Atlas Bi-Pod Junk???

[3.43Stiller]

Before all you guys that tend to ride what ever trend is hot and start running your mouths.... I realize that they are on every cover of every gun magazine across the States but have you ever extended the legs all the way out? I am very unimpressed with the amount of play in them. When I spoke with B&T at Shot Show they said they were aware and the newer "ones" would have less..... But I haven't noticed much/enough from old to new. Don't preach to me about putting a load on them before I shoot, they should be more sturdy.... I love every other feature but I think I'd go with a Harris. JMO. What say you?

Oh! By the way... Last I checked I/ was the ONLY authorized Atlas dealer in the State of Nevada. www.facebook.com/locknloadelko

 

[hwgunner]

I am new to this game and recently got one for my tactical rifle. I opened mine and immediately called my brother who has more experience than I do and he said put a load on it too. Are you kidding? Even when closed mine moves around a bit and and rattles. Is this really the way it is?

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[Mendy300wm]

Then sell it and get a Harris... Simple as pie.

How do you shoot with it? That is after all kinda the point

I went from a Harris to atlas and it's not even close but everyone is entitled to their opinion...

 

[Gray]

They are meant to have that play in them. Once you load it, it's solid... The Atlas also allows you to pan left and right so they have to have a joint that will allow that movement.

 

[SRSDriver]

That play is for loading the bipod. But I will trade you straight across for a harris if you want. No play in the harris legs.

 

[Name Enough]

I have both and the play in the Atlas seem to work better for loading and results in better accuracy. You should not load too much to create tension. I also allow a little play in the Midwest Industries QD mount.

 

[Svendogg]

Yeah it's definitely a pile. I'll take it off your hands though, got a build wrapping up in the next few weeks and could put it on that, match the 2 other that I got... A trifecta!

Man if I was a manufacturer I would be pretty pissed that my dealer went and started a thread just to kinda trash me. Maybe that's just me being sensitive though...

 

[bogeybrown]

Man if I was a manufacturer I would be pretty pissed that my dealer went and started a thread just to kinda trash me. Maybe that's just me being sensitive though...

Yep, I'm with you on that one brother.
[MENTION=1217]Kasey[/MENTION] set up a very generous group buy for us on the new PSR bipods and the customer service and final product was way beyond my expectations.

In other threads Kasey has been the first guy to lay out where the Atlas excels and where you're better off buying a Harris. Who does that? I've never seen him try to sell the Atlas as the solution to everyone's problem. It's a solid product that suits some shooters and not others.

 

[Recreational Shooter WA]

Junk...not how I would describe the Atlas. But, it is certainly different than say a Harris. FWIW, the first group I shot with the Atlas, which was at about 545 yards, was actually the best group I ever shot at that distance. Kinda one of those anomalistic groups. I had previously been using a Harris.

After taking a few shots with my rifle, a fellow shooter was admiring it and we both agreed it offered many things a Harris does not, but neither of us would completely switch over. For my needs, it's nice to have both.

The more I shoot the Atlas though, the less I want to shoot the Harris.

 

[S12A]

play is good. locking legs is good.

the only thing i dislike about the ATLAS is having to push a button to deploy the legs. i like them locking down but not up. most people dont mind this though, and it's certainly not a reflection of quality just a good design.

 

[orkan]

We've been selling them for a couple years now, and I've been shooting them since they came out. They are my favorite bipods!

Not everyone likes them though. I find it is especially true for people that have not been instructed in the finer points of building a proper firing position.

 

[BobinNC]

As an owner of three Harris (all HBRS), 2 Atlas and one Tango-Down Bi-pod, I can safely say that the Atlas is the superior system for just about any bolt action application. I find the Tango-Down ACB-4 marginally more useful than the regular BT10 Atlas for use with an AR15 when your trying to use a 30 rd mag prone, because of it's greater minimum height, but the new Atlas PSR Tall will correct that issue very nicely.

 

[gundamit]

Academy in Reno is a dealer and Guns and ammo in Las Vegas recently became a dealer as well(not listed on b&t, but they have it in the show room). If you don't like it sell it and move on, from experience isn't it all user preference anyways? The whole "pick the right tool" for the job saying.... I'm sure if you gave it more of a chance you'll warm up to it. If not send it my way and I will give it a good home

 

[Redmanss]

Before all you guys that tend to ride what ever trend is hot and start running your mouths.... I realize that they are on every cover of every gun magazine across the States but have you ever extended the legs all the way out? I am very unimpressed with the amount of play in them. When I spoke with B&T at Shot Show they said they were aware and the newer "ones" would have less..... But I haven't noticed much/enough from old to new. Don't preach to me about putting a load on them before I shoot, they should be more sturdy.... I love every other feature but I think I'd go with a Harris. JMO. What say you?

