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These were Tupelovs or some other Russians brand.I would not under any circumstances get on any aircraft operated by a Russian airline anytime soon. Especially Boeing or Airbus.
These were Tupelovs or some other Russians brand.
Everyone that got on the plane seemed to be carrying bread and strong cheese.
I deserved it for staying out all night on Finnish Independence Day and missing my flight back to Moscow.
Aeroflot was my only option to avoid an AWOL.
Did anyone at the airline touch the fasteners that hold that door?"Nowhere as many"? Well shit, that's reassuring! One is still too many in this game, as you damn well know. If you or I were involved in this mess, we'd be wearing out several pairs of boots doing gemba walks, because this rot is pervasive throughout the company and its suppliers, and if I heard anyone make a statement like yours, they'd be told to leave the building and stop by the front desk tomorrow for their personal things and some paperwork.
I'm glad that you were able to survive those flights, which of course was the overwhelming statistical likelihood. That happened because no one took the attitude of "nowhere as many" at any point during the development and production of those craft.
I get that you want to come off as cranky and dismissive of anyone's opinion, but it ain't working here. A single missed fastener or misdrilled hole was a defect that should have resulted in corrected action that ensued it never happened again. The fact that these stories remain in the news indicates cultural rot that will likely take years to correct, if ever.
Another non pilot moron who thinks he knows what's legal and safe.I am located close to a rural airport. After watching some questionable maneuvers, I bring up FlightAware.
That certainly validates my observations. Complaining to the alphabet agencies does no good.
Like the guy with a new plane, just registered, comes out and let's his kids fly in circles around the airport.
I'll save my findings and share them with the family of the people one of these clowns kills.
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You're responding to the king moronIts called flying the pattern and probably doing touch and go's... its so insanely common, ESPECIALLY if you just got a new airplane, its hilarious you think they are doing something wrong and would report them to the FAA... The FAA guy probably rolled his eyes and though "this fucking idiot" and hung up on you...
You're a pilot but can't understand the difference between having no divert options over water and having them over land?I am a pilot but also an A&P with a lot of hours working on B-737‘s but by all means I will defer to your google expertise…….
Every airplane ever made has had at least dozens of engineering deviations written and approved against it.I've worked for Boeing here in SC for a few years doing the CNC driller maintenance on the mid body assembly. Just when I thought the dysfunction level of the average government organization was the gold standard, Boeing is just as screwed up. Very top heavy management who's #1 priority is self preservation of their jobs. Quality product be damned. I saw a bunch of sketchy structural workmanship get a QC signoff.
I had no reason to ever fly before. After seeing what I have seen, I certainly don't have a reason to fly. I'll take a ship if I have to cross an ocean.
I bring up FlightAware.
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That NTSB lady said the green locking attachment is missing but not critical to the investigation. WTF? Its what holds door to the plane. Reports that a boy could hear whistling from the door before it flew off.
Perhaps they forgot to install the locking bolts in this side of the airplane.
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If you only knew shody work floating the oceans of the globe.I've worked for Boeing here in SC for a few years doing the CNC driller maintenance on the mid body assembly. Just when I thought the dysfunction level of the average government organization was the gold standard, Boeing is just as screwed up. Very top heavy management who's #1 priority is self preservation of their jobs. Quality product be damned. I saw a bunch of sketchy structural workmanship get a QC signoff.
I had no reason to ever fly before. After seeing what I have seen, I certainly don't have a reason to fly. I'll take a ship if I have to cross an ocean.
Seems like all the retention fasteners are buried behind (outboard of) interior trim panels. And.... that airline maintenance people probably wouldn't get in there unless there was a very good reason to do so. In hindsight, I guess it could be argued that there WAS a good reason to do so. AK had numerous pressurization warnings prior to failure that could be argued that they didn't take seriously enough. But, it was a brand new AC and it's looking like the four retention bolts weren't originally installed by Spirit/Boeing.@_Windrider_ @rjacobs
Is there any reason for airline maintenance personnel to ever mess with this door plug/exit/whatever it is?
Seems several here hell bent on blaming Boeing or Spirit, ignoring (for whatever reason) that they have no control over what others do to their products once they are delivered.
Well sonny boy, there's the way you think things work and the way they really work.
I honestly don’t know. I don’t know enough about the 737 to speak intelligently on that. My gut tells me that there is a routine inspection that would be done but it wouldn’t be a daily or weekly. It would be more of a heavy maintenance cycle check. I mean you have to remove seats and wall panels to get to it and from the outside I don’t think you’d even see it as it’s skinned over. ( don’t quote me on that).@_Windrider_ @rjacobs
Is there any reason for airline maintenance personnel to ever mess with this door plug/exit/whatever it is?
Seems several here hell bent on blaming Boeing or Spirit, ignoring (for whatever reason) that they have no control over what others do to their products once they are delivered.
I don't simp for anyone. I know the reality of making airplanes better than most here.I don't know why you're simping so hard for Boeing and Spirit, but various tirades in this thread have undermined the reputation you've built over the last half-dozen years as someone who knows manufacturing quality.
After nearly 30 years in manufacturing, one of the things I've learned is that the grasp of most front line workers is limited to the very minute part they make/are involved in and extends nowhere else. Most of them have zero fucking clue about the underlying principles and development of what they are bolting together (they might know they how but have no idea of why) and zero fucking clue about what it is like to actually run a manufacturing business (since they've never had a part in doing so).Shitting on blue-collar workers? Really? Betcha the guys drilling the wallered-out holes in the bulkheads on Spirit's line have a better grasp of the issues than does the management of either company, which is why leading quality disciplines puts such a high value on going to the source of the problem and talking to such people.
