noise. Several properties in the immediate area have ground squirrel problems but there are houses too close to permit safe use of a .22lr or .17hmr or the property owners won't let me shoot the .22 or .17-- but they have no problem with me using an air rifle. So the air rifle is the tool of choice and I have a lot of fun with it.

If I lived in the middle of nowhere and there were zero restrictions on what or when I could shoot I'd probably still keep one around-- they're still a lot of fun to shoot. Of course if I lived in a state where I could have a suppressor for my .22LR my opinion may be different, but I still really enjoy shooting the air rifles.


The trick is to quit thinking of it as "just an air gun" and think of it as a well made weapon just like you would a precision rifle. You'll have to remember that you'll get 10's of thousands of rounds out of that airgun with no need to rebarrel where as a precision rifle will require rebarreling every few thousand rounds. In addition, what it costs you in reloading components to shoot for a month, you can shoot for a year or more in an airgun.

Very true. It's difficult (if not impossible) for some to get over the stigma and pricetag that comes with "real" airguns. I've taken my Edgun to the range quite a few times and the reactions are always polar opposites; half the guys that check it out love the thing while the other half declare me an idiot for "spending that much on a BB gun." Once you realize what they can do and start treating them like any other rifle that all changes. Good air rifles are extremely well made. They're also silly accurate and will very easily show you improper technique.

I had my long .25 out yesterday in the orchard behind the house-- furthest ground squirrel kill yesterday was at 129 yards, first shot hit. My furthest kill to date with the .25 long was at 146 yards, also a first shot hit.

For real world shooting out in the open the .25 is great; it delivers more power on target but more importantly has a better BC and suffers less in the wind compared to .22, .20, or .177. Of course it has a price; the heavier .25 pellets are more expensive and to get them up to the ideal velocity levels (about 900fps) requires more air. For just high volume paper punching it's not as cost effective as .22 pellets but given the performance in the wind it's a tradeoff that's worth the extra price IMO.
 
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scottyd, 123steve, greg l, 168, excellent, excellent, as well as others, thank you.

that's the kind of info i was looking for and great info for the topic with "real life" conditions mentioned.

scottyd, i may be PMing you in the future on some tips and oddball questions if you don't mind. being affected with furloughs the next few months, everything may be pushed to the side for a while.

may have to look into used PCP, though i don't know if that would be wise either.
 
The older Beeman Rapid super 17 (a theoben rifle) had a removable bottle, so you could buy several bottles, fill them up and shoot. I don't know which PCP's have this option but they're available.
 
I shoot many thousands of 22's a year. I shoot my air rifle a few thousand times a year as well. Shooting either is very relaxing and enjoyable, but it depends what kind of mood I am in. Weather is generally my only real limiting factor. The older I get, the less I like sweating and freezing any more than I already have to at work. I'm not a wealthy man, but I have always been able to afford enough ammo to stay reasonably sharp.
I think you have confused my statements as somehow knocking high end guns, I am not. I am only trying to impress on you that many people cannot afford the level of gun you are using. And many more will be lost on the idea of spending it, even if they can.
 
My son and I shoot air rifles very often. He started when he was 8. He is 14 now and shot his 1st 1,000 yard rifle match last month. My point is, I disagree with those that say air rifles are not like shooting/practicing with centerfire rifles. Trigger time is trigger time. You still have to use the fundamentals of trigger pull, breathing, reading the wind, hold over etc. It's better time than not shooting at all!

Best advise I can give is, buy a good gun that will last and provide the same performance, accuracy over a period of time. I bought an RWS 28 years ago and it's as accurate today as it was then.
 
I have several airguns, both rifles and pistols.

For the time being the stable consists of one PCP, a tuned/converted Daystate Huntsman and a bone stock Webley Tracker. The Huntsman are quite new (late last fall) to me and replaced a Merlin from the same company. Both of these rifles are bolt action, magasine fed PCPs, somewhat general purpose quality airguns. The Huntsman are tuned down to facilitate basement (low power and canned) training after the Merlin chewed up a bullet trap and made noise on a level of needing earpro so it was hardly the training tool I wanted it to be. Its also quite classical in its stocking, so it makes a good general airrifle. The Huntsman, I`m ashamed to say have not been utilised much since I got it.

