Atlas Bi-Pod Junk???

LOCOBEAR · Jun 29, 2014

This is like a Honda dealer telling every customer he prefers Nissan's because Honda's are Junk??. Not only are the customers not going to buy Hondas from him, they're not even going to buy Nissans from him. The economy has made people stir crazy I tell you. You should be in the business you're in because you love what you do and sell the products you sell because you believe in them, if not, you're in the wrong business selling the wrong products. But that's just my opinion.

Rattler56 · Jun 29, 2014

Can you say Attention Whore.

Biggy · Jun 29, 2014

IMHO, while the Atlas bipods may not be perfect ( name something man made that is ), calling them junk is just plain stupid talk and a sign of ignorance.

trickyric · Jun 30, 2014

19Scout77 said:
If he does not believe in the product yet continues to sell them then he is a disengeuous scumbag.

No.
He is a retailer. If you owned a record store you would sell Miley Cirus music even if you hated her music.
You sell what the customers want and recommend what you believe in.

trickyric · Jun 30, 2014

LOCOBEAR said:
This is like a Honda dealer telling every customer he prefers Nissan's because Honda's are Junk??. Not only are the customers not going to buy Hondas from him, they're not even going to buy Nissans from him. The economy has made people stir crazy I tell you. You should be in the business you're in because you love what you do and sell the products you sell because you believe in them, if not, you're in the wrong business selling the wrong products. But that's just my opinion.

That is a terrible analogy.
That would mean he would have an "Atlas" exclusive store. Like the Oakley store.
He is more like Autonation who sells all makes of cars. He can have a preference and still sell other models that customers want.
Why all the hate for the guy because he doesn't like a popular Bipod?

jakelly · Jun 30, 2014

Sweet! Now all we need is a survey!

LOCOBEAR · Jun 30, 2014

trickyric said:
That is a terrible analogy.
That would mean he would have an "Atlas" exclusive store. Like the Oakley store.
He is more like Autonation who sells all makes of cars. He can have a preference and still sell other models that customers want.
Why all the hate for the guy because he doesn't like a popular Bipod?

No hating just opinions. The point is selling the product while condemning it at the same time. He has the right to do it but not good business sense. IMHO!!!

diverdon · Jun 30, 2014

3.43Stiller said:
I love every other feature but I think I'd go with a Harris. JMO. What say you?

Oh! By the way... Last I checked I/ was the ONLY authorized Atlas dealer in the State of Nevada. www.facebook.com/locknloadelko

I think you are a dirtbag. Why would you sell the product if you do not believe in it.

If I were a cynic I might guess that a dirt bag dealer who had stopped paying his bills and been cut off from new product might start a thread bashing the product hoping to provide a plausible explanation as to why they no longer carry that brand.

Alas, I am not a cynic so I am not making any guesses...........

GrantA · Jun 30, 2014

Is this for real? I clicked the link (to a facebook page) and the link from there to a website (Air Jordan shoes,Cheap jordans online,cheap jordans for sale,free shipping cheap jordans) is for a shoe store
Also a quick look at the facebook pictures shows the problem- they shoot with the bipod feet on top of sandbags instead of loading the legs- the Atlas kickstand is too wobbly of course.

It looks like you already have takers but if you end up stuck with it I'll swap you a Harris of your choice as well!

diverdon · Jun 30, 2014

Holy cripes, I wonder if He can cover his groups with a Tactical Quarter.

I'll leave it to VJJpunisher to speculate about any attachments that seat has.

trickyric · Jun 30, 2014

LOCOBEAR said:
No hating just opinions. The point is selling the product while condemning it at the same time. He has the right to do it but not good business sense. IMHO!!!

I don't see his post as "condemning". The subject line was aggressive but when you read the actual post it seem that he generally likes the design but not the play in the legs.
Again,
retailers sell lots of products they don't use. It's just business.

LOCOBEAR · Jun 30, 2014

trickyric said:
I don't see his post as "condemning". The subject line was aggressive but when you read the actual post it seem that he generally likes the design but not the play in the legs.
Again,
retailers sell lots of products they don't use. It's just business.

The word "Junk" especially being used in the title of your thread is a claim and it isn't praising. We clearly have different views about this subject and no point continuing unless it was over a beer watching the Dolphins at halftime.

backcountryguide · Jun 30, 2014

Operator as fuck when you shoot in a wife beater, boonie hat, and Underamour boots.

