Gunsmithing breaking rockset or red locktite loose??

[black_ump]

i wanna "jail brak" my aac defender's locking device off to service the locking device.

i have the gen 1 model with set screw and once i remove the setscrew i need to some how break the ____ not sure if they use red locktite or rockset but i am curious how to break either of these loose.

i was told hot boiling water... if so for how long

 

[eclipse57]

Re: breaking rockset or red locktite loose??

I have had some luck in the past with applying direct heat from the tip of a soldering iron. I am not familiar with your specific part, so I don't know if this would be possible. The bigger the part, the bigger the tip that you can use. Once you break it loose, work it back and forth very gently till you get it all of the way off.

How long will also depend on the size of the part. The bigger it is the longer you will have to apply the heat.

Hope this will help.

 

[Badshot308]

Re: breaking rockset or red locktite loose??

If AAC did the assembly, contact them before going any further. There's various types of red loctite, both industrial and commercial. They require heat to break them loose. Rocksett is a high temperature water based product that requires soaking in water to break free. Watch halfway through this video http://www.youtube.com/user/NOLATAC#p/a/u/0/kPrkQHFyK38 .

 

[black_ump]

Re: breaking rockset or red locktite loose??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badshot308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If AAC did the assembly, contact them before going any further. There's various types of red loctite, both industrial and commercial. They require heat to break them loose. Rocksett is a high temperature water based product that requires soaking in water to break free. Watch halfway through this video http://www.youtube.com/user/NOLATAC#p/a/u/0/kPrkQHFyK38 . </div></div>


dang soak it for 24 hrs how ever he didnt say it had to be hot water so i could kill two birds with one stone by soaking it to get the rockset loose i also get a chance to soak the carbon for a pre cleaning

 

[Badshot308]

Re: breaking rockset or red locktite loose??

Just call AAC and see what they recommend.

 

[black_ump]

Re: breaking rockset or red locktite loose??

i just emailed them so hopfully i get a reply tomorrow

 

[Straight Shooter]

Re: breaking rockset or red locktite loose??

I doubt boiling will do anything. From the Loctite website:

<span style="color: #3333FF">Loctite® Threadlocker Red 271™ is designed for the permanent locking and sealing of threaded fasteners. The product cures when confined in the absence of air between close fitting metal surfaces. It protects threads from rust and corrosion and prevents loosening from shock and vibration. It is only removable once cured by heating up parts to 500°F (260°C).</span>

http://www.loctiteproducts.com/techdata-msds.shtml

 

[AMOK!]

Re: breaking rockset or red locktite loose??

black_ump, check out www.toolandfab.com/forum/showthread.php?t=447. Lists a few tricks of the trade, centering around application of heat, torque, and chemicals (MEK, Methylene Cl). As mentioned above, Loctite makes many variants of "red" Threadlocker (eg. 271 HS, 271 HD, 272 HT, etc). Appears that co-application of heat and torque might work.

 

[black_ump]

Re: breaking rockset or red locktite loose??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AMOK!</div><div class="ubbcode-body">black_ump, check out www.toolandfab.com/forum/showthread.php?t=447. Lists a few tricks of the trade, centering around application of heat, torque, and chemicals (MEK, Methylene Cl). As mentioned above, Loctite makes many variants of "red" Threadlocker (eg. 271 HS, 271 HD, 272 HT, etc). Appears that co-application of heat and torque might work.

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ya i just watched a youtube vid on it... if the heat dont work then ill soak it for 24 hrs.... hopfully aac gets back to me and tells me exactly what they used


edit: before i crack this thing open... makeing small repairs ( such as a locking device repair ) to a suppressor is that ok or does the atf say its a no no

 

[AMOK!]

Re: breaking rockset or red locktite loose??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

ya i just watched a youtube vid on it... if the heat dont work then ill soak it for 24 hrs.... hopfully aac gets back to me and tells me exactly what they used

edit: before i crack this thing open... makeing small repairs ( such as a locking device repair ) to a suppressor is that ok or does the atf say its a no no</div></div>

Access http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=993798&page=1

 

[black_ump]

Re: breaking rockset or red locktite loose??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AMOK!</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

ya i just watched a youtube vid on it... if the heat dont work then ill soak it for 24 hrs.... hopfully aac gets back to me and tells me exactly what they used

edit: before i crack this thing open... makeing small repairs ( such as a locking device repair ) to a suppressor is that ok or does the atf say its a no no</div></div>

Access http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=993798&page=1 </div></div>

ok according to that as long as i dont change the tube or caliber iam ok.

and since all iam doing is changing the springs and fixing the thing that slips in the barrels key way to keep it from spinning iam good to go

 

[KYS]

Re: breaking rockset or red locktite loose??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AMOK!</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

ya i just watched a youtube vid on it... if the heat dont work then ill soak it for 24 hrs.... hopfully aac gets back to me and tells me exactly what they used

edit: before i crack this thing open... makeing small repairs ( such as a locking device repair ) to a suppressor is that ok or does the atf say its a no no</div></div>

Access http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=993798&page=1 </div></div>

ok according to that as long as i dont change the tube or caliber iam ok.

<span style="color: #3366FF">and since all iam doing is changing the springs and fixing the thing that slips in the barrels key way to keep it from spinning iam good to go</span> </div></div>

Huh?

Just don't alter the tube, engraving, or caliber and you will be fine. Just be careful how much you mess with it because if you break it AAC will tell you to pay up when you send it in for repairs. They don't honor purposely broken suppressors.

 

[black_ump]

Re: breaking rockset or red locktite loose??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AMOK!</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

ya i just watched a youtube vid on it... if the heat dont work then ill soak it for 24 hrs.... hopfully aac gets back to me and tells me exactly what they used

edit: before i crack this thing open... makeing small repairs ( such as a locking device repair ) to a suppressor is that ok or does the atf say its a no no</div></div>

Access http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=993798&page=1 </div></div>

ok according to that as long as i dont change the tube or caliber iam ok.

<span style="color: #3366FF">and since all iam doing is changing the springs and fixing the thing that slips in the barrels key way to keep it from spinning iam good to go</span> </div></div>

Huh?

Just don't alter the tube, engraving, or caliber and you will be fine. Just be careful how much you mess with it because if you break it AAC will tell you to pay up when you send it in for repairs. They don't honor purposely broken suppressors. </div></div>

kool.... thanks for the heads up buddy

 

[hunter81]

Re: breaking rockset or red locktite loose??

good luck

 

[badbot]

Re: breaking rockset or red locktite loose??

ask aac if they will fix it.
if they are fixing it and it breaks they have parts.

 

[black_ump]

Re: breaking rockset or red locktite loose??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunter81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">good luck
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i got it off no problem lol