Mine arrived 5 days before a move. I have no idea when I will be caught up enough to start back reloading.
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I think you've made your opinion amply clear in this thread. I suggest you move on, and refrain from posting anymore in this thread. This is your last warning.Because there is no fucking fix for it. We have already spent hundreds in aftermarket shit to try unfuck something that should run from the factory. Adam has avoided this question and refuses to address it, even though he knows about it and has admitted hes working on a firmware update to fix what is essentially a manufacturing /design defect. he is making money hand over fist, don't got time to deal with the 5 or 10 or 20% of people who have issues. Its like a bad scope. 60% of shooters are too fucking ignorant to even know there is something wrong. You don't know what you don't know. As someone who has loaded thousands on an ATV just this year, has spent countless hours trying EVERY setting combination possible to get it to meter correctly, and undoubtedly has a higher IQ than most of the shit heels posting in here, I can say with 100% confidence this is not user error. When others are saying the same thing, its time to shut the fuck up and listen.
And you get the ignorant fucks like you who just whitewash any issues because YOU haven't experienced them and cannot grasp simple statistics.
Your lack of experience does not invalidate others experience. If you realized how illogical your whole premise is, you would be embarrassed to post.
But here we are, ignorance is bliss.
Interesting . . . I've had mine for almost a year now (Feb 18, 2022 was when I got my shipping notice), but probably haven't used it quite as frequently, so we probably have about the same amount of time with it. I've used mine for H4350, N570 and IMR4064. My most recent loading sessions (from just this week) have been with H4350 and are fresher in my mind, so I'll report my experience with that powder:We appear to be collecting reviews here and I have been using my ATv4 for 5 months now so I feel I can chime in. The v4 has lived up to half the claims. I was expecting ~10 second and kernel perfect. I would say I get 40% a grain under and 40% a grain over and the last 20% is repeated ~10 grains over. I have read the SH forums, watched Adams videos, and filled both tubes before calibrating twice as well as reducing the slow tube rates in the menus. My v4 and A&D are stock, no shims or tips, level on wood and dryer wiped for static. I have used Varget, H1000, H4350 and Bullseye. I get largely the same experience all around.
Would I buy the v4 again? Yes, I think so. It is faster than me hand metering it out with a GemPro. Is it more accurate? No. Just faster, which makes my reloading less tedious, and is enough for me to put up with the flaws. Adam seems like a decent fellow so I hope the fix I hear about is soon and effective. The idea to continue pouring money into other tools to fix the v4 is a non-starter though.
Does anyone know if there was a design change on the V4, specifically to the bottom of the aluminum housing directly below the hopper? I noticed a video of the unit Fclass John had in his video looked to have a divot where the rear rubber bumper interfaced. Looking at my unit it does not appear mine has the same divot. Curious because I am using a shim kit and it made my trickler perform worse than without them so I am wonder if the people using the shim kit have an earlier model or I just dont have them set correctly.
The threaded portion was part of the beta/earlier units that allowed the unit to adjust tilt. None of the current ones have it. Hence the reason for shims.Does anyone know if there was a design change on the V4, specifically to the bottom of the aluminum housing directly below the hopper? I noticed a video of the unit Fclass John had in his video looked to have a divot where the rear rubber bumper interfaced. Looking at my unit it does not appear mine has the same divot. Curious because I am using a shim kit and it made my trickler perform worse than without them so I am wonder if the people using the shim kit have an earlier model or I just dont have them set correctly.
Oh ok, I was curious with the success people were seeing with the shims that their unit may of had this divot in it. I tried the shims and it made my flow rate too high even with the shortest one, seems my unit worked best with the factory configuration. Goof flow rates on the tubes and quick throws in the 10-12 second range. Maybe im doing something wrong, havent messed with any advanced settings either.The threaded portion was part of the beta/earlier units that allowed the unit to adjust tilt. None of the current ones have it. Hence the reason for shims.
Supertrickler 100%I am still torn between theV4 and Super trickler.