Kasey · Jun 30, 2014

3.43Stiller – I will try to address your statements one at a time, but first, by the title of your thread and the first line - "Atlas Bi-Pod Junk??? Before all you guys that tend to ride what ever trend is hot and start running your mouths..." is no way to start a meaningful discussion if that was your intention.

“When I spoke with B&T at Shot Show they said they were aware and the newer "ones" would have less..... But I haven't noticed much/enough from old to new.” So to be clear you handled the Atlas bipods at SHOT, was that 2014 SHOT? If it was then you could have handled the V8, PSR and the 5-H and felt the leg difference yourself between the V8 and PSR which is the “newer one” that has tighter tolerances.

I thought this was a place that shooting enthusiast come to compare products, etc.... and talk about them....? SH is a great place to discuss products, I’ve learned a lot from the members here, but you’re a little reckless with your words in suggesting “all you guys” that like and use the Atlas are trendy. So if you pull up here with all of 17 posts and want to play that way, I suggest you bring your "A" game.

“I just off the Atlas website and there IS another distributor that just started in Reno. But I'm sure you knew that along with everything else.....” Another member points out a fact that contradicts your statement and you suggest he’s a know-it-all, another sign of your recklessness.

“Don't preach to me about putting a load on them before I shoot, they should be more sturdy....” While I love good preaching, I'll not preach to you. The thought behind the tolerance between the inner and outer legs was to be able to quickly clear debris out. The FACT the play goes away when loaded was the basis for going forward with it. If you’re not loading your bipod your chasing cats.

“Oh! By the way... Last I checked I/ was the ONLY authorized Atlas dealer in the State of Nevada.”

I plan to call you about that, what name should I ask for?

hwgunner – please take the time to search SH for threads that discuss “Loading the Bipod” which applies to ALL bipods. But as another member stated that KNOWS “If your loading bipod with muscle your screwed. Load it by body position.” And on the Atlas, where did you buy it from?

trickyric – what distance were you shooting at K&M and was it for group or steel? [FONT=&quot]

“Why all the hate for the guy because he doesn't like a popular Bipod?”
No hate from me! But please don’t paint him as the victim here. No matter the subject matter, if your #14 post is; [/FONT][FONT=&quot]“[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Atlas Bi-Pod Junk??? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Before all you guys that tend to ride what ever trend is hot and start running your mouths....[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]" is like dropping a deuce in the neighbors pool and being surprised you don’t get an invite back.

Killswitch Engage – “but there are some features unconducive to accuracy in it that don't work for me” Please tell me what these features are, we are working on the 5-H and I want to make sure our bases are covered.


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I’m not sure what you are saying here, but B&T does not promote any of one of our dealers over another and I certainly would not do so in this manner.

“Seriously, I gave the Atlas a try (several different versions) and, being a long-time Harris user, it just didn't work for me. As stated above maybe I don't have those finer points of position building but the ones I have work for me.”

I appreciate your willingness to give the Atlas a try. The Atlas is different in every way from the Harris outside both attach to a firearm and have two legs. Everything you do with the Atlas legs is intentional, they will not deploy, fold, extend or retract unless you want them to. As far as “finer points of position building”, I doubt that’s the issue, I suspect your familiarity with the Harris vs. the Atlas worked against the Atlas. I mean we sold the Harris and I never thought there was a problem with them, our customers started asking about a different bipod, I listened. And I’m proud that our products have been of service to some shooters.

“Maybe it should be said that using an Atlas bipod requires some retraining for all but those who have never really used a bipod.” As silly as that may sound, there’s some truth to it! I cannot tell you how many people try to pull the legs down AFTER being told “push this button”!!! Which is really testimony to the Harris being THE bipod!

And to those that shared your thoughts and opinions, rock on! I have and will continue to respect others opinions when they are based on fact. And to those that use our products with success and enjoyment and have offered to share your experience with others, we are indebted to you. And last, I really don't care what bipod you shoot from, as long as you are shooting and lawfully demonstrating your right to do so!

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Triad · Jun 30, 2014

Happy Monday Kasey....

diverdon · Jun 30, 2014

3.43Stiller said:
Oh! By the way... Last I checked I/ was the ONLY authorized Atlas dealer in the State of Nevada. www.facebook.com/locknloadelko

Are you the owner of the gun store or are you a clerk at a gun store?

emsp · Jun 30, 2014

I want to know where I can procure some of the "tactical C clamps" shown in the picture.

