Battle Stocks for ARs

#54
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Did it ever occur to you (just for a moment) that the AR10 isn't the ideal all-in-one Zombie killing, face ripping, skull smashing, SHTF personal protection system that you are trying to engineer?

Come the fateful End of Days you may do better to have a number of items such as a sawn-off shotgun, heavy calibre pistol, compact high-cap assault rifle (maybe something Russian that is built like a truck and can take a good smacking?), a good bayonet and a sharpened entrenching tool (or axe).......leastways that what my 13 year old recommends after a busy session zombie mashing on Call of Duty for PS3!

Unless you happen to know where to get the really cool thiing that fires the green goo that vaporises anything that gets in it's way???
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#55
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pat M</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The stock question was a real one and i understand where your coming from, the older M1A1 and Grands had i right tough w/metal butt. The AR rifle stocks are light and even a better Adjustable Magpul (i run DPMS 308&260) would not hold up to too much abuse, mainly the tube to receiver area (i think tube would bend or with a tough stock the receiver may split if used like a bat and force was from the side)

I guess the M1A1 and Grands are for all you Mall Ninjas and have no use. Asshats</div></div>

If by M1A1 you mean M1A, then yes a nice solid but, but I wouldnt use an M1A1 butt to hit a styrofoam cup since it is in fact the M1 Carbine Paratrooper model with tube metal folding stock that would fold or break if buttstroking anything of substance. And if by Grand you mean Garand then yes another solid butt, I'm a mall ninja asshat i suppose since i like garands, M1A's, M1A1's.........asshat
 
#56
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The skulls I am wanting to bash belong to hogs, not zombies, not people, but a hog thats lying there bleeding to death. Instead of shooting him again and wasting my precious ammo, I would like to be able to take my butt and smash it across his head to put him out before I commence to cleaning. Yes a little excessive, but thats the point. I may not have the chance to do it, but having the ability is what i want. Just like most people wont be able to shoot a target at 1200yd, but want a gun that can. This thread has changed due to the shit talkers not liking things out of the norm. Plain and simple.
 
#58
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no offense, but wouldnt a knife do the trick? been working since the cavemen. Have anger issues? You know most serial killers begin by beating, harming, killing animals
 
#59
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Yes Basraboy, that is a perfectly good, and effective option. But sometimes I would like to take a little aggression out on the dirty bastards. I do keep a maul in my truck, but thats besides the point. I would like to be able to use my gun. And most serial killers do start out by maiming and killing small furry, cuddly creatures. Im past that, I want to kill creatures that can kill me. Ive always enjoyed killing pests in violent manners.
 
#60
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Well....I think if you get a good quality chisel point rock/geologists hammer you could take a fair amount of aggression out on anything you were so minded to......and your piggies would be easily and humanely despatched

And it's cheaper than a course on anger management!
 
#61
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://store.troyind.com/Flash_Suppressors_and_Muzzle_Brakes_s/76.htm

Because loading your muzzle full of glass is a good idea. If you going in muzzle first to break glass, thats what a bayonet should be used for, not your flash hider. From the training manuals I have read, they all say its a bad thing when you have obstructions in your muzzle, but what do I know? </div></div>


You don't know shit about shit- yes, you do use the muzzle to push through glass- you also use one to press check... if you can tell me what that means, I'll lay off.

You will not get obstructions in your barrel. No one said use it as a crutch in mud.
 
#62
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Got to go with VaJayJay, on this.

At the very least bring something else to hit the hog with.

I mean this seriously, not a flame job, but my cheapest AR style rifle ran me around a grand not counting optics. I'd feel like a real jerk breaking it by bashing an animal when I could have just had a knife or possibly a bat.

Same reason a pitcher doesn't want to break his pitching hand in a fight... sure the jerk deserves to get hit, but I'd rather be pitching than punching.
It's a really expensive baseball bat, is all I'm saying.

