It is indeed an M24R. I added the MARS rail, but otherwise it's stock from when I bought it from Euro Optic a few years ago.
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It is indeed an M24R. I added the MARS rail, but otherwise it's stock from when I bought it from Euro Optic a few years ago.
Good rifle, one of the better programs I came up with when at RAC. Execution of it sucked due to the interference of a dumbass, but it is what it is.
“The only thing used by the military on that gun is the stock, perhaps the trigger and floor plate, everything else is new.“
Yes, but other than CMP’s vintage 1940s-50s era M1 Garands, the US Army is pretty effective in de-milling/destroying former US Army weapons, and parts. Very little of it exists in the private market. Thus the original “camo” painted take-off M24R stocks are unique. You know better than me, but I think the US Army only allowed Remington ~3500 stocks (EDIT/Correction: 2,000) to be sold on the M24Rs, so the supply is limited, compared to the volume of M700 rifles sold.
I will note that McMillian sold the well-used USMC M40A1 “return” stocks back in 2006-07 for about $260 shipped - but today they bring 4x to 6x times more $ given market scarcity. My M24R rifle only costs me $2k in 2015, but today I think on gun broker it would sell for $3k or more due to supply constraints. ($5500 plus with original optics and goodies - but I would never sell my M24R rifle). It’s the closest I’ll get to a real M24, and I guess as a collector, the military service-based patina of the painted stock (and apparently some old skate-board tape as well) appeals to me. I like the patina, just as I like the old camo paint and patina of my painted M40A1 stock. To others of course it’s basically just an old beat-up stock...my 2cts.
Yes, but other than CMP’s vintage 1940s-50s era M1 Garands, the US Army is pretty effective in de-milling/destroying former US Army weapons, and parts. Very little of it exists in the private market. Thus the original “camo” painted take-off M24R stocks are unique. You know better than me, but I think the US Army only allowed Remington ~3500 stocks (EDIT/Correction: 2,000) to be sold on the M24Rs, so the supply is limited, compared to the volume of M700 rifles sold.
I will note that McMillian sold the well-used USMC M40A1 “return” stocks back in 2006-07 for about $260 shipped - but today they bring 4x to 6x times more $ given market scarcity. My M24R rifle only costs me $2k in 2015, but today I think on gun broker it would sell for $3k or more due to supply constraints. ($5500 plus with original optics and goodies - but I would never sell my M24R rifle). It’s the closest I’ll get to a real M24, and I guess as a collector, the military service-based patina of the painted stock (and apparently some old skate-board tape as well) appeals to me. I like the patina, just as I like the old camo paint and patina of my painted M40A1 stock. To others of course it’s basically just an old beat-up stock...my 2cts.
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The number wasn't 3500, I don't remember exactly what it was but less than that. I totally get what you are saying and I have to be honest and admit that I am personally spoiled and biased having carried the gun on active duty, taught many sniper courses using it and then dealing with it pretty much daily while at RAC.
Its definitely a collector piece and you got it at a good price. Given the state of RAC and impending demise it could be worth even more in coming years.
Its definitely a collector piece and you got it at a good price. Given the state of RAC and impending demise it could be worth even more in coming years.
You know I would have given this a "love", but I still have all that inner ."308-Hate" going on....Keeping this thread alive - been contemplating adding an AE M24 suppressor and/or Badger M24 trigger guard with detachable magazine, but I think I may just keep it like this:
I have not seen data re how many were sold, but I did find the original 2012 announcement, which noted that Remington's proposal to the US Army was for only 2,000 M24Rs, so I assume sales were around that level:
Remington Military Rebuilding/Refurbishing U.S. Military Sniper-Used M24 Sniper Weapon System Sniper Rifles for Non-Military/Commercial Sale. Very Interesting.
By David Crane defrev (at) gmail (dot) com January 5, 2012 Last updated on 1/07/12. DefenseReview (DR) has received the following article-format history on the Remington M24 Sniper Weapon System sniper rifle, the XM2010 sniper rifle program, and the Remington M24 Commercial...
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Remington Military Rebuilding/Refurbishing U.S. Military Sniper-Used M24 Sniper Weapon System Sniper Rifles for Non-Military/Commercial Sale. Very Interesting.
January 5, 2012
...here's where the 2012 announcement noted "less than 2,000 systems," but I wasn't sure if that included just the complete M24R SWS system with deployment case, or if the 'Rifle only' volumes were included in that total.
