Are conservative values destined to lose out?

[High H2o]

Rant/on

Seems like those of us who believe in ideas like, but not limited to: personal freedom, personal responsibility, small government, low taxes, equal opportunity (not equal outcomes), et, al... Keep losing ground. Been losing ground for decades.

I find these and similar ideas, to be retina burningly self evident that when implemented, almost guarantee individuals and countries to succeed. Why are they SUCH are hard sale to 80 million+ voters?

For example, Social Security. What a completely horrible borderline criminal program! It fucks (sorry, but no other word fits) you and your heirs in the ass your entire life, and then some. But it's the 3rd rail in politics? Mind boggling...

What hope have we?

Rant/off

 

[fdkay]

No.
And I'll tell you why.
many leftists/progressives are opting out of having children, in some cases, choosing irreversible sterilization.
raise your kids/grandkids, teach them right and eventually, the ship will right itself.

 

[W54/XM-388]

No.
And I'll tell you why.
many leftists/progressives are opting out of having children, in some cases, choosing irreversible sterilization.
raise your kids/grandkids, teach them right and eventually, the ship will right itself.

You best tell the good folks to step up the sex and reproduction game.

While the Leftists themselves don't want to have any kids to care for, they are busy importing prodigious baby producers from all over the world so long as they will lock step vote "free stuff".

Got to get those baby numbers up to compete.

 

[dragman]

Yes given a long enough time line progressive views will always win out. That is a FACT

Also there is no conservative party There is Business party and the Charity party. This country is done for as a united states.

 

[Gregor.Samsa]

No.
And I'll tell you why.
many leftists/progressives are opting out of having children, in some cases, choosing irreversible sterilization.
raise your kids/grandkids, teach them right and eventually, the ship will right itself.

I agree with your intent and really hope you are correct. The pessimist side of me sees conservatives and the Republican Party fail pretty miserably at energizing, educating and igniting enthusiasm with the younger generations. The left has a constant barrage of social media, celbretirs, athletes etc. advertising their movement as cool, righteous and just and portraying conservatism as archaic, racist dorks. I could see this happen with my nephew as he went through college. Not sure if trump will prevail with his fight but even if he does, who’s going to carry the flag next election cycle?

 

[rlarsen462]

Yes, and we are fucked because of it. The only reason conservatives/Republicans have typically had a shot at winning is that young people generally don't vote (and they generally start turning more conservative as they age and have responsibilities, money, etc.). Now with social media making it "cool", more young voters are, well, voting. And they will always vote for progressive, free, bullshit. They are highly susceptible to manipulation also.

The age of "adulthood" frankly is becoming higher and higher every year in my opinion, it used to be people were pretty grown/responsible even by 18, possibly fighting in wars, etc. Now, idiots are coddled shitheads living with their parents with no work ethic and no accountability for anything until they are 35.

This country is not headed for better things.

Young voters helped propel Biden to victory. Now they're pushing for a more progressive Democratic Party

As young people proved their electoral influence in 2020, youth organizers are pushing the Democratic Party to embrace a more progressive platform.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Shooter McGavin]

I hope not, my kids 12 and 14 are super conservative. But than there’s shit like this-

 

[Fig]

From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to apathy; from apathy to dependency; and from dependency back to bondage once more.

We are somewhere between apathy and dependency. Those who would rule us are shameless in their desire for control, and make no mistake; they HATE you.

 

[chiefethan]

"personal freedom, personal responsibility, small government, low taxes, equal opportunity..."

Neither major political party adheres themselves to these values. The RNC and DNC both pick different flavors of individual liberty to infringe upon.

 

[MtnCreek]

Demographics is destiny.

 

[High H2o]

No.
And I'll tell you why.
many leftists/progressives are opting out of having children, in some cases, choosing irreversible sterilization.
raise your kids/grandkids, teach them right and eventually, the ship will right itself.

True, but that's why they're importing more leftists.

With true freedom and market capitalism, even the lazy and slow witted among us would have a much better life than under socialism.
Why is THAT simple truism so hard to get through to leftist?

