Glad that phone landed safely .
Now we wait for plug to pop up on ebay
Imagine walking down the road minding your own mutha fawking business and getting your noggin caved in by some pos iphone....lol
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Boeing 737 Max at it again
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Imagine walking down the road minding your own mutha fawking business and getting your noggin caved in by some pos iphone....lol
I would rather ditch in a body of water that attempt to do a gear up off field landing... chances of success in water are pretty damn high if done properly. Chances of success doing an off field landing are not nearly as good... MAYBE in a Cessna, but definitely not in a large jet. There is evidence of a few purposeful ditchings in the past few years being 100% successful.
I worked for 9 years at another OEM on the other side of the city..........I think I have a good idea of how it goes.
Idk man. Some Russian coasted a 320 into a field recently and they flew it out even. I don’t want either. Give me the choice, I just hope it’s daylight for whichever one I have to deal with.
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6-8 seats away from the door is quiet in just about every aircraft. Just a few aircraft I’ve been in doors open at altitude on for reference
C17, C130, C23, Twin Otter, CH47(all the way up front by the crew chief area is even surprisingly quiet at drip altitude and speed).
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Then you should be well aware of the number of ways in which things can go wrong.
Looks like this might not be an isolated problem:
abcnews.go.com
"Since we began preliminary inspections on Saturday, we have found instances that appear to relate to installation issues in the door plug -- for example, bolts that needed additional tightening"
Can't wait for my next opportunity to use the term "bolts that needed additional tightening".
United finds loose bolts on 737 Max 9 planes in wake of Alaska Airlines door plug incident
United Airlines says that it has found loose bolts during inspections of its 737 Max 9 fleet in the wake of a door plug getting blown out of an Alaska Airlines plane.
abcnews.go.com
"Since we began preliminary inspections on Saturday, we have found instances that appear to relate to installation issues in the door plug -- for example, bolts that needed additional tightening"
Can't wait for my next opportunity to use the term "bolts that needed additional tightening".
OK, a few thoughts from an old shade tree steamfitter / welder.
When you have a pressure vessel with an opening in the side.... Any patch / cover should be installed in such a manner that the more the pressure increases, the tighter the patch is pressed against the vessel.
Appears these covers were attached on the outside of the pressure vessel. As internal pressure increased it forced the covers off.
If these covers were installed on the inside the cabin pressure would have held them tight against the interior wall of the vessel.
JMHO
When you have a pressure vessel with an opening in the side.... Any patch / cover should be installed in such a manner that the more the pressure increases, the tighter the patch is pressed against the vessel.
Appears these covers were attached on the outside of the pressure vessel. As internal pressure increased it forced the covers off.
If these covers were installed on the inside the cabin pressure would have held them tight against the interior wall of the vessel.
JMHO
Them ESG engineers sure are doing a great job.
Well, math is still racist.
Even if The doors Pop Off. At least the engineers had equal opportunity.
Besides, if you hired the Amish, they wouldn’t be able to design anything fancier than a buggy! So they are out!
Sirhr
Well, math is still racist.
Even if The doors Pop Off. At least the engineers had equal opportunity.
Besides, if you hired the Amish, they wouldn’t be able to design anything fancier than a buggy! So they are out!
Sirhr
Looks like this might not be an isolated problem:
United finds loose bolts on 737 Max 9 planes in wake of Alaska Airlines door plug incident
United Airlines says that it has found loose bolts during inspections of its 737 Max 9 fleet in the wake of a door plug getting blown out of an Alaska Airlines plane.
"Since we began preliminary inspections on Saturday, we have found instances that appear to relate to installation issues in the door plug -- for example, bolts that needed additional tightening"
Can't wait for my next opportunity to use the term "bolts that needed additional tightening".
Torque specs are racist, you hater!
Sirhr
A twin engine commercial airplane can fly as far as 60 minutes from a suitable airport without needing to comply with ETOPS procedures, three and four engine commercial airplanes (unless you are cargo only then the FAA doesn't give fuck all) can go as far as 180 minutes from a suitable airport without needing to comply with ETOPS procedures.
Not being able to use ETOPS means they could not get the 737 more than 60 minutes from a suitable airport while flying over the water.
All airplanes return to the ground. Some can be reused afterwords.
No, they are "technically" on the inside, although not a true "plug". The fuselage frame has lugs on it. The door has lugs on it. Said door lugs sit INSIDE of the fuselage lugs. So when the aircraft is pressurized the plug does indeed push OUT against the fuselage frame lugs.
I am. And in reality it's nowhere near as many as you and the hobo Hilton idiot seem to think.
I sat my ass down in more than one King Air on its first production acceptance test flight. And yet here I am.
Jesus Christ shut the fuck up already.
Nobody cares about your humble opinion.
Wait you're a steamfitter? I thought you were a Nobel laureate economist from all the bullshit you spew on THAT other topic.
Homendy said
“We were able to inspect the airframe itself from the exterior and found absolutely no structural damage to the airplane,” she told “CNN This Morning.” “Inside, there was a lot of damage to non-critical components.”
Interesting there was no structural damage if it was "lug to lug".
I am a pilot but also an A&P with a lot of hours working on B-737‘s but by all means I will defer to your google expertise…….
Rapid unscheduled disassembly.Looks like this might not be an isolated problem:
United finds loose bolts on 737 Max 9 planes in wake of Alaska Airlines door plug incident
United Airlines says that it has found loose bolts during inspections of its 737 Max 9 fleet in the wake of a door plug getting blown out of an Alaska Airlines plane.
"Since we began preliminary inspections on Saturday, we have found instances that appear to relate to installation issues in the door plug -- for example, bolts that needed additional tightening"
Can't wait for my next opportunity to use the term "bolts that needed additional tightening".