The Webley Tracker are a british, classic aircarbine and are the "go-to" gun for basement/garden fun for close to a couple of decades in companionship with its fellow factory pistol, Tempes (which should be seeable by some sort of attachement thingy). These guns was also part of my training regime before I deployed in 09, working on the basics and running them on the timer for shaving my reaction times.

The rest of the battery consist of a Feinwerkbau 65 (older spring comp model) and a Crossman 1701 PCP pistol. Gone but not forgotten are the two top notch competition guns I`ve had, a Steyr 101 rifle and a Feinwerbau C55, 5 shot "Semiauto" pistol.

All of these can be used to train basic markmanship with, all have their peculiarities and dare I say niches (atleast pertained so) and none will let a fellow down so its up to the buyer to define some sort of "need" as to what the gun should be able to do.

Its been stated earlier in the tread that you pretty much get a airgun for almost all tasks and I think that that sentiment are true. But what are the needs of the user ? For a general shooter I whouldnt underestimate a springer for .177 pellets but stearing clear of the Chinese, Turkish and Spanish ones. I would also give a wide berth around everything that uses "Magnum", "Extremely high speed" and such nonsense in the marketing dept.

Unfortunately the British brands (BSA and Webley) are now made in Turkey or Spain, so I`ve wont give them the thumbs up, either. The US brands I dont know much about but the entry levels Daisy`s I`ve stumbled on have been less than satisfying. That leaves the German guns such as Feinwerkbau, Diana and Weirauch, the latest I think is sold under the Beeman brand in the US, atleast some of the models. The British AirArms TX200 are also a safe bet.

Furthermore I would look for a lever cocking gun aka fixed barrel, not a "break barrel" gun. Top it off with a Dampamount and a springer rated scope and you should be good to go for hours of cheap entertainment. Be adviced that the guns can be .22 RF finicky on pellets, if you`re after maximum precision, better be prepared to do some experimenting on what sort of pellets your gun goes to town with.

On the PCP scene the British guns are still british and seriously good to go but with the premium pricetag that comes along with it, I do have a soft spot for the AirArms S200FT in this category, its a tiny 10 shot carbine built by CZ, rebranded and sold under the AirArms umbrella for rather nice price when it comes to PCPs. If I hadnt gotten a killer deal on the Huntsman, this is what I would have got.

As for scopes, I`ve wouldnt put on a premium scope, my guns sports BSA in 2-7X and 3-9X not because I dont enjoy a nice glass as much as the other fellow, but because they to the job and are rated for spring guns and I`ve found these to be adequate. I wanted something that could focus way down and the BSAs gives me the possibility to come down to 7,5 yards and still use the full range of magnifying. I ran a non-airgun rated scope on the Tracker for a decade (Shirlstone 2-7X) but this scope was not usable on higher magnifications than 2X on close distances and that somewhat trashes the notion of basement training ranges, shooting dots made from dotting a papersheet with a writing feltpen from prone actually needs a bit of cranking up.

If you havent guessed it yet, I think that the airguns have a place in a well rounded armoury and that every home should have one, same as atleast a semiautomatic, centerfire rifle and a pistol in no less than 9mm. :)

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Tools for a afternoon of garden fun... :D
 
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scottyd, i may be PMing you in the future on some tips and oddball questions if you don't mind. being affected with furloughs the next few months, everything may be pushed to the side for a while.

may have to look into used PCP, though i don't know if that would be wise either.

Sound goods. Feel free to drop me a message anytime. Yellowforum.com is one of the the most popular air gun forums here in the states. Their classifieds sections is the best spot to keep an eye out for good deals on used air guns. I think this link to their classifieds should work:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79574/



Regards,

ScottyD
 
I would start out with a good Beeman springer if you're just getting into the game. Like folks are mentioning, though, air guns are NOT going to save you any money! I started with an R7, then moved up to an R1, then moved back down to an HW50S. Now I just shoot the R7 and the HW50S. The R7 is the best plinker out there, the HW50S has a little more oomph for vermin control. Both of them will train you to be a better shot.
 