Nortonious · Jun 30, 2014

1000 yard party

No issues with our Atlas Bipods this weekend.

(AICS rig felt left out, so we tossed in a couple knives)

Killswitch Engage · Jun 30, 2014

Kasey said:
3.43Stiller – I will try to address your statements one at a time, but first, by the title of your thread and the first line - "Atlas Bi-Pod Junk??? Before all you guys that tend to ride what ever trend is hot and start running your mouths..." is no way to start a meaningful discussion if that was your intention.

“When I spoke with B&T at Shot Show they said they were aware and the newer "ones" would have less..... But I haven't noticed much/enough from old to new.” So to be clear you handled the Atlas bipods at SHOT, was that 2014 SHOT? If it was then you could have handled the V8, PSR and the 5-H and felt the leg difference yourself between the V8 and PSR which is the “newer one” that has tighter tolerances.

I thought this was a place that shooting enthusiast come to compare products, etc.... and talk about them....? SH is a great place to discuss products, I’ve learned a lot from the members here, but you’re a little reckless with your words in suggesting “all you guys” that like and use the Atlas are trendy. So if you pull up here with all of 17 posts and want to play that way, I suggest you bring your "A" game.

“I just off the Atlas website and there IS another distributor that just started in Reno. But I'm sure you knew that along with everything else.....” Another member points out a fact that contradicts your statement and you suggest he’s a know-it-all, another sign of your recklessness.

“Don't preach to me about putting a load on them before I shoot, they should be more sturdy....” While I love good preaching, I'll not preach to you. The thought behind the tolerance between the inner and outer legs was to be able to quickly clear debris out. The FACT the play goes away when loaded was the basis for going forward with it. If you’re not loading your bipod your chasing cats.

“Oh! By the way... Last I checked I/ was the ONLY authorized Atlas dealer in the State of Nevada.”

I plan to call you about that, what name should I ask for?

hwgunner – please take the time to search SH for threads that discuss “Loading the Bipod” which applies to ALL bipods. But as another member stated that KNOWS “If your loading bipod with muscle your screwed. Load it by body position.” And on the Atlas, where did you buy it from?

trickyric – what distance were you shooting at K&M and was it for group or steel?

“Why all the hate for the guy because he doesn't like a popular Bipod?”
No hate from me! But please don’t paint him as the victim here. No matter the subject matter, if your #14 post is; “Atlas Bi-Pod Junk??? Before all you guys that tend to ride what ever trend is hot and start running your mouths...." is like dropping a deuce in the neighbors pool and being surprised you don’t get an invite back.

Killswitch Engage – “but there are some features unconducive to accuracy in it that don't work for me” Please tell me what these features are, we are working on the 5-H and I want to make sure our bases are covered.

shoot4fun – “So B&T is hanging out an ad for a new exclusive Atlas dealer in NV. Who's in?”

I’m not sure what you are saying here, but B&T does not promote any of one of our dealers over another and I certainly would not do so in this manner.

“Seriously, I gave the Atlas a try (several different versions) and, being a long-time Harris user, it just didn't work for me. As stated above maybe I don't have those finer points of position building but the ones I have work for me.”

I appreciate your willingness to give the Atlas a try. The Atlas is different in every way from the Harris outside both attach to a firearm and have two legs. Everything you do with the Atlas legs is intentional, they will not deploy, fold, extend or retract unless you want them to. As far as “finer points of position building”, I doubt that’s the issue, I suspect your familiarity with the Harris vs. the Atlas worked against the Atlas. I mean we sold the Harris and I never thought there was a problem with them, our customers started asking about a different bipod, I listened. And I’m proud that our products have been of service to some shooters.

“Maybe it should be said that using an Atlas bipod requires some retraining for all but those who have never really used a bipod.” As silly as that may sound, there’s some truth to it! I cannot tell you how many people try to pull the legs down AFTER being told “push this button”!!! Which is really testimony to the Harris being THE bipod!