Done.
Interesting. I have never had the experience. (Thank you for your service). Just seems odd, wind whipping by at 400+ knots.
But, good to know. Always wanted to try that, but live by the adage. "Why jump out of a perfectly good areoplane".
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Looks like this might not be an isolated problem:
United finds loose bolts on 737 Max 9 planes in wake of Alaska Airlines door plug incident
United Airlines says that it has found loose bolts during inspections of its 737 Max 9 fleet in the wake of a door plug getting blown out of an Alaska Airlines plane.
"Since we began preliminary inspections on Saturday, we have found instances that appear to relate to installation issues in the door plug -- for example, bolts that needed additional tightening"
Can't wait for my next opportunity to use the term "bolts that needed additional tightening".
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I'd kinda really rather not know. Just let me be comfortable on the fight. And, if my time is up, I had a good ride.
)))You better go read what I wrote again seems reading comprehension isn't strong with you.
I was going to ask your opinion on Russia's fleet.
I flew Aeroflot in 1988, December, lots of snow in CCCP.
Only plane I recall with house flies in the cabin but they landed that thing on a snow covered field and it oddly felt comforting like I was in an overbuilt tractor the way it handled the rough runway.
My only ain't experience is passenger.
I would not under any circumstances get on any aircraft operated by a Russian airline anytime soon. Especially Boeing or Airbus.
"Nowhere as many"? Well shit, that's reassuring! One is still too many in this game, as you damn well know. If you or I were involved in this mess, we'd be wearing out several pairs of boots doing gemba walks, because this rot is pervasive throughout the company and its suppliers, and if I heard anyone make a statement like yours, they'd be told to leave the building and stop by the front desk tomorrow for their personal things and some paperwork.
I'm glad that you were able to survive those flights, which of course was the overwhelming statistical likelihood. That happened because no one took the attitude of "nowhere as many" at any point during the development and production of those craft.
I get that you want to come off as cranky and dismissive of anyone's opinion, but it ain't working here. A single missed fastener or misdrilled hole was a defect that should have resulted in corrected action that ensued it never happened again. The fact that these stories remain in the news indicates cultural rot that will likely take years to correct, if ever.
The NTSB briefing stated the door had damage as if it "translated up before departing"... which would disengage the lugs...
I have never seen one of these particular "doors/plugs" but I said before that every one of these doors designed like this(basically every door on the airplane) drops in from the top and then there is a cam lock action somewhere to hold it in place(or in this case 4 bolts). The reason they drop in from the top is so they dont have room to fall out the bottom. The fail safe is basically just sitting on the floor of the aircraft so the lugs stay in tact, if the locking mechanism fails. So this loose plug basically was able to move up and depart the aircraft.
Let's take a quick look at the CV of Boeing:
So this guy rose to the top at GE during the Welsh and Immlet eras, bailed before the 2008 crash when GE was revealed to be effectively insolvent, bounced around the private equity world for about 15 years, and then sat on the Boeing board as stuff fell apart.
Dudes with accounting or biz degrees from technical schools are always a bit suss, if we're being honest. All too often they got into those programs after failing out of an engineering program.
So this guy rose to the top at GE during the Welsh and Immlet eras, bailed before the 2008 crash when GE was revealed to be effectively insolvent, bounced around the private equity world for about 15 years, and then sat on the Boeing board as stuff fell apart.
Dudes with accounting or biz degrees from technical schools are always a bit suss, if we're being honest. All too often they got into those programs after failing out of an engineering program.
A good discussion by some folks who seem to be "in the trade".
Alaska Airlines 737-900 MAX loses a door in-flight out of PDX - PPRuNe Forums
Accidents and Close Calls - Alaska Airlines 737-900 MAX loses a door in-flight out of PDX - Originally Posted by dragon6172 Interesting that this location is about 2 miles lateral separation from the aircrafts ground track according to flightaware/flightradar24. That seems quite a bit.... Windage?
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Man, if we could only find the genesis of profits over quality. Who would mandate such a thing?
“shareholder supremacy”
“shareholder supremacy”
GEE if only I was IN THE TRADE and knew what I was talking about...
The end user would mandate... But only after you removed the Government from the equation.
I am located close to a rural airport. After watching some questionable maneuvers, I bring up FlightAware.
That certainly validates my observations. Complaining to the alphabet agencies does no good.
Like the guy with a new plane, just registered, comes out and let's his kids fly in circles around the airport.
I'll save my findings and share them with the family of the people one of these clowns kills.
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Its called flying the pattern and probably doing touch and go's... its so insanely common, ESPECIALLY if you just got a new airplane, its hilarious you think they are doing something wrong and would report them to the FAA... The FAA guy probably rolled his eyes and though "this fucking idiot" and hung up on you...
You can further read on his expertise as a steamfitter here:
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I'm doing load development at a new range and have new weather conditions. I think I have been struggling with condensation in the bore for a while but didn't recognize it. It took the symptoms getting worse before it became more obvious. Yesterday was 20 degrees and 70%+ humidity. The first...
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I've worked for Boeing here in SC for a few years doing the CNC driller maintenance on the mid body assembly. Just when I thought the dysfunction level of the average government organization was the gold standard, Boeing is just as screwed up. Very top heavy management who's #1 priority is self preservation of their jobs. Quality product be damned. I saw a bunch of sketchy structural workmanship get a QC signoff.
I had no reason to ever fly before. After seeing what I have seen, I certainly don't have a reason to fly. I'll take a ship if I have to cross an ocean.
I had no reason to ever fly before. After seeing what I have seen, I certainly don't have a reason to fly. I'll take a ship if I have to cross an ocean.
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