Comber...a comment and question.
Good to see another pipe smoker...nothing beats sitting back in the evening with a good book, a glass of brandy and bowl full of good tobacco.
Also...what kind of fountain pen is that (another of my vices)?
 
thanks COMBER, that's some good stuff, i didn't know AirArms was / is CZ that's a plus, i'd like to go german, british, or netherland based air rifles, but budget right now will only allow turkey / chinese.

but will be doing the buy once cry once thing once i commit to air rifles, again you guys really peaked my interest even more.

HAHCO, i was actually handling a beeman grizzly x2 (1073) dual caliber at walmart last night. while probably considered near the bottom of the list of air rifles, i was VERY surprised at the balance, finish, weight and feel for $130.00. after more research, i guess the grizzly is the walmart shelf designation for the model 1073 but without the adjustable trigger.

my area, as far as i know, doesn't have a really good selection of decent air rifles, which stinks as i like to handle something before purchasing. however input from ALL you guys are pointing out some good info helping with ways to catalog shop. what was a 100 rifle list to check out is now down to about 10 - 15. incorporating springers, nitro pistons, and PCPs.

i think with a budget of $400-$800 a good PCP setup of rifle, optic, and air loading equipment can be achieved, and probably will save up for a one.

from 150-250 there's a bunch of springers & nitros that seem palatable, with Hatsan really drawing my attention if anything due to the quattro trigger, the SAS system, integrated scope rail, and the nicely checkered wood stock. from reviews and tech published about the model 95, i think this is going to be my entry level choice for around $150.00 and supposedly able to print an acceptable group at 50yds with a .22 cal.

many are speaking well of the Gamo silent stalker .22 nitro piston style, which has a reported trigger of 2.5lbs and quarter sized groups at 50yds. don't know if Gamo is considered in the very junky catagory, but this one for face value seems good for $150

from what i get from the info given here and elsewhere, the nitro piston / IGT styles rest somewhere between the springers and PCPs as far as form, fit, and function especially in cold weather.

it'd be really nice if the manufactures actually listed their trigger poundage ranges on the triggers rather than just "adjustable two stage" so that a novice can make a better comparison between rifle A and rifle B.

wish i could go with a fancier one, but for now i'm in the under 300.00 group for rifle and optic. i have one more place to check tonight for air rifles, then it's "poo or get off the pot" for me.
 
I'd probably save up for something like an AirArms S510+scuba tank. If you want to go even better, you'll be paying about three times that amount for a high-end low volume production airgun.
And you know you will want to get the PCP in the end ;)

Also, with PCP you can go with (5-10 shot) repeaters. If you get a springer you'll have to get out of your position to load it, which gets boring quickly.

If you'll mostly be doing standing shooting, then springers would be excellent.

I'm not familiar with the IGT system, so don't know how that would fit in.
 
Top Predator: when I was new to airguns and wanted to know what was decent and what was el cheapo, I did a lot of research over at the Straight Shooters webpage. I'd check that out, and also Pyramid Air. Some of these $150-250 airguns are worse than just having your $150-250 back.
 
Top Predator, I can't resist tempting you with these (hopefully I can catch you before you "poo or get off the pot!" LOL!):

First, a used hand-pump for $115:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79574/message/1363100377/Benjamin+Hand+Pump

Second, a NIB Marauder for $325:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79574/message/1363185926/LNIB+.22+cal+Marauder

So for $115 you'd be set-up to get started in the PCP game. But if you can swing a little more $$$ -the FX Tarantula has a stellar reputation - known to be silly accurate. MUCH better gun than the marauder:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79574/message/1358211378/FX+tarantula

If you have to keep things on a low budget, and like the idea of a spring gun, have a look at the RWS 34. The 34 is a lower priced springer (~$220) with a good reputation. Atleast with RWS you'd be getting a German made gun rather than a chinese made rig from walmart. The 34 is often said to be "best value in the price range". Airgunsofarizona.com has some package deals with the RWS 34 that includes a 3-9 scope and mounts for a good price. Might be worth looking into as well...

Hope that helps, good luck!

-ScottyD
 
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I have and have had quite a few air rifles and by far my favorite is the Beeman R7 /hw30. That gun is just fun to shoot no air tanks to deal with (constant visual inspection, hydro testing and dealing with d bag scuba shop employees ). And on top of that targets are easy to build for airguns I build all kinds of reactive steel targets like the one in the photo
 
I have a Trail NP .177 and my son has a Venom Dusk .177, and we enjoy shooting them in my back yard competitively. We shoot at about 25 yards, which is a comfortable distance for us.