...Anyhow, I think the M24Rs are a good investment given the limited production with take-off parts, etc. I would never sell mine, it will be passed down.
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Which parts exactly are "take-off" parts on the M24R?
Obviously the stock is, but what other parts were issued/used prior to Remington re-building these into complete M24s?
Obviously the stock is, but what other parts were issued/used prior to Remington re-building these into complete M24s?
How did your rifle come, rifle itself or rifle with scope. Seems just the stock and bottom metal, looks to me that the narreled action and trigger are new manufacture.
On mine it was clearly the stock and bottom metal. Per Remington's contract with the US Army, all serviceable parts that were removed for the M2010 program could be re-used on the M24R rebuilds. I think Remington apparently refinished some parts, ie, scope mounts, iron sight blocks, etc, so its hard to say exactly what small parts are take-off versus replaced parts. I think the old Redfield iron sight mounting blocks are refinished original parts, as the originals haven't been made since the late 80s. (Mine has the later OK Weber iron sight mounts which are a little different than the late 1980's Redfield parts).
To the best of my knowledge, there were 3 parts that were always new on the M24Rs:
1. M24R receiver's are new as the US Army re-used the serviceable ones for the M2010s, and US Army will not allow its serial numbered receivers to be re-sold to the public. (Note: Any M24/M2010 receiver that develops or exhibits a potential issue is destroyed by Remington as part of their support contract with the DoD).
2. M24 fire control unit (trigger and safety) are new, as it would be too much liability for Remington to re-sell a used trigger unit that might be been modified, worn-out, or otherwise 'messed with' in its military service, resulting in a unsafe firing mechanism. The new M24R triggers went through the same rigerous testing protocol that the military requires.
3. M24 barrels are new for obvious reasons - who wants to buy an M24R with a potentially worn-out barrel? Again, these are mil-spec M24 barrels that go through an extra honing process by Remington Defense, stamped '7.62 NATO' etc.
As for the other small parts, if they were serviceable they were apparently refinished and re-used. If not, they were replaced. Some kits had painted scope rings, scope rails, and some Harris bipods that matched the camo job on the stock, but I was not lucky enough to get the whole kit with such parts. (Pic #4 is not my M24R, but it came with the take-off/matching Leupold M3A optic and the long discontinued one-piece scope rail. I am 99% sure the scope, sunshade, rings, and scope rail are associated with that painted M24 stock while in military service....not all M24Rs had that level of matching take-off parts, but many did).
My take-off optic is a 1989 dated M3A Ultra that had its camo paint removed at some point in the past, with only some remaining on the rear lens cover, etc. I had it sent back to Leupold for a no-cost Warranty/Inspection process as it had fine grit or debris in the rear ocular. They replaced that glass and reticle and returned the scope to me with all the patina in tact, but with new glass. Rings are also take-off parts.
As noted in the last picture, my projects often start with a take-off stock: M40A1 on top, and my Navy Mk 13 Mod 3 project is in process (bottom stock).
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Today I finally learned the answer to that question about the mysterious Leupold Mk 4, 4.5-14x scope that Nick Irving was using on that M24 years ago (circa 2009). I am now convinced it was actually a specially-made scope used on the relatively low production US Army Ranger-specific 300 WinMag rifle, the Mk 13 Mod 2. Another forum member found one of these scopes, and apparently it's a first focal plane scope with BDC turrets for use with the "A191 300 WinMag" ammo. The scopes are reportedly dated to 2002. (K-suffix serial #). (EDIT: Perhaps Premier Reticles converted them to 1st Focal Plane?)
As far as I can tell from the Mk 13 literature, apparently they don't have a local NSN #, which is odd. Leupold's custom shop (or Premier Reticle?) must have made a small number for the Rangers's back in 2002-3. I don't think Leupold sold First Focal Plan commercial scopes with variable power until 2007 or so....hence the Leupold 4.5-14x scopes with M3 turrets used on the Mk 13 Mod 2's are really unique little scopes. Just an fyi to close the loop on this question from months ago...
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Interesting, circa 2002 obviously no mk4's back then but vari-x. I believe I have seen some of the leupys with premier reticles in ffp wonder who supplied them.
Sadly, I wish there were things us "old Scrollers" got that the "new Scrollers" got. I remember getting laughed at in 1985 for suggesting we go to a bolt action rifle for better accuracy. It even went so far as an E-7, who was in that meeting , afterwards telling me what a 'stieeuuwwpud idea' that was! WOW!