 
#63
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes Basraboy, that is a perfectly good, and effective option. But sometimes I would like to take a little aggression out on the dirty bastards. I do keep a maul in my truck, but thats besides the point. I would like to be able to use my gun. <span style="color: #FF0000">And most serial killers do start out by maiming and killing small furry, cuddly creatures. Im past that, I want to kill creatures that can kill me. Ive always enjoyed killing pests in violent manners.</span> </div></div>

With statements like this, I see a ban coming
 
#65
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The skulls I am wanting to bash belong to hogs, not zombies, not people, but a hog thats lying there bleeding to death. Instead of shooting him again and wasting my precious ammo, I would like to be able to take my butt and smash it across his head to put him out before I commence to cleaning. Yes a little excessive, but thats the point. I may not have the chance to do it, but having the ability is what i want. Just like most people wont be able to shoot a target at 1200yd, but want a gun that can. This thread has changed due to the shit talkers not liking things out of the norm. Plain and simple.</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes Basraboy, that is a perfectly good, and effective option. But sometimes I would like to take a little aggression out on the dirty bastards. I do keep a maul in my truck, but thats besides the point. I would like to be able to use my gun. And most serial killers do start out by maiming and killing small furry, cuddly creatures. Im past that, I want to kill creatures that can kill me. Ive always enjoyed killing pests in violent manners. </div></div>
Classy!
 
#66
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes Basraboy, that is a perfectly good, and effective option. But sometimes I would like to take a little aggression out on the dirty bastards. I do keep a maul in my truck, but thats besides the point. I would like to be able to use my gun. <span style="color: #FF0000">And most serial killers do start out by maiming and killing small furry, cuddly creatures. Im past that, I want to kill creatures that can kill me. Ive always enjoyed killing pests in violent manners.</span> </div></div>

With statements like this, I see a ban coming</div></div>

I'm guessing that there's no need for a psych evaluation or doctor's statement when buying firearms in the US?
 
#67
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Abe Lincoln was the same as a modern day communist. He wanted complete control over the south, his Gettysburg Address was nothing more than a speech written by smart people that could move people emotionally. Its called sensationalism. Screw Lincoln, he waged a war against his own people. And if anyone wants to argue what the civil war was about, bring it on. It was not slavery. To quote Abe Lincoln, a tyrant and beloved by the media and ACLU types, is just a poor attempt by someone who watches too much TV. Honest Abe was a chump and got what he deserved. If anyone who supports a man who wages a war on his on people are pathetic, maybe you need a history lesson.

I may not be trained by our military, but that does not mean I do not know what I am talking about. I have access to the same literature used to train our military. I read books written by those tained in our military. No I have not had personal training from a professional, but I know enough from what I have read. And if you people dont like my ideas, I dont care. Voice your opinions, and you will get mine. Just because where you were trained did not incorporate CQB with your stocks, does not mean its unnecessary. So by all means, fill this thread with shit talking. It gives me entertainment for a moment out of the day. </div></div>

Actually I believe the war was started when states decided to leave the union and create their own country. Agree with the cause or not, you should at least have your facts right.
 
#69
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes Basraboy, that is a perfectly good, and effective option. But sometimes I would like to take a little aggression out on the dirty bastards. I do keep a maul in my truck, but thats besides the point. I would like to be able to use my gun. <span style="color: #FF0000">And most serial killers do start out by maiming and killing small furry, cuddly creatures. Im past that, I want to kill creatures that can kill me. Ive always enjoyed killing pests in violent manners.</span> </div></div>

With statements like this, I see a ban coming </div></div>

good point DP, I missed that reference... yikes.
 
#71
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I'm all out of popcorn...but you would think from the original post that the AR-15 was not a weapon designed for military use by infantry...also that somehow it is a mission requirement to turn a rifle into a bludgeoning tool. Breaching? Shotguns and battering rams. Combat? Its a freakin' rifle, you shoot it. Breaking windows and beating stuff in with an aluminum rifle? <span style="font-weight: bold">You're doing it wrong!</span> Won't you look silly with a bolt carrier jammed in a dented buffer tube? Almost as nice as wrenching a FF tube loose and kinking a gas tube in the process.
Read the instruction booklet if you are having trouble operating the <span style="font-style: italic">rifle</span>.
 
#72
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Does it even register in your mind that you're mixed signals show your intent? You talk about needing a "battle stock" for your AR for the next "civil war" so you can still use your rifle as a weapon when you're out of ammunition- continuing the fight. Then you say "oh it's for hunting, I want to bash in hog skulls- not people" And then you continue on with some ramblings about liking to do psychopathic acts to living things that can hurt you.

Is this civil war you talk of against Hogs? Or are you building your own little militia that we'll maybe get to stomp on someday? With every post you make I have flashbacks of video's I've seen of militia training and laugh at how they are blundering imbeciles.
 