If I get another air rifle it will be either the new Stoeger or new Benjamin legacy. These are really sweat looking rifles from good companies.
 
Just returned from the range with my son and had a good time with our air rifles. My brother is buying my Trail NP and I'm definitely getting the new Benj. or the Stoeger. I shot about 100 times and it only cost me a buck or so in lead! Nice!

Getting tight dime groups at 25 yards. It's not a powder burner, but it certainly pacifies my need to throw lead.
 
Ok coon that isn't even nice, a small, regular, and the long......

I am hoping after my next tour I am able to find one of those rifles. Just haven't been able to get ahold of the dealer here in the states.

Another nice rifle that hasn't been mentioned is the BSA Sportsman Hv. Though it was made for sportsmans warehouse, and they are gone now, you can still find the regular version around. They shoot great, and the action is somewhat different as it is at the front of teh stock. Just a little toggle you push back to load a round. Real nice and easy when you are in the prone and shooting.
 
As for springers, this is the cream of crop. John Whiscombe .22 recoiless air gun. Let's just say this one put a dent in my account. 416 hand made rifles and only 200 of them in the states.

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I met a guy that bought a collection of Whiscombes, I think it was $24,000 for most if not all the variants, supposedly they are worth double what he paid now, crazy stuff what these air rifles are worth, LOL.
 
I've given up on questioning custom wood stock designing for air rifles. For some reason they all seem to go for a space look or the hull of a schooner with all of their curves and bends.
 
Why is it all the combs on these "high end custom" air rifles are slanted? The one posted above is flat...but I see it alot.

I would think if scoped shooting was the plan a raised flat comb would be prefered.

because when you shoulder the rifle and eye the scope or sight, the cheek bone is at an angle.
 
^^nice stuff

scottyd, that link you put up for the marauder and pump was tempting and a heck of a deal, but my budget right now says no, but thanks for that tip. as i tend to get all the accessories when i get something, i'd probably be better suited to getting my feet wet first with something of a more economical nature.

yeah i know, i should invest in a better set up, but i went with a crosman venom, the wood stocked version. found one for 105.00.

i figured it'll suit my craving and budget for now. being a nitro piston and the weight of the wood stock, it should be a bit more tame in the "recoil" dept. the scope rail that comes with it should allow me to use regular weaver rings, and stop any traveling if they should happen work their way loose and prevent slipping. got it in .22, so if my state allows hunting with air rifles in the future, i'll be covered. plus i've read alot about how the .22 is better in wind. plus if i get a PCP, it'll probably be in .22, i should have alot of pellets to use by that time.

i know the trigger is reported to be sucky, i'll try the washer trick, the longer adjustment screw trick, and if all of that doesn't work i'll get a GRT III trigger in it for 33.00. http://charliedatuna.com/GRT-III Trigger New.htm

odered a Gamo sample pack with it along with a tin of RWS superdomes. so rifle and 1200 pellets with shipping = $145.72. i see reviews that the Gamo pellets are crappy, but it should work well enough for breaking in and give me an idea if the venom likes heavy or medium weights. also ordered up a do all .22/.17 rimfire bullet trap for $40.57 shipped, bringing me to a total of $186.29.

worse case, if the venom is subpar i'll can tinker around with accurization and see what works and what doesn't if still interested in getting something better.

eventually going to try JSP exacts, H&N field target trophy, and beeman kodiak match pellets along with crosman premier domed which suprisingly gets great reviews and is the cheapest pellet, even the ones that come in the brown box.

so we'll see how it works out, if i still have the bug i'll put a PCP on my to do list with all the trimmings.

hopefully i'll get my stuff within the next week, get it on paper, get it broken in and post up some groups.

thanks for all the experienced guys that posted up information and pictures, i'm sure it helped out everyone interested.
 
Yeah knew about the wait, though looking now the kricket is nice as well. That and the wait doesn't bother me, have a year I will be out of the country.

How do those wiscomb riles shoot? Never seen anyone that actually had one, or at least shoot it.