And to those that shared your thoughts and opinions, rock on! I have and will continue to respect others opinions when they are based on fact. And to those that use our products with success and enjoyment and have offered to share your experience with others, we are indebted to you. And last, I really don't care what bipod you shoot from, as long as you are shooting and lawfully demonstrating your right to do so!

that feature to me would be the "pan" movement and not really being able to lock that perpendicular to the gun. when you load the bipod you want the load to be even and straight. if i engage a target and quickly move left or right to engage another target i shift my body quickly to try and get myself pointed at the target and have some npa if possible. when i do this with a harris bipod it goes with with me and stays square to the target. yours does not making another step of reaching up to bring that bipod sqaure to the target. if you do shoot it off axis i find its not conducive to the most accuracy by having a form of torque applied to the rifle from inconsistent load. yes, easily fixed if its square but something i personally dont care for.

the pivot ball looses torque on the v8 i had after 1-3 shots of normal 308 cased cartridges. constant retightening of the pivot tension knob turned me off too. when i level the rifle a nd let go of it i kinda want it to stay there with out having to muscle it.

thats my personal opinion and in no way meant as complaining or degrading etc. i think you have a good product and you're obviously interested in feed back and thoughts. a hybrid of your bipod and some of the harris features would be the ultimate to me. if i could pin the pan feature in place that would be enough for me.

EXTREMEPREJUDICE · Jun 30, 2014

Just add this thread to the other 200 or so that have been started to fire up Kasey's blood pressure, personally I just find them boring any more......................

Kasey · Jun 30, 2014

Hi Steve!

diverdon - exactly, thats why I asked for his name.

Killswitch Engage - Sweet, the 5-H will let you lock the legs perpendicular to the base and is really designed for heavy platforms shooting long. Then once thats done, we are going to do a bipod that might be worth considering for rifle competitions.

TimeWillTell · Jun 30, 2014

Kasey said:
Hi Steve!

diverdon - exactly, thats why I asked for his name.

Killswitch Engage - Sweet, the 5-H will let you lock the legs perpendicular to the base and is really designed for heavy platforms shooting long. Then once thats done, we are going to do a bipod that might be worth considering for rifle competitions.

Any timeline on the 5-H? Thanks.

Killswitch Engage · Jun 30, 2014

Kasey said:
Hi Steve!

diverdon - exactly, thats why I asked for his name.

Killswitch Engage - Sweet, the 5-H will let you lock the legs perpendicular to the base and is really designed for heavy platforms shooting long. Then once thats done, we are going to do a bipod that might be worth considering for rifle competitions.

excellent! thank you for the reply and info.

Kasey · Jun 30, 2014

TimeWillTell - We are going for 2nd prototype late third quarter. I was cranking on it and could have taken the easy route to completion at the 85% done mark I had an idea.....to make it even lighter and stronger. So now I can't shake it and am pursuing it when I'm not having fun here! LOL

TimeWillTell · Jun 30, 2014

Kasey said:
TimeWillTell - We are going for 2nd prototype late third quarter. I was cranking on it and could have taken the easy route to completion at the 85% done mark I had an idea.....to make it even lighter and stronger. So now I can't shake it and am pursuing it when I'm not having fun here! LOL

Well if you need a tester for the second prototype I will have a newly built 338 LM done some time in october (hopefully)! Should weight about 21lbs all dressed.

DeadNoise · Jun 30, 2014

Id gladly test one on my ax338 too

Kasey · Jun 30, 2014

Sorry guys, we already have testers lined up!

Thank you for the offer just the same and we'll offer them here first.

Punisher29073 · Jun 30, 2014

Gosh Kasey! Not once did you accuse his store of being "junk". Perhaps you need a class on how to compare and discuss products and stores here on the hide in a professional and productive manner.

Ryan

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Kid_Lefty · Jun 30, 2014

I'm impressed with the way Kasey has handled himself and the way the 'Hide spoke up and backed what they believe in. I had decided on purchasing a Harris bipod without looking at Atlas because most of the posts I have read through say something to the effect of "...if on a budget, buy Harris, if you have money, buy Atlas". Because of the strong support from the 'Hide and the professionalism demonstrated by Kasey, I'll save my money and give Atlas a look.

Even though it wasn't the most tactful way to start a thread... if it hadn't been for this thread, I'd a probably just bought the Harris and never thought twice due to ignorance on my part. Thanks 'Hide!

-Kid

bogeybrown · Jun 30, 2014

Kid_Lefty said:
I'm impressed with the way Kasey has handled himself and the way the 'Hide spoke up and backed what they believe in. I had decided on purchasing a Harris bipod without looking at Atlas because most of the posts I have read through say something to the effect of "...if on a budget, buy Harris, if you have money, buy Atlas". Because of the strong support from the 'Hide and the professionalism demonstrated by Kasey, I'll save my money and give Atlas a look.