I don't like the plastic shims. They are a PITA to install and they are not very accurate. I use bent pieces of shim stock. They are easy to insert/remove, can be stacked to create different heights and I get very repeatable results when I set up for a loading session as long as I level the scale fairly precisely.Oh ok, I was curious with the success people were seeing with the shims that their unit may of had this divot in it. I tried the shims and it made my flow rate too high even with the shortest one, seems my unit worked best with the factory configuration. Goof flow rates on the tubes and quick throws in the 10-12 second range. Maybe im doing something wrong, havent messed with any advanced settings either.
The picture is from the back.Are you supposed to shim the front? The shim kit I got I believe was for the rear….
Oh my bad , quick glance I thought it was the frontThe picture is from the back.
I bought your spacer kit but I started having over throws and the flow rate was really high but I didn’t play with it very much so I’m sure with a few adjustments and speed settings I could get it rightDoes anyone have pics of the shims they are providing now?
My son makes a set of spacers for it-
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Would you have any interest in doing a video on your install and settings on how you got your throws down to 6 seconds? Or a write up on itDoes anyone have pics of the shims they are providing now?
My son makes a set of spacers for it-
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Yea for sure. I’m actually getting ready to load 500 rounds for a match coming up so I’ll do a video then!Would you have any interest in doing a video on your install and settings on how you got your throws down to 6 seconds? Or a write up on it
Me too! Lol.Oh my bad , quick glance I thought it was the front
Excellent, thanks!Yea for sure. I’m actually getting ready to load 500 rounds for a match coming up so I’ll do a video then!
As I mentioned above, I made a video about tuning the ATv4.
TL;DW: Do your calibration for the powder you're using. And then make all your setting adjustments while testing drops on your minimum powder charge. You can essentially min (1.5s) the Large Tube High/Low Speed Time settings. They will rarely be a factor unless you're doing ultramagnum drops over 70 grains. You can probably also set Minimum Speed to 1.5GN/s. That will keep the large tube going full blast more or less until it transitions to the small tube. Use the Transition Weight and Target Weight settings to make sure you don't get any overthrows from the large tube. Higher values will be slower and safer. Lower values will be faster but more likely to overthrow. In the video, I go over how I came up with my starting point guess for Target Weight and Transition Weight.
Once you have the large tube going as fast as possible without overthrows, work on the small tube. Again, High Speed Time won't matter much, so just min it to 1.5. The Low Speed Time will need to be increased above the minimum if you're just running past your target weight with the small tube. The Target Weight will adjust the point at which it starts doing the iterative (slow) trickle at the end. You really want that set as low as you can without getting overthrows.
Once you have those roughly set up, you'll just need to tweak as you use the machine. Over time, when you get overthrows, look at what cause it. If it was the Large Tube, adjust the Transition Weight or Target Weight settings on the Large Tube. If the overthrow came at the end from the Small Tube, adjust the Low Speed time or make the Target Weight higher. Over time, you'll end up going about as fast as you can with a number of overthrows that you're comfortable with.
With stick powders, it's almost impossible to get to zero, because there's always gonna be a chance that a few sticks dump at once during trickling, putting you over.
My drops are routinely 10s or less now, but I still need to tweak some more. Further, shimming may help, as compared to the recommended range, my powder is dropping a little fast (~23gr/s).
I just added the IP to my v4. I have to say, my favorite combo to date. It might be 1-2 seconds slower than the v3 when setup correctly, but the ability to easily run ladder tests is worth that.V3+IP trickler FTW
Do you have a video/picture of your setup? I haven’t seen it before.I just added the IP to my v4. I have to say, my favorite combo to date. It might be 1-2 seconds slower than the v3 when setup correctly, but the ability to easily run ladder tests is worth that.
Not SPK512 , but I can oblige, note the ST is superior by a country mileDo you have a video/picture of your setup? I haven’t seen it before.
As I mentioned above, I made a video about tuning the ATv4.
TL;DW: Do your calibration for the powder you're using. And then make all your setting adjustments while testing drops on your minimum powder charge. You can essentially min (1.5s) the Large Tube High/Low Speed Time settings. They will rarely be a factor unless you're doing ultramagnum drops over 70 grains. You can probably also set Minimum Speed to 1.5GN/s. That will keep the large tube going full blast more or less until it transitions to the small tube. Use the Transition Weight and Target Weight settings to make sure you don't get any overthrows from the large tube. Higher values will be slower and safer. Lower values will be faster but more likely to overthrow. In the video, I go over how I came up with my starting point guess for Target Weight and Transition Weight.
