Building the Perfect Reloading Room
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Reloading :: Primal Rights, Inc
Reloading equipment developed by Primal Rights to elegantly solve some of the most loathsome aspects of ammunition creation.
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I would guess a primer seater. I forget the make. (Edit: Primalrights as noted above) Ridiculously priced as I recall lol ($675)
It is a primer. It is expensive. It is worth it in my book compared to handheld options out there.
And then often we get so invested in what we do we can’t see the forest for the trees.
Do you shoot 3 round groups, 5 round or 30 round or what? Just curious.
Yea i kept hearing about them from buddies and on the Everyday sniper podcast. Haven't seen one yet though so i didn't know what it looked like. Definitely picking one up. Thanks everyone.
I use to shoot a good bit of f class but life happens and I work too much now and shoot steel at 800-1k.
I enjoy the science and sport of shooting. I don’t think I lost the forest from the trees and this is a wonderful tool to either bulk reload or make very precise ammo. You can decide for yourself - pics attached.
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It's decided. 19 shot groups are the new standard.
I like mine and recommend one but I understand why others would not buy one or don’t think it is a necessary addition for their reloading system. Unfortunately, you need to buy to try or know someone else who has one.
I’m gonna jump in on this one. I shoot three shot groups. LOTS of three shot groups. Minimum of 5 three shot groups but at least 7 three shot groups per individual test in a test session. Seen far too many large groups ruined by a flyer that could or could not be a shooter error. However large number is smaller groups shows a pattern. As said, I would rather have 7 groups with one bad and the rest very good, than one 20 shot group with a flyer or two of an inch or more out, making the test results seem false.
However, I have seen tests where on group went into one hole but the others were as wide as an inch or more. It works both ways. It’s not the number of shots, it’s the number of Groups. Need to look for a pattern, not a hole.
So to make this clear, a ladder tests of five loads takes a minimum of 75 shots but a better average can be found with 105 shots. Find a decent load and then throw the paper away and start banging steel. Its a lot more fun.
I like mine, but the use case I would recommend one is pretty limited. The price has gone up since I got mine, and I picked it up on SH deal. It’s a really tough sell at the price point. Especially with the ugly reloader option out now.
Yes, I ordered one of these ugly annealer primer tools yesterday too. It’s more in my price range.
I still don’t get it why there’s constantly someone complaining or bitching in almost every other thread where people show their nice equipment…
Can’t they just be happy for them and keep their ridiculous negativity for themselves?
Get one of the DA handheld primer flipper fillers. Saves a ton of time filling Dillon or similar primer tubes, and the handheld one does large and small.
Nothing worse than poking each one with the spreader tip.
Thanks for the advice. I’ll plan on using this for lrp and keep priming my 6BR srp with my Lee app or whatever that thing is called. It’s working good for small primers right now.
Or …. small numbers yield statistically insignificant data. If you shot 100 rounds, for example, you would have a round group of dispersed shots and you could select any 3, any 3 whatsoever and that could be one of your groups. By “deselecting” groups you do not like you are skewing your data. Chances are most of your groups are not circular but in some pattern other than circular (the “any 3”) and drawing conclusions based on small numbers for SD is statistically wrong. If you shoot 7 groups of 3 and do not exclude any, 21 cumulatively is a better sampling but is still potentially inaccurate. If you look at it as 7 distinct groups and analyze that way, then your conclusions are likely not even close to reality.
I see people all the time making decisions based on goofy data analysis because they do not have any experience or training in statistical analysis. There is more involved than a formula.
Anyways, I was curious. Thanks for answering. Often people are confused because they sometimes do not duplicate previous results and come up with all kinds of rationalizations as to why that is. It is very common to follow a process, or acquire a new piece of gear then rationalize how much it helps without realistic supporting data. Too small sample sizes explains much. There are no powder “nodes” or any such voodoo that makes no sense.
There is an old saying: we see and accept that which supports our preconceived notions. You can witness that in politics extremely often. B people believe what they want to believe.