Even though it wasn't the most tactful way to start a thread... if it hadn't been for this thread, I'd a probably just bought the Harris and never thought twice due to ignorance on my part. Thanks 'Hide!

-Kid

Kasey has been the most honest person I've met when it comes to where the Harris may be a better choice and where Atlas excels. I'd always used Harris because that's just what people used and I had no reason to change. I sort of dismissed Atlas as something really cool that I probably didn't need and could get by without. During the PSR group buy thread, Kasey impressed me so much with his commitment to his products, and to the members here, that I bought my first one through that group buy.

The customer service during that group buy "sold" me on the company and their products.

trickyric · Jun 30, 2014

LOCOBEAR said:
The word "Junk" especially being used in the title of your thread is a claim and it isn't praising. We clearly have different views about this subject and no point continuing unless it was over a beer watching the Dolphins at halftime.

It is not MY thread.
I just don't think the flaming this guy is getting is warranted

Yasherka · Jun 30, 2014

3.43Stiller said:
All you SUPER Sensitive members give open discussion and forum talk a BAD name.

3.43Stiller said:
By the way TACTICAL, you spell "dumb" NOT dum dipshit. Check your post

Oh the irony!

trickyric · Jun 30, 2014

Killswitch Engage said:
that feature to me would be the "pan" movement and not really being able to lock that perpendicular to the gun. when you load the bipod you want the load to be even and straight. if i engage a target and quickly move left or right to engage another target i shift my body quickly to try and get myself pointed at the target and have some npa if possible. when i do this with a harris bipod it goes with with me and stays square to the target. yours does not making another step of reaching up to bring that bipod sqaure to the target. if you do shoot it off axis i find its not conducive to the most accuracy by having a form of torque applied to the rifle from inconsistent load. yes, easily fixed if its square but something i personally dont care for.

the pivot ball looses torque on the v8 i had after 1-3 shots of normal 308 cased cartridges. constant retightening of the pivot tension knob turned me off too. when i level the rifle a nd let go of it i kinda want it to stay there with out having to muscle it.

thats my personal opinion and in no way meant as complaining or degrading etc. i think you have a good product and you're obviously interested in feed back and thoughts. a hybrid of your bipod and some of the harris features would be the ultimate to me. if i could pin the pan feature in place that would be enough for me.

Exactly my thoughts!

trickyric · Jun 30, 2014

Kasey,
I am not trying to flame your product. As I stated I own one. It was just a bit of a pain from 500 and in for rapid acquisition on softer sandy turf because the right to left swivel had the feet moving as the bipod dug into the sandy soil when loading it.

While I agree his thread title was rough and using that term is being kind to him. I think it opens up an opportunity for discussion about issues, if any, people may have with a product.
I try to read what a person is saying and not just the words they are typing. Sometimes nuggets are hidden in there.
But, that is just my way.

Lowlight · Jun 30, 2014

There are claws for a wider platform on sandy surfaces, and the fact it may "loosen" has no bearing on use or accuracy. -- See Parker Hale / Versa Pod
That is a matter of technique as well it has been successfully addressed in the PSR version which has a different knob for more leverage when tightening it, and it has the rubber stops for friction.

The Atlas does requires a better technique, although, the Harris is far less forgiving because it is stiffer. The movement in the Atlas absorbs the recoil, and if it loosen at all, you need to do nothing more than move your belt up with your toes. If you have issue of the legs being moved off center or out of alignment that is identifying a weakness is your position as well can indicate you're muscling the rifle. Most of the time when you read things like, The legs are rolling, the rifle is moving sideways, etc, it's an indicator of a bad position.

The Harris on the other hand, has the same diameter feet, so if one sinks in the dirt the other will too. Also I have found several Harris bipods to not be "square" the legs can be uneven and of different heights from one leg to the other that needs the "cant" to fix. I have one here where the distance is uneven from the top to the base of the feet. One leg is essentially shorter than the other. That design has not be updated since day one unless you go to to an aftermarket fix. In every class I teach I find those who can't adjust the cant tension because the nut doesn't work correctly, (yes the Pod Lock helps but that is aftermarket)

Clearly the trend in all this, be it a new scopes, bipods, etc, comes down to price. The biggest complaints are usually rooted in the cost comparison. Sure you can deny it, but it's pretty clear to see and many are noticing the trend. This topic has started to rise to the top. That Steiner with a new scope @ $2k is a win, and anything over $3k+ is a lose unless.... Because people can buy more than one Harris vs an Atlas puts it in, "doesn't wow me" category, mainly because there is a learning curve involved. Still what people don't get is, the number of "bipod hops" threads which mostly happen with a Harris because of the unforgiving nature of the design. My recoil management videos in the Online Training are about 40 minutes worth, so that demonstrates that technique matters. In the end if done correctly there is no loss of accuracy when using a Atlas.