Of course, technology hadn't caught up to us in any form or fashion.
here are the three 4.5-14x 40mm Mildot F1 m3 turrets. I have been building a mod 2 for a while and never expected to stumble onto these. Now i want to put one on an m24. Single scope is mine, USMCSGT got the other pair and posted photos in the mk13 thread.
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For those that have bought the EuroOptics M24, what trigger pull weight are you experiencing?
Mine must be close to 4 pounds and makes accuracy hard to accomplish. So far I have been able to shoot under some 1/2 MOA but I think the gun is capable of better with a lighter trigger pull.
Mine must be close to 4 pounds and makes accuracy hard to accomplish. So far I have been able to shoot under some 1/2 MOA but I think the gun is capable of better with a lighter trigger pull.
I think this link might be bad now, but here's some relevant info: http://www.snipershide.com/m24-sniper-weapons-system
...each M24 trigger goes through a good bit of testing as noted above, and ~ 4 lbs (or a tad less) is what one should expect for a mil-spec M24 trigger pull.
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Mine (M24r) is set at 3#. I can sneak it into the .3s for 5/100m
Not sure a lighter trigger will help me any.
Not sure a lighter trigger will help me any.
The M110-SASS EMA-ARD is what I found. Its plastic bodied versus aluminum. Threads screw on secure.
They are three ema's that I know off, plastic and metal basically off the M110 and the early ema for the M24
I have no idea whether or not the later plastic and metal versions were issued with the M24. As for the original ema, never even saw a picture of the original dual threaded ard until recently, that is correct.
As seen in post #578, there are apparently 3 flavors of 40mm ERDs (aka LFUs) for Leupold scopes - but their is an important nuance to the part you seek.
Leupold changed the thread pitch in 2004 on their tactical scopes, so the sunshades (and ERDs) for the pre-2004 scopes don't fit the post-2004 scopes very well - if at all. The original ERD (on far right of that pic) is hard to find. Its fits the old Ultra M3A scope (circa 1987-1992/3) and the Mk 4, 10x scopes made circa 1993 to 2003.
The middle ERD with scan tag is reportedly an M110 unit, and fits the "post-2004" scopes (ie, M110 was adopted ~ 2008, and the Leupold FDE 3.5-10x scopes have the 'post-2004' type threads). You might be able to find one on eBay, maybe...
The plastic one on the far left (see attached) is more common and I think its still in production. I was able to find 2 of them this year. It fits the post-2004 Leupold scopes, and were issued with the US Army M14-EBR-RI beginning in 2009 (see 2nd pic of US Army M14-EBRs in training exercise).
Anyhow, just wanted to point out a thread pitch change occurred on Leupold tactical scopes circa 2004 - and how that impacts what ERD/LFU can be utilized. The majority of M24s likely had pre-2004 scopes (either M3A Ultra or the later Mk 4 after 1993) and presumably the large early aluminum ERD with the white alignment line as seen in the other post. If you have a pre-2004 era Leupold scope, then you'll have to hunt one down...
I suppose it is possible that some Leupold scopes were damaged in combat and replaced in the 2004-2009 era with current production Mk 4, 10x scopes - and thus conceivably some could have a post-2004 scope and possibly use an M110 type ERD unit, but that is just a guess. Good luck in your search.
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Not in person. Attached pics are not my rifle, but I know the owner with the attached set-up on his XM25 replica.
I tried to buy this ARD unit and the neat scope covers with an 1990-dated M3A scope I got from him, but he kept these two rare parts...
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Lol, neither have I, only for you I have only seen the pics once, at least its a reference.
If anyone is interested I a few adapters that let you use the "old" scope shades and ERD's on the "new" scopes.
Finished up modding a WB490 rear and swapped out the OK Weber bases. Wanted to return this to an early issued configuration.
Rifle has small logo buttpad, Dakota bottom metal, 1989 Ultra M3a and rings/bases. Just received a 1995 dated sling and old style Allen case to finish it up.
Was also fortunate enough to snag an as new M49 kit to go with it.
Rifle has small logo buttpad, Dakota bottom metal, 1989 Ultra M3a and rings/bases. Just received a 1995 dated sling and old style Allen case to finish it up.
Was also fortunate enough to snag an as new M49 kit to go with it.
I believe it was the plastic lsu that I found was sloppy in fit. Once I dig it out I will check.
I do the shaping, low psi glass bead and parkerizing here at home. A little time consuming but nothing bad.
