Benelli M4 or Mossberg 590

Re: Benelli M4 or Mossberg 590

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 99HMC4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">M4 = Premier heritage

590 = Super Sniper

M4 all the way! </div></div>
Saiga 12= NF NXS

I know it's not really part of the discussion, but I'd have sold them both and bought an S12. Yu think it's fun to dump 7 rounds, try 10 or 12 or 23.
 
Re: Benelli M4 or Mossberg 590

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hill billy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 99HMC4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">M4 = Premier heritage

590 = Super Sniper

M4 all the way! </div></div>
Saiga 12= NF NXS

I know it's not really part of the discussion, but I'd have sold them both and bought an S12. Yu think it's fun to dump 7 rounds, try 10 or 12 or 23. </div></div>

My kinda guy!!!
 
Re: Benelli M4 or Mossberg 590

I think actually shooting the 870 and M4 is great advice. I've shot the 590, my first shotgun was a Model 500 purchased when I was 19 years old, so I am familiar with its manual of arms. I love the placement of its controls, very intuitive for me.

The S12...I dunno, an AK Shotgun...love my AKs, but I don't like the idea of a magazine hanging down from the thing, I bet shooting prone is a problem. But, I should give one a try.

I think the best course of action for me is to get an M4 used at a discount. Hard to find used ones right now, which tells me something. That way if it doesn't resonate with me I can sell it with little risk of loss.

Thanks for all the input.

Scott
 
Re: Benelli M4 or Mossberg 590

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Anderhorn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have both and like both, if I Had to choose one I would take the Benelli M4. I was worried the Benelli would not eat the cheap Federal Walmart bulk, but I ran over 200rnds through it without any problem at all. I very happy with it and its a kick in the ass to shoot! </div></div>

Benelli Vote
I have a Benelli Ultralight that eats the cheap walmart stuff all day long. Don't know about the Mossberg, but a Browning Silver choked on the same stuff. Not to mention the exponentially cleaner operation of the Benelli as compared to other semis.
 
Re: Benelli M4 or Mossberg 590

The 870 is the 700 of the shotgun world...the bulk of accessories are for the 870 and most custom builds are built on the platform.

Having said that dont think it will be any less money than the M4 in the end.

My last 870 project ended up at a tad over 1600.00 lol, ended up selling it and getting an M1 S90. In hindsight big mistake since it was picky with ammo. Dont know if the gas assisted M4 has the same issues or not.

This is my bro Mr Toyz 870. Quick run down it has a ported and back bored barrel with lengthened forcing cone, action rails microhoned polished, Mesa stock adapter with endine and sopmod, Mesa side sadle and top pic rail, scattergun tech iron sights, custom ext mag tube (flush with barrel), mesa barrel clamp/sling mount and Brugger&Tomet(sp?) handguard. Now it also has a PA dot sight and insight light.

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With the Endine and porting you can shoot full power slugs all day with no discomfort. Shooting low recoil buckshot is like shooting 20ga trap loads no exageration at all it works well.
 
Re: Benelli M4 or Mossberg 590

I love my 870 but I've always wanted a Benelli M4. I would only get one with the collapsible stock, I tried out the solid one piece stock and I couldn't get a good cheek weld and it seemed kinda cheap, tacked on. At least compared to the rest of the shotgun, because the fit and finish is excellent.
 
Re: Benelli M4 or Mossberg 590

For what it's worth, I have both an 870 and an M4. The only reason I still have the 870 is because it was my first gun. I really like the M4. I have not had any problems with it and it has never had any malfunctions. I put over 150 rounds in it straight and it worked just fine.

One thing for sure is you can buy one and it will most definitely sell for a good price if you don't like it. 870's are a dime a dozen.
 
Re: Benelli M4 or Mossberg 590

M4 and a tight beamed light on a magazine clamp with on/off lighting capabilities. A defensive shotgun course will really open your eyes on their strenghts and weaknesses. All I have on mine is a small high quality light and thin sling
 
Re: Benelli M4 or Mossberg 590

Both are great, you have to spend enough time with any gun to make sure it's reliable. 95% of the issues guys have with pump guns are because they are trying to work the pump too fast and short racking it. The older 590's seemed to have some issues but the newer ones seem very well done. It never hurts any pump to go through them and make sure the moving parts are burr free and polished up, or just rack the thing a few thousand times.

For LEO use there are things the pump can do better/faster than the semi, and a guy that's good with a pump can run rounds just as fast as most semi's.

I still love the 870, just because it runs, it's simple, and there are so many options for it. While you CAN put as much into an 870 as what an M4 costs, if you are sensible for the cost of an M4 you can have an 870 defense gun that turns into a turkey gun, that turns into a bird/sporting clays gun.
 