Kasey is a class act and has always gone out of his way to address any real problems people have had with the design. He has not said, "Take what i give you" like Harris has, and gives each issue it's due process. I will say I still use my V7 with equal success and the only thing I do different is use the V7 loose vs the V8 or PSR which I tend to keep tighter. But then again, I can be successful at both accuracy and recoil management with my factory Parker Hale on my AI, so your mileage may vary.

LOCOBEAR · Jun 30, 2014

trickyric said:
It is not MY thread.
I just don't think the flaming this guy is getting is warranted

Was intending to use "your" in a general term. Speaking about the OP: Everyone deserves an opinion, the words we use can sometimes make that opinion insulting. Being insulted for no reason gives that person the right to defend themselves in the same manner the insult was intended. This is what happened here. The OP could have easily started the thread with: "Issues with the Atlas" instead it was "Atlas Bipod Junk???" and you still don't think flaming this guy is warranted.......that's your opinion.

bobtodrick · Jun 30, 2014

trickyric said:
It is not MY thread.
I just don't think the flaming this guy is getting is warranted

Oh...I think it is warranted.
He starts a thread using inflammatory and aggressive language about a product HE DOESN'T APPEAR TO OWN.
He handled it at a Shot Show for crying out loud. (I looked at a Rolex once in a store and the strap was too big so it must be piece of crap!!)
And then he never returns to the thread...obviously (IMO) he posted just to sit back and watch the fireworks, which we've provided.
A troll, through and through.

HumbleEinstein · Jun 30, 2014

I have a notched 6-9 Harris from Larue with the Larue QD mount. It is in excellent condition, as it has seen very little use. I would gladly trade with anyone here for a second Atlas with QD in similar condition.

Killswitch Engage · Jun 30, 2014

Lowlight said:
There are claws for a wider platform on sandy surfaces, and the fact it may "loosen" has no bearing on use or accuracy. -- See Parker Hale / Versa Pod
That is a matter of technique as well it has been successfully addressed in the PSR version which has a different knob for more leverage when tightening it, and it has the rubber stops for friction.

The Atlas does requires a better technique, although, the Harris is far less forgiving because it is stiffer. The movement in the Atlas absorbs the recoil, and if it loosen at all, you need to do nothing more than move your belt up with your toes. If you have issue of the legs being moved off center or out of alignment that is identifying a weakness is your position as well can indicate you're muscling the rifle. Most of the time when you read things like, The legs are rolling, the rifle is moving sideways, etc, it's an indicator of a bad position.

The Harris on the other hand, has the same diameter feet, so if one sinks in the dirt the other will too. Also I have found several Harris bipods to not be "square" the legs can be uneven and of different heights from one leg to the other that needs the "cant" to fix. I have one here where the distance is uneven from the top to the base of the feet. One leg is essentially shorter than the other. That design has not be updated since day one unless you go to to an aftermarket fix. In every class I teach I find those who can't adjust the cant tension because the nut doesn't work correctly, (yes the Pod Lock helps but that is aftermarket)

Clearly the trend in all this, be it a new scopes, bipods, etc, comes down to price. The biggest complaints are usually rooted in the cost comparison. Sure you can deny it, but it's pretty clear to see and many are noticing the trend. This topic has started to rise to the top. That Steiner with a new scope @ $2k is a win, and anything over $3k+ is a lose unless.... Because people can buy more than one Harris vs an Atlas puts it in, "doesn't wow me" category, mainly because there is a learning curve involved. Still what people don't get is, the number of "bipod hops" threads which mostly happen with a Harris because of the unforgiving nature of the design. My recoil management videos in the Online Training are about 40 minutes worth, so that demonstrates that technique matters. In the end if done correctly there is no loss of accuracy when using a Atlas.