Oh! By the way... Last I checked I/ was the ONLY authorized Atlas dealer in the State of Nevada. www.facebook.com/locknloadelko

Then sell the rest of your inventory and quit being a dealer for them. If I was [MENTION=1217]Kasey[/MENTION], I'd help you right along with that anyhow for being a dealer who openly bashes the product online.

For the record, I use and recommend both Harris and Atlas, all depending on what the application is. The Atlas are more versatile than Harris, but most bench and groomed range shooters don't see the real benefits to them in use. Accuracy and flexibility wise? Atlas gets the nod there from me. Speed? Harris, of course.

 

[backcountryguide]

After running Atlas for the past three years on all my rigs I can't hit shit shooting off the Harris. I do think I need to buy another Harris and revisit this problem but for now Ive gotten so use to the load on the Atlas it seems silly to shoot anything else. My recent .338 project had me wondering about trying another Harris but it seems like the Atlas won out on that big bastard also. Running them on a rail is far superior to attaching a Harris to the swivel, it use to piss me off having to fuck with it all the time to square it back up. I broke the stud clean off a Sendero a couple times with the Harris.

 

[blair]

We've been selling them for a couple years now, and I've been shooting them since they came out. They are my favorite bipods!

Not everyone likes them though. I find it is especially true for people that have not been instructed in the finer points of building a proper firing position.

This may be spot on ^^^^^

 

[19Scout77]

First you bash Cameraland now B&T. In less than a month , you have single-handedly proven thousands upon thousands of loyal experienced shooting customers were totally incorrect in their opinions of well respected vendors and products. Thank you sir , the shooting community needed such a sage advisor to save it from itself.

BTW have you familiarized yourself with the ignore user function? I am assuming not...but thankfully most others have. Goodbye.

 

[branson1369]

Op it is your shop and your call of what to stock. That said if I were BT I would cut my loss with you as a dealer for sure. As a Ffl and SOT I only carry products I am willing to support from a quality perspective.

Atlas is top shelf kit for the Tactical Rifle Shooting Community that has the highest level of both quality and customer service. Aye you should get some range time with one

 

[trickyric]

I have both and used the Atlas at K&M school. None of the instructors were fans of them.
I have to be honest and say that the right/left swivel was a pain in the ass because while I have training and can stay down on the rifle calling my hits or misses. There was a constant problem with shifts in the sandy ground from recoil moving the legs slightly right or left.
I found myself coming off the rifle to reset the the bipod feet way to often.
If they could come up with a feature to lock the side to side when you don't want it that would stay locked I would buy that.
Otherwise the loading of the Atlas is just about perfect.
I guess nothing is 100%

 

[KUSA]

I can't believe someone said the word Atlas and junk in the same breath.

Bro you have a problem perceiving reality. Atlas is awesome.

 

[Punisher29073]

Maybe he has the eBay model????.?

Ryan

 

[backcountryguide]

I have a question why does someone come onto a forum with a total of 14 post acting like a dick hole licker and accuse other members of running their mouths about a proven product? If you dont like them thats fine but dont try to belittle the rest of us for using them. Like others have already stated less talk and more shooting might change your opinion. And nobody gives a shit if your the only Atlas dealer in Nevada we can just order them from someone with a more professional attitude.

 

[siscoe308]

Both have their advantages. But coming onto a fanboy site such as the Hide with such a broad statement is dumb. To many ppl have/ use both and know what suits their needs.

 

[LawnMM]

First you bash Cameraland now B&T. In less than a month , you have single-handedly proven thousands upon thousands of loyal experienced shooting customers were totally incorrect in their opinions of well respected vendors and products. Thank you sir , the shooting community needed such a sage advisor to save it from itself.

BTW have you familiarized yourself with the ignore user function? I am assuming not...but thankfully most others have. Goodbye.

He has like 14 posts under his belt and a few weeks as a user, smells like troll to me. He may even be pissed at that shop and he's trying to stir the pot here.