Once you have the large tube going as fast as possible without overthrows, work on the small tube. Again, High Speed Time won't matter much, so just min it to 1.5. The Low Speed Time will need to be increased above the minimum if you're just running past your target weight with the small tube. The Target Weight will adjust the point at which it starts doing the iterative (slow) trickle at the end. You really want that set as low as you can without getting overthrows.
Once you have those roughly set up, you'll just need to tweak as you use the machine. Over time, when you get overthrows, look at what cause it. If it was the Large Tube, adjust the Transition Weight or Target Weight settings on the Large Tube. If the overthrow came at the end from the Small Tube, adjust the Low Speed time or make the Target Weight higher. Over time, you'll end up going about as fast as you can with a number of overthrows that you're comfortable with.
With stick powders, it's almost impossible to get to zero, because there's always gonna be a chance that a few sticks dump at once during trickling, putting you over.
My drops are routinely 10s or less now, but I still need to tweak some more. Further, shimming may help, as compared to the recommended range, my powder is dropping a little fast (~23gr/s).
Mine says v1.1.0 updated Oct 10, 2021.Just curious... what version is your AutoTrickler app? Mine shows v4.1.1 dated October 2021, and I can't find anything newer... maybe I was just fat-fingering things, but I couldn't seem to get the 'Advanced' settings option to open up despite poking/pressing/holding that button in the display...
Yeah, mine does as well. Misread it in hasteMine says v1.1.0 updated Oct 10, 2021.
Do you have a video/picture of your setup? I haven’t seen it before.
I have only seen the ST run in videos. Any that were new use were not impressive. The highly tuned machines look awesome.Not SPK512 , but I can oblige, note the ST is superior by a country mile
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I load on a Dillon 550 with a very stout bench, but there is no way my V4 can be on the same bench. Same is true with my Chargemaster. I isolate my powder dispensers with a separate steel table (a Rockler tool stand actually) that sits on the concrete floor to my right.The other problem I'm running into that a lot of people probably won't, is how easy it is to spill powder due to vibration. I normally use a progressive and powder funnel die and when the Press cycles, it's dropping powder either in the cup or on the plate. During my routine, this happens just as I set the cup back down, as the press cycles up, after finished sizing. Spilling powder just as the Auto trickler re-zeros the cup. You can tell because when you set the cut back down, it weighs a good -.15-.3. Maybe a reducer would help in the tip of the Straw. Idk.
So I think I have something to add to this discussion. I had a v3, I have a v4 and super trickler now. I will say they both have advantages and disadvantages.
The biggest disadvantage for the super trickler are the position of the Straw. I've probably bumped the straw no less than 10% of the time. Even being careful you have to slide the pan vs picking it up. Very very annoying and I'm betting many are doing without realizing after their charge is finished. That tiny little weigh platform makes this problem much much worse than it needs to be. If he had to cut out to accept 419 plate or something like it it would help. But the fact that it's so close is challenging. You don't even have to hit the tube. You can bump the cup into the back of the housing and it'll spill powder.
The other problem I'm running into that a lot of people probably won't, is how easy it is to spill powder due to vibration. I normally use a progressive and powder funnel die and when the Press cycles, it's dropping powder either in the cup or on the plate. During my routine, this happens just as I set the cup back down, as the press cycles up, after finished sizing. Spilling powder just as the Auto trickler re-zeros the cup. You can tell because when you set the cut back down, it weighs a good -.15-.3. Maybe a reducer would help in the tip of the Straw. Idk.
Mine showed up with a broken top and ST creator said he'd fix. So no issues there. He did just upgrade to version 2, that I'll have to send in to get upgraded. Other than that. Ladder mode is cool. Charges are very fast. But for me personally, I'm not trying to set up another bench right next to my existing, so I'm going to have to find a different solution. It is also a little more difficult to weigh other items. Such as cases when doing H2O measurements or ammo. With the straw where it is, there's very little room.
