Best Adaptive Combat Rifle (ACR)

[Afghanvet09]

I have enjoyed the DI AR platform since the '80's, but considering an ACR type platform. FN, Bushmaster, Remington, Beretta and Robinson Arms all have ACR type platforms. Held a FN SCAR today and good ergonomics, irons, and isn't heavy like a boat anchor. Any ACR opinions about which of the currently available is best?

Found this 2012 SHOTSHOW video on Robinson Arms (XCR-l 16" barrel) today. It has the ability to change barrels/calibers, and is piston. YOUTUBE moderator recording video is talking all over the ACR presenter, but piece is informative:

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[lencomatt]

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I looked at an XCR yesterday and I really was not impressed. Its heavy, I don't think it was any lighter or balanced better than my ACR. The bolt made all kinds of noise cycling it in and out of battery and it seemed loose all the way around. I love the way my ACR shoots, its nice and smooth and flat. I don't like the firing pin tip that broke off, although they did send me 2 new ones. The ACR is somewhat heavy but not really any different than my 3 gun AR is. The main downside I see to the ACR is that there is no aftermarket parts for it as of right now. After 3 years of being out somebody should have picked up on it by now. Does that mean its a flop, I don't know but would lean closer to "yes" than "no" right now. If Bushy doesn't get off their asses and release some barrels and parts soon I think it will be a flop. Its too bad because I really like the rifle. Don't include Remington's version of the ACR in your argument though, that one isn't going to make it to the public anytime soon if ever. I personally cant stand the looks of the SCAR, its ugly to me. And for me the reciprocating bolt knob is a deal breaker.

 

[Afghanvet09]

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Was the XCR you handled the "l" series like in the 2012 SHOTSHOW vid above with the new style ACR stock?

On the BM ACR v FN SCAR, it would appear FN is slightly more accurate in this head to head test.


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[fmsniper]

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Scar all the way

 

[KChen986]

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Beretta ARX160, aka Vaporware.

But it does incorporate all the features that a next-gen rifle should.

 

[lencomatt]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: medcpt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was the XCR you handled the "l" series like in the 2012 SHOTSHOW vid above with the new style ACR stock?

On the BM ACR v FN SCAR, it would appear FN is slightly more accurate in this head to head test.
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The XCR I handled was not the new one, it was listed as used in the gun store but looked like it hadn't been shot. I have a buddy that has the SCAR and one of these days we are going to go shoot them and compare and contrast. I don't think the SCAR would be dramatically more accurate I would guess it would come down to how tight the barrel was tightened down on the ACR. Its the first thing everybody does is yank the barrel because you can. The ratchet needs to be in the same spot every time and at least on the couple I messed with, is they come tighter from than the factory than most want t o retighten it. The other nice thing about the ACR is that you can use normal AR triggers in it, I don't think you can in the SCAR. And AR barrels will work in the ACR with a little work, I don't think there's any way to change a barrel in a SCAR right now. Over on the ACRForum there are people getting ready to do handguards, and barrel conversion parts.

 

[jh1990]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fmsniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Scar all the way </div></div>

This. I went through the same thing as you and went with the SCAR. No regrets either.

 

[BCP]

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XCR isn't a bad rifle at all & their new 308 ones look like a great buy to me. Robarms customer service is what convinced me to keep my money in AR platform though.

 

[ney1]

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I have the SCAR and ACR, the scar is more comfortable but the ACR looks sexier, so far no function issues with either. Just get the ACR in .223 and the SCAR heavy .308 win and call it good.

 

[SaepeExertus]

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I personally prefer the ACR. I've shot the scar heavy and it was nice but talking to some buddies who have put the scar through some pretty rigorous tests said they had issues with it. I guess it depends on how hard you plan on running the rifle. It also depends on the bullet weight though, the ACR was originally put out with a 1:9 twist which doesn't stabalize the heavier bullets that well, but I've heard it's being offered with a 1:7 now.

 

[Afghanvet09]

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My ideal ACR would be, 16" barrel, not heavy (< 7.5 lbs), piston, quick barrel with popular caliber changes (e.g., 5.45mmx39, 5.56mmx39mm, 300 blackout, 7.62mmx39), sub-MOA with match ammo, low recoil impulse, AR mags, good ergonomics. More barrels and internals are being hard blued (i.e., melonite, salt bath nitrided) and this would also be a +. I would love to shoot the corrosive cheap stuff, without worrying about messing up a $2k rifle. The Robinson XCR-L sounds promising but need somebody else to buy it and beta-test it for me. YOUTUBE is starting to be a good place for weapon platform reviews and spending more time looking there.

 

[bigdog2003_99]

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supposedly the twist in the acr is not actually 1/9 but closer to 1/8, a couple of users on acrforum tested the twist and came out with that number

that would explain why it stabilizes higher grain rounds with no problems, ymmv

and +1 the ar15 barrels work in acr's with minimal work

 

[Afghanvet09]

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Maybe some ARF.comer on here could clear this one up. Here's an older vid of Magpul Masada ACR(it's labeled Remington(?). *what ever happened to this one?