Kasey is a class act and has always gone out of his way to address any real problems people have had with the design. He has not said, "Take what i give you" like Harris has, and gives each issue it's due process. I will say I still use my V7 with equal success and the only thing I do different is use the V7 loose vs the V8 or PSR which I tend to keep tighter. But then again, I can be successful at both accuracy and recoil management with my factory Parker Hale on my AI, so your mileage may vary.

considering i used one a couple years and nothing else makes me think i am intimately familiar with it as well. i spent years upon years with harris also. the things i mentioned must have held some water with the designer somewhere along the line and i doubt it was because i was the only one who mentioned them. the atlas does work, it is a good product, it does have room for improvement much like anything else. kasey is listening and to that i say he can do nothing but succeed in his businesss model by doing so.

Kasey · Jun 30, 2014

Killswitch Engage- I believe Lowlight was addressing trickyric in shooting in sand. The Pan feature was demanded for the SCAR program, not long range shooting.

trickyric - I don't take anything you have posted as flaming the Atlas nor will I make excuses for your experience with the Atlas. I'll respectfully suggest going to a school house where "None of the instructors were fans of them." made it tough on you and "easy" to look at the Atlas as a source of the problem.

This I know, that the Pan feature of the Atlas cannot pan in of itself, it has to be influenced by something, be it human or nature. Any bipod with 1" diameter feet will work their way down into sand if making repeated shots from that position until there is enough friction bearing on the feet/legs to stop or greatly decrease it's downward travel. In a perfect world the sand is consistent under both feet and they work down evenly, on foot catches a root, rock or wet sand, game changer, the Atlas will twist others with torque under recoil. Which is better?

I'll also suggest that if I have to pick my rifle up and reposition it, while doing so I can observe and compensate for the pan of the legs by going past or stopping short and bringing the butt back into the shoulder to straighten the legs to the bore.

I also know of a few guys that are well traveled to places sandy and have shot a ton off Atlas bipods engaging multiple targets. They like the Pan feature. Their budget allows them to get whatever they want and it's an honor they want the Atlas.

But again, everyone has their own opinion and shooting style.

3.43Stiller - Still waiting on a name, PM it to me if thats better for you, I just don't want call the owner and cause any unwarranted hardships.

diverdon · Jun 30, 2014

Kasey said:
Sorry guys, we already have testers lined up!

Thank you for the offer just the same and we'll offer them here first.

Kasey, I am going to have to keep a closer eye on the group buy topic header, I missed the last one.

trickyric · Jun 30, 2014

Kasey said:
Killswitch Engage- I believe Lowlight was addressing trickyric in shooting in sand. The Pan feature was demanded for the SCAR program, not long range shooting.

trickyric - I don't take anything you have posted as flaming the Atlas nor will I make excuses for your experience with the Atlas. I'll respectfully suggest going to a school house where "None of the instructors were fans of them." made it tough on you and "easy" to look at the Atlas as a source of the problem.

This I know, that the Pan feature of the Atlas cannot pan in of itself, it has to be influenced by something, be it human or nature. Any bipod with 1" diameter feet will work their way down into sand if making repeated shots from that position until there is enough friction bearing on the feet/legs to stop or greatly decrease it's downward travel. In a perfect world the sand is consistent under both feet and they work down evenly, on foot catches a root, rock or wet sand, game changer, the Atlas will twist others with torque under recoil. Which is better?

I'll also suggest that if I have to pick my rifle up and reposition it, while doing so I can observe and compensate for the pan of the legs by going past or stopping short and bringing the butt back into the shoulder to straighten the legs to the bore.

I also know of a few guys that are well traveled to places sandy and have shot a ton off Atlas bipods engaging multiple targets. They like the Pan feature. Their budget allows them to get whatever they want and it's an honor they want the Atlas.

But again, everyone has their own opinion and shooting style.

3.43Stiller - Still waiting on a name, PM it to me if thats better for you, I just don't want call the owner and cause any unwarranted hardships.

I currently use the Atlas. Don't have plans to change. I have met people who prefer others. My issue is more of a wish list thing. I am not the first person to comment on this cite about the right to left being somewhat of a problem at times. So, obviously other people have had issues. I don't really want to debate my experience or skill level.
This thread has become a flamefest though and I don't think that is how people should communicate.

Lowlight · Jun 30, 2014

Merit would assume that everyone is capable, and many, many shooters will immediately deny it is "them" ... so what happens is companies have to adjust to the lowest common denominator. That is how it works, doing the same thing over and over again doesn't make you competent, just makes you consistent. There are a lot of really good shooters with really bad habits who have learned to adapt to their bad habits.