 

[High H2o]

somewhat ironically, if the socialists, and marxist would just vote for freedom and market capitalism, they could have their socialist utopia...

 

[Bender]

somewhat ironically, if the socialists, and marxist would just vote for freedom and market capitalism, they could have their socialist utopia...

Wrong.

Close though.


It’s the power to tell you what to do, that’s what they want.

 

[OldSalty2]

Short answer?

Yes.

 

[Animal357]

The libturds took over the education system decades ago and have instilled helplessness and dependency on governement to our youth. It took them 50 years and it was a brilliant plan.

These libturds breed faster than us and now outnumber us. A country is toast when the takers out number the makers. RIP USA

 

[Jscb1b]

We are fucked.

 

[Jscb1b]

I LOVE my country. The government needs a reset.

 

[High H2o]

We are fucked.

Ok, so let's start with THAT premise.
Now what? Just hang on, give up as little ground as possible, then hand over that shrinking bit of turf to our kids?
I feel like after I got married, I already lost the war, now just negotiating terms...

 

[105gr]

We all know how this ends. Prepare.

 

[LilGucci]

It is a lost cause because the Left controls the culture, and they control the culture because they control the mainstream media, academia, entertainment, and social media. As Andrew Breitbart said, Politics is downstream from culture. The culture we have determines the direction of our politics.

That being said, in my 30-some years of being alive, and virtually all of that time spent here in the US, I've never seen the Right as animated and aware as they are today, and we have never had a leader willing to sock the Left right in the mouth with Donald Trump. So I do think there is great hope ahead of us.

Also, it's okay to lose hope. We all do that from time to time. However, it's not okay to give up, ,go awol like a coward, and stop fighting. If amy generation before you had done the same in the face of immense odds against their survival or the survival of their way of life, it's highly likely you wouldn't be here today, and certainly not enjoying the freedoms that you do.

 

[candyx]

The Asshats took control but this time is different because not only do they want to take your money to enjoy their personal lives they want to bring this Nation down once and for all. We have come to a intersection in time that elections are 4 year battles where each side hates the other side until the next election. Doesn't help the Nation at all , if you ran a business like that it would be out of business. Being totally honest would you agree to live under open borders, fully supporting illegal immigrants with a free life as you work, allowing Islamic Terrorist to live among us because they vote democratic, being taxed and over charged for everything to keep the sheep beholden to the rulers. If your answer is yes your about to be living in heaven 1/21/2021.

Our government supports half the population depending who's in charge. I feel the Country should be split in half and run two governments so all the people are supported by their government equally or go the route winner take all and water the tree of liberty like Thomas Jefferson eluded to in 1787.

 

[hunter1959]

the reason it is falling behind is that we have, in our complacency and personal self actualization (those of us who cherish work and personal achievement), have failed to see what drives "average" personal motivation... the people who are sitting with their hands out, and within whom are the targets of the left, are self indulgent and entitled, in their own minds, to be carried by the government.... the very same government who tax the hell out of us who work.... there is little to see here, we built this mountain of a problem by letting the left get away with it...

 

[HousePlant]

Yes, and why I am not having children. I will not subject my blood to a globalist, marxist or socialist future.

My theory is that the US cannot successfully replicate the idealistic social structures of Northern Europe. Our government is too different, our country is too big and unhealthy, and our economy has been dependent the success of pioneering risk takers which would have little to no incentive in a socialist environment. On top of this, I believe Northern Europe cannot sustain their social structures without US military protection. Once we pull back US military protection to pay for social programs like socialized healthcare, free college, etc., they will be left vulnerable and either have to pay for their own military expansion leaving less money for their social programs or they will overrun by either Russia or China, or both.

Not a single social net in the United States is in the black (funding wise). Social security is something I will likely not reap the benefit of because its funds have been raided by both parties when it should have been 100% off limits with criminal repercussions otherwise just like a private fund. And it is that point -- that the government can just change a law -- that makes socialism scary. Watch 2A disappear. Watch the the dominoes fall.

 

[Flyinghunter]

The term conservative strikes me as a failed adjective. For the last 20-30 years the " conservatives" seem to fail miserably at conserving anything.