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*looks like Magpul masada became Bushmaster ACR after using some web-fu. Later magpul/bushmaster ACR > remington ACR:

http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/Firearms/Carbines/ACR.aspx

At this point, looks like ACR's are still an evolving platform that although has had a rocky start,is constantly evolving, and I believe some version of this will replace the M16 platform as our service infantry rifle. Getting this into the big hands of somebody like Remington may be what the design concept needed.

Personally I don't think I'm ready to lay $2k on something whose epitath is an earlier predecessor to something else. Also a white elephant where later parts and support become an issue. Maybe why there is so little interest in the gun community.

 

[SaepeExertus]

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Remington is producing a version of the ACR in conjunction with bushmaster and magpul. After the initial designing and concept phase of the Magpul masada they signed of manufacturing rights to bushmaster for the commercial variant because magpul doesn't have to ability to mass produce firearms. As for the remington ACR its the same weapon as the magpul/bushmaster acr they just took over the military production and development of the rifle (bushmaster and remington are both a part of the Freedom Group of companies)

 

[Awesymoto]

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maybe his fatass videos wouldn't be so long if he didn't argue with the guys he interviews every 2 seconds.

 

[Afghanvet09]

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These individuals call themselves "youtube personalities." The newest version of the non-hollywood reality stars. Their bragging rights are # of subscibers and video hits (i.e., views).

Unrelated check out the "Mr. Ed Brown is Rude" Shotshow 2012 video. Nice guy moderator describes getting the brush off by Mr. Brown who apparently hasn't heard of the internet.

 

[rescueswimmer]

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If you like No BS informative Videos. Check out Military Arms Channel He does a great job, not like that ass hat Nutnfancy.


I was in the same boat you were looking for a next gen rifle, So I went through the normal process of looking and research and came up with the ACR, SCAR, XCR.

After some reviews of the XCR and it being held together with allen screws. The rifle having some issues and some of them coming loose. I believe the issue has been rectified, can't verify that. Never had a chance to shoot it.

So I moved on the ACR and the SCAR. Had the ability to shoot both of them.

Ergonomics goes to the SCAR the 45* throw safety selector is just about perfect. Everything else is on par with the AR. It does have a reciprocating charging handle. So that can be a plus or minus depending on who you are. It is really light feels like a toy almost. Shoots great and recoil is managed awesomely with the PWS brake. 1/7 barrel, Some of the things I did not like about it. The stock was cheep and flimsy, have had issues with the locking piece breaking off. Does not accept the current variant of Pmags unless you do a modification to them. Not hard but if you have a lot then its time consuming. Depending on how you shoot. The rail is very short. Since they are not a U.S. company it will be harder to get parts. Currently there are none available. If it brakes you send them your rifle and they will fix it.

The ACR. Feels like its built like a tank. Therefore, it weighs like one. It is very nose heavy, Does not balance well like the SCAR. 1/9 Barrel. (no issues for me shoots 69gr well for me.) Shoots very nice and smooth. Has the quick change barrel wrench, Caliber conversions on the way. Ambi controls like the SCAR, Uses Pmags, has the bolt catch built in like the (bad lever) Non reciprocating charging handle. Stocks are built very nice and are strong.

After all of that I decided on the ACR. These were my Reasons and only my rational behind it. BM/Remmy USA based company. BM has promised Caliber conversions. Although they have been promising them since the rifle has been released. It does look like the 6.8 will hit this year and 300blk possibly next year. Parts are slowly becoming available. Uses a standard AR15 barrel. Same trigger parts as an AR. Currently 2 hand guards and 2 stocks to chose from.

With a LW barrel change the rifle is a different animal its balances great. The quick change barrel is a gimmick not really needed IMHO I have removed the wrench to save on some weight. I have close to 2500 Rds through my ACR with no issues. I'm very happy with what I picked up and do not have any buyers remorse, but I went in thinking this is a 1st gen rifle and is going to have growing pains and hiccups that will get ironed out over the years. Hope this helps. If you get either I think you will be very happy.

RS

Check out MAC's 4 part series on the SCAR/ACR comparison.

 

[Afghanvet09]

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rescue swimmer thanks for owner info. agree +1 for military arms channel. He did a good review on the FN SCAR v BM ACR in 3 parts series, that includes accuracy testing head to head. check it out if you haven't already.

 

[mrtoyz]

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I went for the ACR as well for many of the same reasons rescueswimmer stated. Dont regret it a bit. Love the gun, but it is heavy.
I'm not happy about the in-availability of parts either. Thought I'd do my part. I designed a light weight rail that uses the Vltor/Noveske KeyMod acc'y attachment system. Hope to have a prototype in the next week or so. Using my rail and my cut down (14.5), re-profiled and fluted barrel my ACR will weigh in just over 7.6 lbs.

-T