Prime example, watch how many 1/4 MOA shooter consistently "tap" the trigger and don't follow through, despite Follow Through being a basic Fundamental. Because of the weight of the rifles, the triggers, etc, we find everyday that people can operate very successfully in terms of pure accuracy, but completely forgo follow through. Take them out of their comfort zone and their lack of follow through creates all sorts of issues. The response is always the same, "But I can shoot 1/4MOA at home" .

Kasey · Jun 30, 2014

trickyric - First, Thank you for your business and your willingness to give the Atlas a try.

I'm sorry if you felt I was flaming you or anyone as that was not my intentions.

I doubt there is anything new for me to hear/read about the Atlas functions good or bad, but even if you were the first to bring it up, I'd still treat it as valid because that was/is YOUR experience. I was simply suggesting my experiences and how I try to compensate for inadvertent panned legs when moving to another position. Again, if you're use to a Harris the legs are fixed so no thought goes into their position when moving.

Also, my communication skill set sucks but I'm trying to improve it.

trickyric · Jun 30, 2014

Kasey said:
trickyric - First, Thank you for your business and your willingness to give the Atlas a try.

I'm sorry if you felt I was flaming you or anyone as that was not my intentions.

I doubt there is anything new for me to hear/read about the Atlas functions good or bad, but even if you were the first to bring it up, I'd still treat it as valid because that was/is YOUR experience. I was simply suggesting my experiences and how I try to compensate for inadvertent panned legs when moving to another position. Again, if you're use to a Harris the legs are fixed so no thought goes into their position when moving.

Also, my communication skill set sucks but I'm trying to improve it.

Kasey,
All very fair statements. You make a great product. I cannot find a better bipod for sure.
Like I stated earlier mine is more of wish list item.
It was easily dealt with by reaching forward after strings of fire to adjust the legs back.
Not a big deal at all.

rbdub474 · Jun 30, 2014

trickyric said:
No.
He is a retailer. If you owned a record store you would sell Miley Cirus music even if you hated her music.
You sell what the customers want and recommend what you believe in.

I get that. His business his rules and all. But bashing a product you sell on a public forum is kind of like cutting off your nose to spite your face. It doesn't make good business sense. Also if said product maker decides to not allow the basher to sell his products any longer, that would also be a case of his business his rules.

3.43Stiller · Jun 30, 2014

Adam B said:
What the op is trying to do here is market himself/business. Start a thread with a controversial title (that they know will get attention), check, then promote their business with a link, check, and then manage to slam one of the best manufactures out there, check, pretty pathetic.

Actually, I am a WOMAN and one of the few class 3 dealers in the States..... I am not trying to promote my business or anything just wanted to know what your guys thoughts were on the Bipod.

One of you called me a "dick hole licker...." and another called me a "troll" nice way to speak to a lady.

Hey Frank, you let this kind of behavior go on your forum for asking a simple question????

To all the other members/gentlemen that gave their opinions.... I THANK YOU.

Good day

Lowlight · Jun 30, 2014

You reap what you sow.... Big boy rules here.

As been noted, there are ways to ask a question, and there are ways to not present yourself, if you can't take the heat, try choosing your words more wisely.

rbdub474 · Jun 30, 2014

3.43Stiller said:
Actually, I am a WOMAN and one of the few class 3 dealers in the States..... I am not trying to promote my business or anything just wanted to know what your guys thoughts were on the Bipod.

One of you called me a "dick hole licker...." and another called me a "troll" nice way to speak to a lady.

Hey Frank, you let this kind of behavior go on your forum for asking a simple question????

To all the other members/gentlemen that gave their opinions.... I THANK YOU.

Good day

What does being a woman or being a "Class 3 dealer" have to do with this thread? There are actually a bunch of Title II dealers/manufacturers in Nevada. I know this because I am an 07FFL/02SOT holder as well, and have done business with numerous FFL/SOTs in Nevada.

Why would you post the fact of being a "Class 3 dealer" if you are not trying to promote your business?

I am a "Title 3 dealer", but I will not name my company, or throw out my gender, as both are irrelevant to the topic of this thread.

19Scout77 · Jun 30, 2014

Could have been worse...as a woman, at least you are not a GAY dick hole licker!!

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