I ended up going back to Auto trickler v4 for now. Probably the only reason why is because I found a guy that makes a acrylic case for it that allows 419 plate and cup. He called it a riser and made a FS threat a few months ago. It has an adjustment screw in the back so I can dial adjustments pretty well. And frankly I just don't have a need for lightning fast charges. I only trickle for load development and I'm already running Progressive. I've had no issues with spilling powder due to vibration yet. And if I'm being honest I just like the feel on the 419 accessories and the scale interface over ST which feels like a weird old smartphone screen. Menus aren't hard to learn but they also aren't super intuitive and I find myself searching for certain functions more then loading.
I realize this sounds a little fanboyish . But I honestly didn't love the v4. I do remember loving the v3 when it came out but v4 that $100 riser was mandatory for me. If not I'd probably go back to v3.
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I don’t have any problem inserting the cup onto the little pan. Almost never ever ever bump one of the tubes. That may be because I do it seated so that I am at eye level with the tubes which is I think is an optimal way to use this particular device. I know they did this with the small pan base on purpose to minimize the chances of drafts influencing the scale and powder, bouncing out and landing beside the cup on the base. I also recognize that we’re all different and some machines just mesh with some people better than others. As we all keep saying, it’s good to have as many options as possible.So I think I have something to add to this discussion. I had a v3, I have a v4 and super trickler now. I will say they both have advantages and disadvantages.
The biggest disadvantage for the super trickler are the position of the Straw. I've probably bumped the straw no less than 10% of the time. Even being careful you have to slide the pan vs picking it up. Very very annoying and I'm betting many are doing without realizing after their charge is finished. That tiny little weigh platform makes this problem much much worse than it needs to be. If he had to cut out to accept 419 plate or something like it it would help. But the fact that it's so close is challenging. You don't even have to hit the tube. You can bump the cup into the back of the housing and it'll spill powder.
The other problem I'm running into that a lot of people probably won't, is how easy it is to spill powder due to vibration. I normally use a progressive and powder funnel die and when the Press cycles, it's dropping powder either in the cup or on the plate. During my routine, this happens just as I set the cup back down, as the press cycles up, after finished sizing. Spilling powder just as the Auto trickler re-zeros the cup. You can tell because when you set the cut back down, it weighs a good -.15-.3. Maybe a reducer would help in the tip of the Straw. Idk.
Mine showed up with a broken top and ST creator said he'd fix. So no issues there. He did just upgrade to version 2, that I'll have to send in to get upgraded. Other than that. Ladder mode is cool. Charges are very fast. But for me personally, I'm not trying to set up another bench right next to my existing, so I'm going to have to find a different solution. It is also a little more difficult to weigh other items. Such as cases when doing H2O measurements or ammo. With the straw where it is, there's very little room.
I ended up going back to Auto trickler v4 for now. Probably the only reason why is because I found a guy that makes a acrylic case for it that allows 419 plate and cup. He called it a riser and made a FS threat a few months ago. It has an adjustment screw in the back so I can dial adjustments pretty well. And frankly I just don't have a need for lightning fast charges. I only trickle for load development and I'm already running Progressive. I've had no issues with spilling powder due to vibration yet. And if I'm being honest I just like the feel on the 419 accessories and the scale interface over ST which feels like a weird old smartphone screen. Menus aren't hard to learn but they also aren't super intuitive and I find myself searching for certain functions more then loading.
I realize this sounds a little fanboyish . But I honestly didn't love the v4. I do remember loving the v3 when it came out but v4 that $100 riser was mandatory for me. If not I'd probably go back to v3.
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I also got the tip and mainly run H4350 and can easily drop a charge in under 10 sec with maybe 2 slight overs or maybe one big per 100 cases. I like to run my scale and V4 level and have very good luck that way. I talked to Adam, several times for a couple weeks and he explained all the settings and how he sets the v4 up without the tip and it worked great but I just felt, level with the tip was more consistent for me with my powder.I just came back here to say I got those shims and the Tip and it has reduced over throws to almost zero. The other day after loading 100 rounds I noticed I had some how moved the speed slider to max and only had like 2 over throws. I run big powders. (N560 and 570)