Pssssss get rid of those slow ass tricklers.....
AutoTrickler V4
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What is the silver end piece used in the top picture? Did you have to do anything to the inside of the tube? Very interesting. Also love the red anodizing on your products. My cps is always looking sharp.Experimentation is fun.
Primer tubes are the same size as the small trickle tube in the V4. Small primer tube with @jthor tip is proving to be pretty fast.
How is it drifting? Did you move the scale? Anything different other than the new V4?
Is it possible to swap the scales between your v2.5 and v4? I wonder if there are significant variations between those units.
I have a v4 but it only seems to drift when left unattended for a bit; maybe 5 min or more.
I don’t have that issue on my V4. The scale will drift after left on for a few hours will read .06 instead of zero. And my cup is weighing different from session to session. I’m able to use the scale I don’t like these inconsistencies
Are you using the original tray/platter or Area 419?
(For me, the 419 tray definitely caused scale drift)
The scale should be fully warm in 30 minutes. Have you tried some static guard? Plastic messes with these scales.
@reubenski
Wipe the whole thing down with antistatic sheets. I also directly grounded my ATV3 and ATV4 into my house. My theory is the whole unit is susceptible to static because of being wrapped in plastic in the box.
Wipe the whole thing down with antistatic sheets. I also directly grounded my ATV3 and ATV4 into my house. My theory is the whole unit is susceptible to static because of being wrapped in plastic in the box.
There is a grounding terminal near the center on the backplane of the scale.
If you don't have a conveniently located water pipe to attach a ground strap to, a 3-prong replacement power plug can be used, just attach it to the ground prong only.
The link I posted should provide adequate grounding.
Other than overthrows, the V4 (and V3) have never drifted. I keep them grounded, plugged in, and turned on 365/24/7
Other than overthrows, the V4 (and V3) have never drifted. I keep them grounded, plugged in, and turned on 365/24/7
When I first got my V4 the scale was fine with glass cup and never drifted. After a month of using it the drift got really bad. To the point I had to zero it quite often to even get it to start throwing. This went on for about another month and then stopped and has been fine since. Not sure what that was all about and I wish I knew.
I wonder if the grounding terminal at the back of the scale is for an external ground or if it is to attach to an anti-static wrist strap?
When used in non-reloading situations, an fx120i is attached to an earth ground.
Can you explain why the difference? Are you saying what is being put on the scale ie reloading powder vs a lab setting?
I can't think of a reason not to always connect the ground terminal to ground. It is the first thing mentioned in the fx120i manual regarding static electricity issues.
I just think reloaders don't recognize that fact that all these scales need to be grounded.
Man, sucks. I can't wait for the Ingenuity Precision trickler to arrive.The new V4 and 120 have calmed down quite a bit over the last three days. Using an aluminum A419 cup seemed to help as well. I still got a situation where the scale just went bananas twice out of 20 throws. The weight of the cup just cycled non-stop. Like ridiculous numbers. And when I tried to rezero it I got something like "e 1" displayed.Definitely not as plug and play as my V2 is. I ordered a grounding kit, it will be here tomorrow, I'll see if that does anything but again, my V2 operated for 3(?) years on the same bench without one.
The next issue is my phone app struggles to figure which Autotrickler to connect to. I bought the BT module for the V2 a year or two ago but rarely use the app. It's easier sometimes to just use "start" to set a charge weight. You can't do that with the V4 apparently. It's all controlled in the app and my app will offer both autotricklers but will always connect to the V2 regardless of which I select. So I have to unplug the V2 in order to use the V4. Ughh
My question was wrist vs earth ground.I just think reloaders don't recognize that fact that all these scales need to be grounded.
Just bought a kit for grounding the scale. I will have to see if it has any effect on the scale drifting.
I took a small wire eyelet and stripped off the insulation and then attached it to the external ground on the scale. I then bought the following (Amazon link ahead)
Edit - looks like the Amazon link did not come through but you can find it if you look for
IUZIT Grounding Outlet Plug with Anti-static Wrist Strap and Grounding Wire
The plan is to plug the scale in normally, then use the anti-static kit to connect the ground on the scale to my ground in the house (via alligator clip on the scale and then running the wire to the grounding plug). I went with something mobile and temporary because I don't have a dedicated bench, and for the price of 10 bucks if it fails it's no big loss.
All this talk about scale drift and the V4, isn't this a scale issue more than a V4 issue?
I occasionally see .02 drift but that's after "warm up" if I do. I don't leave mine plugged in all the time. I'm on a triple layer of 3/4 plywood bench top and no special grounding.
I occasionally see .02 drift but that's after "warm up" if I do. I don't leave mine plugged in all the time. I'm on a triple layer of 3/4 plywood bench top and no special grounding.
I bought mine through CE as a complete kit so scale was configured. With all this drift talk I turned it on last night zeroed it after about 5 minute warm up. Checked it 3 hrs later and still sitting on zero. It’s just plugged into the power strip that came with the bench. Fluorescent light overhead on. It’s never wandered during up to 200 rd at a time.
Wonder if the board shielding in the bottom of the V4 is causing Scale issues on some of these???
Wonder if the board shielding in the bottom of the V4 is causing Scale issues on some of these???
Has anyone offered an explanation. Maybe the shear weight? Seems odd but sounds like many have experienced it. I haven’t noticed but also don’t have the 419 to compare it to.
I have the aftermarket shield and glass OG cup but haven’t experienced the drift that I’ve noticed. I’ll start paying more attention to it.
I had some drift with the OG cup, but I now store old dryer sheets in the hopper/cup when not in use, and give the wind screens, platen, and cup a quick wipe before I cal/load. I see very little, if any drift now. I suspect any, I give a quick wipe and back at it.
Canceled my preorder today. I load w N570/RL33 99% of the time so sticking w my current setup.
Anyone remember the good old days w a volumetric powder dispenser and triple beam balance? 0 drift 
I think some have theories but I don't know if anyone really knows other than perhaps static, it's very well documented though.
Either I’m not that well versed, or I’m an outlier, but mine hasn’t experienced any of the drift issues and runs as I had hoped.
I have one of the earliest ones, no mods, just running the advanced settings it throws as fast as I seat a bullet and get ready for the next one.
I have one of the earliest ones, no mods, just running the advanced settings it throws as fast as I seat a bullet and get ready for the next one.
I just thinking that the V4 could be the source of the increased static. My concern being the spinning parts generating more static. The V3 had fewer and smaller spinning parts. That said, I'm certain that someone one on this forum is a better engineer than I and could help figure this out. I really want to see a solid evaluation. I am not certain that this is a problem. I am really just asking.
The acrylic clear tops sold by 419 and other companies have to be sprayed with Static Guard or they will cause drifting. I chased my tail around with this until I hose everything down with SG and the scale went back to normal. I keep a can next to the scale and spray everything down once a month or so.
Those with drift… any chance you’re in a dry area/state?
No static in VA… humidity kills that dead.
No static in VA… humidity kills that dead.
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Used with some form of isolator (I use hi-fi vibration dampers) they limit vibrations to the scale and stabilize readings.