 

[Killswitch Engage]

I ain't a hater but I tried the atlas fully for 2 yrs. give it my best to like it and while a couple features i do...most I don't. I recently went back to Harris. To each his own I say. I don't think the atlas is junk and I get why there is play here and there etc but there are some features unconducive to accuracy in it that don't work for me. Use what you like and what works for you.

 

[r.patrick]

There is something to be said for professionalism........of which you have shown none. Whether you like the product or not.

 

[Adam B]

What the op is trying to do here is market himself/business. Start a thread with a controversial title (that they know will get attention), check, then promote their business with a link, check, and then manage to slam one of the best manufactures out there, check, pretty pathetic.

 

[Midwestside]

^ bingo.

 

[Deadshot2]

Doesn't matter what the product is. Cars, TV's, Rifles, Scopes, bipods, etc.

Some will like what they buy, others won't and get something different. That's why life is full of choices. You can get what YOU like and so can the OTHER guy.

 

[shoot4fun]

So B&T is hanging out an ad for a new exclusive Atlas dealer in NV. Who's in?
Seriously, I gave the Atlas a try (several different versions) and, being a long-time Harris user, it just didn't work for me. As stated above maybe I don't have those finer points of position building but the ones I have work for me. Maybe it should be said that using an Atlas bipod requires some retraining for all but those who have never really used a bipod.
To say Atlas bipods are junk is just wrong.

 

[hwgunner]

We've been selling them for a couple years now, and I've been shooting them since they came out. They are my favorite bipods!

Not everyone likes them though. I find it is especially true for people that have not been instructed in the finer points of building a proper firing position.

this seems like it may be true but the problem I have (not practical) with loading is doesn't that mean you have to rely on muscle memory?? and isn't that bad? or do you load somehow without using muscles to keep it loaded. I guess that is another thread though.

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[Tactical]

If your loading bipod with muscle your screwed. Load it by body position.

The idea that an Atlas is junk is dam dumb. Very well made and durable as all heck

A bad shooter blames his gear

 

[Bounce]

I've had the BT 10 for about a year. After fiddling with it a little too much to loosen the tension, I broke it, sent it back to B&T, and Kasey sent me a new one immediately, no questions. Here on the Hide, Kasey and B&T offered the new PSR Atlas which I ordered in the BT 17 version, which is way stout and quite a bit taller. It is one incredible bi-pod and loads great under my semi-auto .308. The Harris is an OK bi-pod, but it's cheap feeling and I really dislike the springs which will clog with dirt and likely rust in short order. The OP is obviously trolling, but coming up empty.
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[gundamit]

He is definitely not the only dealer in NV

 

[Armored Transport]

While we are Bi-Poding....Any pro's or con's on the GG&G offerings?

 

[3.43Stiller]

Yeah it's definitely a pile. I'll take it off your hands though, got a build wrapping up in the next few weeks and could put it on that, match the 2 other that I got... A trifecta!

Man if I was a manufacturer I would be pretty pissed that my dealer went and started a thread just to kinda trash me. Maybe that's just me being sensitive though...

I thought this was a place that shooting enthusiast come to compare products, etc.... and talk about them....?

To all the helpful comments/post THANK YOU.

 

[3.43Stiller]

He is definitely not the only dealer in NV

I just off the Atlas website and there IS another distributor that just started in Reno. But I'm sure you knew that along with everything else.....

 

[Mendy300wm]

I thought this was a place that shooting enthusiast come to compare products, etc.... and talk about them....?

To all the helpful comments/post THANK YOU.

That's not how you start the conversation, and this conversation has been had over and fucking over again. You're a troll and you got what you wanted.

 

[3.43Stiller]

All you SUPER Sensitive members give open discussion and forum talk a BAD name. Re-read the my original post.... it was a question and a opinion.

I am "unprofessional" if I do not agree with you all or what's hot??? Hmmm so be it.

By the way TACTICAL, you spell "dumb" NOT dum dipshit. Check your post

 

[Bradu]

I'll take an atlas over a harris any day. It took a while for me to be convinced they were worth the money before I bought one but once I did the harris bipods either went on the wife's rifle or I gave them to my brother.

 

[sidewaysil80]

I don't see why people are bashing because he is an Atlas dealer and not happy with the product. Frankly, I would buy from a dealer who gives me his honest opinion rather than just peddle an item blindly because he is affiliated with the company.