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Oh, I'm sure, but at least I can float and swim. Most ships have some backup lifeboats should the worst happen. You don't get issued a parachute on commercial airliners.If you only knew shody work floating the oceans of the globe.
I have had the pleasure of working with some brilliant engineers in multiple locations through the years. I've learned a lot from them and they learned some efficient hands on ways of getting things accomplished from me. They were always asking me why I never pursued an engineering degree after they saw what I was capable of. We always bounced ideas off each other. Everything from prototype development to equipment upgrades. I've had very good working relationships with all these engineers because we worked together. We respected each other for our backgrounds and strengths. No one was barking orders and calling each other incompetent dumbasses.Every airplane ever made has had at least dozens of engineering deviations written and approved against it.
How are you qualified to decide what a sketchy structural joint is or is not? Don't answer that. I already know: you're not.
You were just another guy doing maintenance on some drills. Not someone with the knowledge to do structural loads on that particular airframe.
Maybe you and @E. Bryant can start your own airplane manufacturer and show everyone how it's done.
You know what I think? I think there should be a blue collar month at every fortune 500 company. All salary people go home for a month with pay and all hourly people get to run the company. At the end of that month, every blue collar guy who fucked up the job that they thought was "so easy" or "not important" gets fired.
That would be fun to watch.
I have had the pleasure of working with some brilliant engineers in multiple locations through the years. I've learned a lot from them and they learned some efficient hands on ways of getting things accomplished from me. They were always asking me why I never pursued and engineering degree after they saw what I was capable of. We always bounced ideas off each other. Everything from prototype development to equipment upgrades. I've had very good working relationships with all these engineers because we worked together. We respected each other for our backgrounds and strengths. No one was barking orders and calling each other incompetent dumbasses.
I'm sure you are strong in the knowledge department, but your people skills are severely lacking. Companies like Boeing that are top heavy with salaried management of your exact attitude are always complaining that "wE cAn'T FinD anYoNe tHat waNts to wORk aNyMoRe" because you ran them all off with toxic management practices. 90% of people don't leave jobs because the work was too hard, they leave bad management.
What company do you work for and which location? I am only asking because 2-3 headhunters a week are trying to tease me out of retirement with some 6 figures/year offers and I certainly don't want to end up with a gig or contract dealing with you and your ilk. We could save each other some time by ensuring we never cross paths. I'm sure the feeling is mutual. You can reply here or DM me with the info.
You are still avoiding revealing where you work so that we both can ensure that we never have to put up with each other in the workplace.Cool story bro.
The fact is that you came here to shit on how poorly you think Boeing airplanes are made. But you have no actual aircraft design or engineering knowledge nor any knowledge of Boeings specific design and manufacturing standards.
You were the cnc drill repair guy. That sounds impressive to those on the outside. But those with real aircraft mfg experience can see the bullshit.
You're just salty that you got called on it.
You are still avoiding revealing where you work
After nearly 30 years in manufacturing, one of the things I've learned is that the grasp of most front line workers is limited to the very minute part they make/are involved in and extends nowhere else.
@_Windrider_ @rjacobs
Is there any reason for airline maintenance personnel to ever mess with this door plug/exit/whatever it is?
Seems several here hell bent on blaming Boeing or Spirit, ignoring (for whatever reason) that they have no control over what others do to their products once they are delivered.
I dont think Boeing would PURPOSELY loosen those bolts so that points back to Spirit Aerosystems lacking QC...and then Boeing not inspecting a sub-contractors work and thus lacking QC... So ya'll see the quandry here and where to place blame....the sub-contractor who might have fucked up or Boeing who didnt QC the sub work and also fucked up...
Ah yes, the ol' game of "inspecting in" quality. I'm sure someone was only another check or two away from achieving zero defects.
Get a job at Boeing. Straighten them out.
Not everything, but it's already proven to have directly killed people.I'm finding to whole "blame everything on DEI" pretty cringe worthy, especially when it comes to aviation.
I’m inclined to think this one isn’t on Boeing. It looks like the plane is 8 years old. There have probably been at least one overhaul/engine replacement since the carrier took posession of the 747. Those overhauls/replacements have been probably been done by someone other than Boeing.Atlas Air Boeing 747-8 Catches Fire Mid-Air After Departing From Miami (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Anthony Scott
An Atlas Air Boeing 747-8 cargo plane caught fire in mid-air shortly after leaving Miami International Airport on Thursday.www.thegatewaypundit.com
This failure is unquestionably directly related to a QA issue on the line. No question. It’s nether design nor specifically employee type related.I'm finding to whole "blame everything on DEI" pretty cringe worthy, especially when it comes to aviation.
The Matt Walshs of the world have no idea what the Swiss cheese model is or understand human factors, and seems like they think maintenance errors are a new phenomenon.
I'm sure Boeing is employing some really geniuses at the moment (aviation Engineering is short staffed world wide) but a failure like this going undetected goes far deeper than employing a few less grumpy white guys.
Let me paint a very real picture of reality in a manufacturing environment. Stolen from a good friend who knows and nailed it.Ah yes, the ol' game of "inspecting in" quality. I'm sure someone was only another check or two away from achieving zero defects.
Atlas Air Boeing 747-8 Catches Fire Mid-Air After Departing From Miami (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Anthony Scott
An Atlas Air Boeing 747-8 cargo plane caught fire in mid-air shortly after leaving Miami International Airport on Thursday.www.thegatewaypundit.com