#73
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All person to person bashing aside, I'll try to look at this from a "cost benefit" perspective. The thread presumes that the rifle has gone down, so the rifle has to be used as a club for a "last ditch" weapon. The collapsable stocks weak point is where the aluminum tube joins up with the aluminum lower receiver. I suppose it would be possible to have a machinist make a steel buffer tube, and have someone custom design/make a stock to fit onto the steel buffer tube. However, you would still be stuck with the aluminum lower receiver joint. This is a very weak place for the kinds of forces I presume the OP is talking about.

So, even if you were able to get the world's sturdiest steel/carbon fiber (or whatever) butt stock system, you will still have the weak point where the stock joins the rifle. Sure, I suppose you could have the same machinist make a steel lower receiver...but that is an entirely different discussion.

All that being said, it appears that whatever kind of stock you get will only give you one good butt stroke before the joining point of the butt stock and lower receiver fails.

As long as it will most likely fail anyhow, have something cheap for the pre-failure butt stroke, and spend the money that would have been spent designing and manufacturing the super strong collapsable butt stock on something like a reliable pistol, tomahawk, short sword, knife, battle ax or whatever you desire as a back up weapon.

After all, the whole point is what to transition to after your rifle runs out of ammo or otherwise fails. And there is a plethora of information about transition drills, recommendations for secondary equipment and so on. A super strong custom butt stock places well below any of the other secondary weapons I mentioned in the previous paragraph.

If most of the experts have already evaluated the possible scenarios and made their recommendations about what to transition to and how to make the transition, taking that advice would be prudent. Rejecting consistent recommendations from a variety of experts is at the best, unwise; at the worst, downright stupid.

I'm not claiming to be an expert, just someone with one of the points of view that the original posting requested.
 
#75
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Or instead....you could just do what we've done for hundreds of years and stick a bayonet on it.

That'd do not only for wounded piggies but also for any casual out-of-ammo, hand-to-hand scenario's that you may come across in the course of your day.
 
#77
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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I think this fits here ... </div></div>

She fits anywhere!!!
 
#78
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Why did the states leave the union?

And I never killed furry cuddly creatures besides squirrels. I was just going with the flow on that post. I do enjoy killing pests, I.E. squirrels, hogs, roaches, rats, prairie dogs, all in violent over excessive manners. They ruin my grandparents crops and need to pay. Rabbits are a cuddly pest I dont mind killing. Besides, using a firearm in general is excessive when hunting. Sticks and stones have done the trick for thousands of years. If they make a stock that is as strong as a baseball bat, why bring 2 separate weapons to hunt when you can have one with both? And I have seen some expensive as baseball bats too. Louisville has some pieces of wood that are a extremely expensive. So 300$ for a stock that is supposed to be indestructible is not a bad deal.

And press checking-is that when you make sure your printer is printing right after you set up the press differently?

Or is it when you pull the slide back to check if a round is chambered? I thought thats what the loaded chamber indicators were for? Or is it when you slightly pull the charging handle back to verify a round is chambered then use the forward assist to re-chamber? Im not sure what press check is. My grandpa owned a printing press, my dad lost a finger doing a press check, and so maybe is not checking to make sure a round is in the chamber, maybe im wrong.
 
#80
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Im no forum troll. I joined this site to get in on the group buy for Iron Ridge Arms. Nothing more. If I offended you, I do apologize your sensitivity levels are extremely high. Or is it your estrogen levels have spiked? Either way, Walgreens has an assortment of Midol for you to choose from.
 
#81
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Outsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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I think this fits here ... </div></div>

Thanks, Outsy...there IS something worth viewing in this thread after all!!!
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#82
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why did the states leave the union?

And I never killed furry cuddly creatures besides squirrels. I was just going with the flow on that post. I do enjoy killing pests, I.E. squirrels, hogs, roaches, rats, prairie dogs, all in violent over excessive manners. They ruin my grandparents crops and need to pay. Rabbits are a cuddly pest I dont mind killing. Besides, using a firearm in general is excessive when hunting. Sticks and stones have done the trick for thousands of years. If they make a stock that is as strong as a baseball bat, why bring 2 separate weapons to hunt when you can have one with both? And I have seen some expensive as baseball bats too. Louisville has some pieces of wood that are a extremely expensive. So 300$ for a stock that is supposed to be indestructible is not a bad deal.

And press checking-is that when you make sure your printer is printing right after you set up the press differently?

Or is it when you pull the slide back to check if a round is chambered? I thought thats what the loaded chamber indicators were for? Or is it when you slightly pull the charging handle back to verify a round is chambered then use the forward assist to re-chamber? Im not sure what press check is. My grandpa owned a printing press, my dad lost a finger doing a press check, and so maybe is not checking to make sure a round is in the chamber, maybe im wrong. </div></div>

How old are you? What do you do for a living? I'm just curious; a lot of the things you say indicate rather young age.