 

[gundamit]

I just off the Atlas website and there IS another distributor that just started in Reno. But I'm sure you knew that along with everything else.....

Actually I didn't but you indicated that you were the only one in NV, which isn't true. I never checked academy but at guns and ammo in Vegas I have. They started to be a dealer after shot this year, but it doesn't surprise me that you would want to assume that I "am a now it all" just by some of your responses on this thread.

You ask for opinions and you got them, you gave yours in hopes of open discussion about the atlas an you get upset? What more of a discussion did you want? Folks here gave advice on how to run it. Its a leave it or love it deal with the atlas as is a lot of products.

If you hate it, like I said send it my way and I will give it a good home.

 

[orkan]

I don't see why people are bashing because he is an Atlas dealer and not happy with the product. Frankly, I would buy from a dealer who gives me his honest opinion rather than just peddle an item blindly because he is affiliated with the company.

Just because he has an opinion, doesn't mean we have to respect it. We're a dealer, and I have a polar opposite opinion.

 

[Svendogg]

I thought this was a place that shooting enthusiast come to compare products, etc.... and talk about them....?

To all the helpful comments/post THANK YOU.

You are correct, it most definitely is. And in my opinion I think its beneficial for the industry and it's manufacturers to have open and honest feedback from its end users, both positive and negative. I personally am a huge fan of B&T and the atlas bipod, because I feel its very sturdy, I believe that their customer service is fantastic, and their involvement in the sport is a huge asset. There are consumers that don't like the atlas bipod for various reasons and prefer to use a different brand, which is fantastic, and I/we value their opinion and appreciate their reasons as to why they prefer brand X over Brand Y. Shoot4fun & killswitch for example, prefers a different bipod, no one here gave them shit, and people respect their opinions.
If you don't like the Atlas Bipod, and you feel that they should be more sturdy, great. I'm happy to take yours off your hands. What baffles me, is when a vendor for a manufacturer STARTS a thread for a product that they are selling for a profit, and says that they wouldn't buy one. That's my issue. I just think, as a vendor who choses what products they do and don't want to sell, you wouldn't want to start a thread bashing your own product lines. If I were B&T I would be pulling my product off your shelves immediately. If I were Harris, or any manufacturer that you distribute I would pull every last product of mine off your shelves, because I wouldn't want someone selling my product that has a track record of STARTING threads to bash product lines they sell. Not to mention being condescending to their end users from the very first sentence.

And if this is your marketing strategy to get people to stop by your website, keep it up. Trashing both the manufactures who supply you with product to sell, and trashing the people whom you sell those products to, solid marketing plan you got going....

EDIT: and to clarify, I'm not suggesting that a vendor should not provide open and honest feedback to a consumer as to the pro's/con's, and preferences, as vendors provide huge amounts of knowledge that can help us consumers make the "best" decision. You that all the time on here. My differentiation is with starting a thread to speak negatively vs. providing opinions and feedback to someone else's question/concern.

 

[19Scout77]

I stopped by your site. The prominence of Blackhawk and Voodoo speaks volumes. Heres a helpful hint....black text on a nearly black background is a rookie mistake...but at least it functions to effectively edit the useless content of your site.

 

[sidewaysil80]

Just because he has an opinion, doesn't mean we have to respect it. We're a dealer, and I have a polar opposite opinion.

Without a doubt you are entitled to that opinion AND I agree with you. But why are people insinuating that because he's an atlas dealer he is supposed to only praise them.

 

[19Scout77]

If he does not believe in the product yet continues to sell them then he is a disengeuous scumbag.

 

[sidewaysil80]

Oh o.k. , glad that is cleared up. I didn't know retailers, dealers, etc. were only allowed to sell items they like. It makes much more sense for him to stop selling them and lose business just because he prefers an alternative or was disappointing after finally handling one.

I hardly reads that he "does not believe in" atlas bipods, it sounds more like he was questioning the wobble (regardless of whether he was correct or not).

 

[HodgdonExtreme]

I stopped by your site. The prominence of Blackhawk and Voodoo speaks volumes. Heres a helpful hint....black text on a nearly black background is a rookie mistake...but at least it functions to effectively edit the useless content of your site.

Winning!

He needs black text on black background to prove how tactical his business is.

 

[Layton]

I'll give you 2 Harris's of your choice for your Atlas. Even swap.

L