I'm thinking about building a M24 clone.
Given the long action I'm thinking about fitting a 1-8" 308win barrel and use 180 and 198gr Warner Flatline bullets.
Has anyone tried this? What about bullet point damage during feeding from magazine.
A 308win with 198gr Flatline can really scare the 6 and 6.5s at long ranges
Given the long action I'm thinking about fitting a 1-8" 308win barrel and use 180 and 198gr Warner Flatline bullets.
Has anyone tried this? What about bullet point damage during feeding from magazine.
A 308win with 198gr Flatline can really scare the 6 and 6.5s at long ranges
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I'm thinking about building a M24 clone.
Given the long action I'm thinking about fitting a 1-8" 308win barrel and use 180 and 198gr Warner Flatline bullets.
Has anyone tried this? What about bullet point damage during feeding from magazine.
A 308win with 198gr Flatline can really scare the 6 and 6.5s at long ranges
Not sure you could quite call it a clone, with different barrel specs. I'm sure some of ftr guys have considered or tried the long action. But with a short action and single feeding those long bullets provided one has enough freebore don't cause an issue. Unfortunately with a long freebore one can have issues with 175's and lower. As for the loading long in the m24, I'm using 175lrbt's, loaded to a long coal, with the bdl box interior dimensions again no issue. As for bullet point damage never an issue I ran into.
If one wants to compete with the 6.5 Creedmore or 6.5 PRC that shoot accurately out to 1200 to 1500 yards - and is considering using a long action M700 - then I suggest 300 WinMag, not a 308W. The 300 WinMag has enough powder capacity to launch a 190 to 230 grain bullet at a high enough velocity to compete with the 6.5 CM/PRC. The 308W can't do that, esp with a heavy 198 grain bullet - that's what the 300 WinMag was invented and used for... The US Army wanted more range out of their M24s, so a decade ago they re-barreled all those long actions into 300 WinMag and haven't looked back. The Mk 248 Mod 1 ammo (with 220 grain bullet) has an effective range of 1500 meters, which is basically the max range of 140-147gr 6.5 CM/PRC ammo. Barrel life is shorter though. My 2cts.
See post #671, this guy took two Mk 13 Mod 0 stocks, and built one replica in 300 WinMag, and built the other replica in 6.5x55 Swede, which with modern/full-power loads is a true long-range rifle that uses a long action. (Note: Lapua loads their 6.5x55 ammo at full power for modern actions, etc). Another option?...
Mk 13 Mod 0 stock
Fellas I just received my Mod 0 barrel blank from Lilja to my front door in 15 days. Wow!
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It wouldn’t be clone if you do this. You might as well just do a rifle the way you want to. M24 it wouldn’t be.I'm thinking about building a M24 clone.
Given the long action I'm thinking about fitting a 1-8" 308win barrel and use 180 and 198gr Warner Flatline bullets.
Has anyone tried this? What about bullet point damage during feeding from magazine.
A 308win with 198gr Flatline can really scare the 6 and 6.5s at long ranges
The only deviation from a bone stock in a long action M24 is 1-8" twist in the barrel and probably some changes to the 308 chamber config to handle the very long 198gr Flatbase. Doing this, and if the very sensitive tips on these bullets are not damaged during feeding from a long m700 action, this M24 will have 1500yds+ range and still be backward compatible with linked MG 146gr Nato ball ammo in a SHTF scenario. I do not need 300wm when I can shoot at the same range with a cleverly loaded 308win.
The 198gr FB in a 300wm will outranges a 308 with a wide margin but then again; you have a single shot rifle, less barrellife, etc, etc..
198gr Flatbase in 308: https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...atlines-elr-in-mt-results-from-field.6639490/
The 198gr FB in a 300wm will outranges a 308 with a wide margin but then again; you have a single shot rifle, less barrellife, etc, etc..
198gr Flatbase in 308: https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...atlines-elr-in-mt-results-from-field.6639490/
It won’t be an M24 clone though. You are just putting a long action together with 1/8 twist and calling it an M24 clone. That’s a farce. Nice idea but not even close to a clone. Probably deserves to be on a different thread. Not being a smarty pants. Just being real.
Your M49 is a nice find! I've got an M48 TM dated 7/59 you can have if you want it. Main differences are leather straps. Tripod & can are the same. LMK.
Since the original ema's and matching ards are rarer than hens teeth, looked at the manual and saw this. Obviously whether they were issued items with the SWS is another thing.