Re: Benelli M4 or Mossberg 590

Benelli M1 super 90, or maybe the M2 now. regular stock, buy a long barrel for it and take it dove hunting, put the short barrel back on and it's a home defense weapon.
Its a soft shooter, and my wife can handle it.
 
Re: Benelli M4 or Mossberg 590

Scott you should definitely get some trigger time with a Benelli, then you'll regret getting rid of that M4. I have to say though I like the inertia driven guns from Benelli the best. The first time I cleaned up my Legacy 20ga I was dumbfounded by the simplicity and how clean it was after 250rds of the cheap stuff from Wally World. I've never shot an auto loader that is as smooth as the Benelli.
 
Re: Benelli M4 or Mossberg 590

Previously I posted this about a similar debate:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: viav13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I own a lot of shotguns and have been a long time fan.

Here's my thoughts on the different shotguns:

A pump gun is a good multi-purpose tool. You can use it for many different things. Feed any number of rounds through it and it won't give you much trouble. As far as the 870 vs 500 series war, I lean on the 500 series a lot more than my 870. I just prefer it. Its safety is ambidextrous, and slide release doesn't require me to move my hand to engage it. People complain it feels sloppy, but I Think it adds to its reliability. It still patterns well.

If you get a 500 you can use it for everything with just a change of barrels. Slug barrel, Long bird barrel, a short 18in home defense barrel. I even have a muzzle loader barrel for mine. It doesn't have a 6+ round tube option, but if you want that there is the 590. Same gun with more rounds.

My new 590 did come with a bayonet and lug so that it can be attached.

The one thing the 870 does have over the 500 is the ability to add mag extensions. I do appreciate this greatly and have added a +3 round tube on mine. Now it looks cooler but is a bit long to be swinging around indoors without a pistol grip to short stock it.

Like I mentioned before though, I feel that pumps are more a multi-purpose gun than a offensive weapon. A short pump makes a wicked secondary weapon. Breaching, less-than-lethal, and other specialty rounds have made the pump a hard to beat. (dragons breath)

Semi-auto guns are more offensive oriented I think. They don't offer the flexibility that a pump gun has but they do have fire power on demand. I own a 930 spx and have fired just about all the major brands under the sun. 930 is a great gun, lots of fun, I just wish it had a pistol grip stock available for it. I feel that the semis benefit a lot more from one than a pump. It adds to the offensive side of things.

The 1100 is a great gun with a long history and lots of options. Can't really go wrong with it. Especially the one in the link mentioned above.

The Benelli's are amazing guns. They can take a beating and keep moving. There not as sensitive to ammo changes as some other semi shotties are. The one I would say is most note worthy is the Super Black Eagle. You can put any conventional shell through it and just fire away. 2 3/4" - 3 1/2" magnums. You can even miss match loads in the tube without issue. Just load it and shoot. It feels great, has low recoil, and is well balanced. It is more of a sporting gun, but since you didn't mention your purpose I threw it in here because its on my short list to buy.

As for 18-20in, 2in is not really going to make a huge difference in anything. In fact I would just go with the 18in and save myself the hassle of 2in.

And go with a 12ga. tons more ammo options and its the same price for more shot in the air. You can't buy 00 buck for 20ga. </div></div>

To sum up what I think more on the basis of this conversation:

Keep both. You may need a pump someday because a semi-auto is not the end-all-to-beat-all of guns. If that was the case we would all be running around with semi-auto sniper rifles. A pump(IMHO especially Mossberg) is going to run anything because it is not sensitive to powders or ammo types. Clean ammo, dirty ammo, smelly ammo, it don't matter. As awesome as the Benelli is, because of it moving parts, you cannot guarantee the same reliability.

And yes I have shot plenty of Benelli's and love them a lot.

Its like a revolver vs a semi-auto pistol. Mechanical action vs gas blow back. Both have there fans for a reason.
 
Re: Benelli M4 or Mossberg 590

Oh yeah,
I believe the "boat anchor" thing came from poachers.

I heard stories of poachers that would go out and shoot massive amount of goose in a sitting. When law enforcement would come around they would throw there shotguns over the edge of the boat with a rope tide to them. Most officers wouldn't think of looking for a gun at the end of a anchor rope.

Then, when the law would leave, they would pull the guns back up from the bottom and continue on there way.

Now a gun that can function after being used as a boat anchor...

Try that with a $2000 Benelli.
 
Re: Benelli M4 or Mossberg 590

Ive carried both mossbergs and remingtons on duty, and they completely work find by me. Shit, we have 870s from the 70s that still work flawlessly. My home defense gun is a 590 with a 18 inch tube and surefire foreend with light. K.I.S.S.