I'm moving on to the term constitutionalist. Albeit the "Deplorable" version.

 

[Amanda4461]

If you look at the number of legal, illegal and chain migrants, you will understand why we are in deep doo. Even before the obomination, both the two parties of lying incompetent thieves have been giving this country away. The immigration isn’t one of hard working, assimilation is great type folks. It is a bunch of retards like Omar and AOC and Tlaib who abuse the systems, get people to fall for their lies, and somehow manage to keep breathing air in spite of their thieving ways. If RESET is another word for a countrywide license with no bag limits, all the better it happen before all the boomers are dead and nobody is left to give a shit. There is more of “them” than there are of “us” because all they do is suck on the teat of welfare and get preggars, spitting them out one after another. One can hope that the Mexicans and Chinese sell enough cheap Fentanyl to drastically reduce the liberal population.

 

[acudaowner]

unless god takes mercy on the lazy . Id be prepared to kiss it all good bye under the socialist and there children , conservatives played the wrong game and got too lazy for far too long and are out bread into submission allowing it all to happen around them with out much of a squeak till the end .

 

[Moe Ron]

Basically individual freedom and responsibility are hard. People don’t want freedom, they want to be taken care of.
Being taken care of is a very revolting to me. I dread the day I am too feeble to care for myself. Many don’t.

 

[Mister Ridge]

Liberals recogonize the big problem but offer poison solutions.

Conservatives ignore the big problem.

 

[chevy_man]

The pendulum swings back and forth. It just takes time, and people to do the right thing at the right time.

 

[Mk16.5]

money talks and bullshit walks. follow the money. Everything else is pro wrestling

 

[supercorndogs]

Conservative values always win out. Sometimes its not until people start starving though.

 

[timbrline]

We have been trying to compromise for years now with two diametrically opposing systems that can not exist at the same time.

you can not have a constitutional republic based on God given inalienable rights, AND “socialist collective take and redistribute” ideologies in practice at the same time.

One must destroy the other to exist in function and operation.

this isn’t Trump or Biden... just the current figure heads of an ideological war... although the outcome of the current circumstances will be a huge leap for one side or the other.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Yes, and why I am not having children. I will not subject my blood to a globalist, marxist or socialist future.

That kind of sort of sounds like turning over the entire future to your enemies.

Children are excellent in times of adversity if you have trained them right & have plenty of them.

What you want to do is train your children to be in the world but not be part of the world, or in other terms be red like a radish.
Teach them how to be the underground resistance, pretending to be innocent and going along with everything on the outside, while on the inside they are carrying the torch of freedom and working covertly against their enemies.

Children are very capable of being quite crafty and able to play infiltrators to perfection.

BUT it means giving up your cushy lifestyle and dedicating every waking moment you can, to training and teaching your children to be the new underground resistance. They might be going to a Communist party school and they may have even denounced one of the teachers for disloyalty to the party, but it wasn't because they actually were good party zombies, they were rather following orders from the underground to eliminate a certain teacher.

 

[xxflyingturtlexx]

The minute we break up big tech, media dominance on public, they will do the right thing. Most voted for Biden because they were brainwashed to hate Trump. For 5 years now.

More people voted for Trump this year than 2016. By millions. And we can comfortably say there are tons of questionable votes to Biden.

Dems need to be careful with these social media giants. Those companies in this for different reasons and the min they no longer need these dems they will throw them o

 

[TexPatriot]

A clip of some beauty pageant contestant was recently shown on a MSM Leftist talk show after she proudly announced she was a Conservative, a gun owner/shooter and a staunch supporter of the Constitution and the 2nd A.

One of the things she was vilified for was, like, OMG, she was seen saying the Pledge of Allegiance! *gasp

She's also black and the Left wing lady commentator, who was also black, acted like she was a Klan member.

If she and Whoopi Goldberg ever caught her on the street they would whoop 'dat bitch's azz back to the plantation..

 

[rlarsen462]

If she and Whoopi Goldberg ever caught her on the street they would whoop 'dat bitch's azz back to the plantation..

Yeah except for that little "she supports the 2A part"...