And all wrong for press check- apparently your tactical studying hasn't been quiet as good as you thought.

Fork out the $$$ for the stock shown above, carry a club, or be realistic about bludgeoning living things.
 
#84
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If I offended you, I do apologize your sensitivity levels are extremely high. Or is it your estrogen levels have spiked? Either way, Walgreens has an assortment of Midol for you to choose from. </div></div>

Coming from the guy who hates mag-pul because they don't make mags for the armalite .308's

If anyone here is butt-hurt, it would appear to be you.
 
#85
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Or he's related to the one we dare not name....him of the dubious You Tube videos? </div></div>

Maser isn't from TX is he?!?!?
 
#87
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Geez I never said I hated Magpul. I even said if I had an AR15 I would put their tupperware on it. They make nothing for the 308, so I care not for Magpul. Why are you so upset I dont like magpul because they dont offer me a 308 mag? Im not butthurt, my feelings did not get hurt because Magpul doesnt make Armalite mags. I just wont buy their cheap shit because of it. Its legitimate reason not to support their company.
 
#88
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Then enlighten me oh master of the AR. What is the correct way to press check an AR15 with forward assist? </div></div>

Has nothing to do with the FA, or checking the status of the chamber and if you don't know it, you don't need to know it.

I'm not in the business of helping the airsoft milita learn current tactics.
 
#92
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Then enlighten me oh master of the AR. What is the correct way to press check an AR15 with forward assist? </div></div>

keep reading because there is more than one way to press check without a forward assist...

Here ---------------> http://www.militarybookclub.com might help your education.
 
#93
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats straight out of elementary. "If you dont know, then your stupid." Thats professional. </div></div>

Stupid never even entered into the mix... You rattled off all of your studying of manuals, books and tactics as if you're well informed, boasting of your knowledge of the uses of a rifle from both ends. Just demonstrating how you are not as knowledgeable as you think.
 
#94
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Then enlighten me oh master of the AR. What is the correct way to press check an AR15 with forward assist? </div></div>

for starters if your on an AR its not a press check.....hense the term "PRESS CHECK", pure genius
 
#95
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Geez I never said I hated Magpul.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Magpul can suck it for all I care</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">fuck Magpul. Magpul can suck Obama's dick for all I care.</div></div>


Yup... sounds like you have very warm feelings for Magpul
 
#96
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Thats the only things about press checking an AR I have found. And they all say to tap the forward assist for assurance after slightly pulling the changing handle back to visually checkt o see if a round is chambered, if no forward assist, to just rck another round. Same thing in pistols, pull the slide back just enough to see inside the chamber. Whats the point in press checking an ar? The safety doesnt go on unless is cocked, even then if doubt is in your mind in a combat situation, just we rack a round. So what if you loose one.
 
#97
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I said fuck magpul because the other guy was upset I didnt like magpul. So i said if me saying that upsets you, fuck magpul again. I mean if you are going to try and insult me, atleast read the damn posts and follow along. You are just pulling bits and pieces from posts when they all tie together. Thats something Micheal Moore and CNN do to get people to think a certain way. Come on, put up some more effort in your insults. You have not swayed me in anyway. If your insults were any good, why would I still be here arguing my points? Yall need to put more effort up is all. Atleast Im trying.
 
#98
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GoatHead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats the only things about press checking an AR I have found. And they all say to tap the forward assist for assurance after slightly pulling the changing handle back to visually checkt o see if a round is chambered, if no forward assist, to just rck another round. Same thing in pistols, pull the slide back just enough to see inside the chamber. <span style="font-weight: bold">Whats the point in press checking an ar? The safety doesnt go on unless is cocked, even then if doubt is in your mind in a combat situation, just we rack a round.</span> So what if you loose one. </div></div>

If the mag is not seated all the way you can rack all day and a round won't go in the chamber...

You keep digging your hole deeper and deeper... I would just admit you only know one way to press check and you really don't know why, only that you know it exists... like Bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster... they exist but you don't know why.
 
#99
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i dont like texas cause they dont make anything thats not gay, jus sayin



...just a joke, like not liking magpul for not making parts for a boat oar armalight
 
#100
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So you dont like Larue? I did not know Larue was only homo oriented. I guess thats why they use the DPMS pattern. You can call Texas gay all you want. Atleast this state has everything and more you could want. Except the mexicans.
 
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