I just got the DAA primer pro collator. Man that thing makes it so easy. I was trying to trade it to a guy plus cash for his dillon primer filler before I even opened it but I have now started used it and it fills up the tubes so dang easy. Once you get down to like 10 or 15 primers it doesn't work as well but as long as you have anywhere from 20- 400 primers in it at a time, it will fill the tubes easily and quickly without touch it. Really cool and will be great for this primer as well
Interesting thoughts, while I may throw out a group I know was bad, because of my error, I use all the data, averaging so that I can see what is happening through the test. Cherry picking is the best way I know to really screw the works up. My point was one group, no matter how many shots are in it, cannot tell a pattern.
I may be different from most folks, but posting pretty pictures of one hole groups, is not for me. I want to hear steel go clang, after I cause the bang, or see the game animal go down after a short run with a properly placed shot creating as humane a kill as possible.
I wanted one of those until I figured out it won’t do large primers (or didn’t, when I was looking).
The primafill will do both sizes, and loads a tube in 15s or so, you just have to find the right angle (it’s with the tube way more horizontal than I would have guessed- maybe 15 degrees down).
Yeah that's true, it only does SRP. That's why I was going to get the dillon but I shoot mostly SRP and for anything I load a bunch of rounds for its all SRP. You'd think that DAA could easily make one for LRP though. Kind of weird they don't have thay ability, especially with how the hopper/bowl thing slides off of the unit. You could just swap em out...
What did I do in the reloading room. processed 6GT brass and made it ready to prime, charge and seat the bullets. Also loaded 9mm rounds for Brenda to practice with and mucked around a bit looking for a bipod that I removed from the RPR last fall.
As far as primer machines go, the old RCBS Automatic Primer Machine still works pretty good, but I have to remember to keep the shell holder very clean. I do need a new primer tube for the small primers. Been using it on and off since around 2000, so its getting a bit long in the tooth.
As far as primer machines go, the old RCBS Automatic Primer Machine still works pretty good, but I have to remember to keep the shell holder very clean. I do need a new primer tube for the small primers. Been using it on and off since around 2000, so its getting a bit long in the tooth.
I agree. Results matter. When you shoot you are part of the shooting system, like it or not.
Not sure I understand the part about not being able to see patterns, but if it is what I think, I agree also. The larger the sample size the better the aggregate data and the following analysis (ES, SD).
Sorry from the potato pics. Built this 10 years ago. 580lb steel work table with 8” square tube steel legs. Had to move it on metal tracks in the house to get it through. Used a winch to lower it down the stairs. Had to use an engine lift to get it in the air. Best work bench I’ve ever had. When you install pins or need to pound on something, the pins just.....go in.
I always wanted a U-shaped work space.
I always wanted a U-shaped work space.
Added an organizer wall awhile back . Just pegboard I painted with exterior paint, it’s holding up well.
Lookin’ good!! I am jealous of all these fine reloading rooms. I had to give mine up recently. We downsized from our house to an apt.
need some advice on reloading location. I have full access to my garage and half a bedroom that i can use. If i had to put some of my reloading equipment in the garage what would that be and about how much room do i need. I'd assume all the brass cleaning stuff stay in the garage and then when it comes to the actual prep take it inside.
I'm mostly just concerned with storing the stuff in the garage because of the fluctuation in temps in there. Its decent insulated but not great. if its cold outside its bareable and vice versa when its hot.
I wish i could make a complete dedicated reloading room. Maybe one day.
I'm mostly just concerned with storing the stuff in the garage because of the fluctuation in temps in there. Its decent insulated but not great. if its cold outside its bareable and vice versa when its hot.
I wish i could make a complete dedicated reloading room. Maybe one day.
Cleaning and tumble-polishing could be done in the garage.
I liked having my tumble-polisher near the reloading stations so I can vibrate powder to settle in cases for loads that are over 100% case fill a bit into the neck, but that might not be a concern for you.
I like having a logical flow-through set of process so that my picked-up brass goes into the tumble-polisher upon return from the range, so the garage might be an ideal location for that for you.
I liked having my tumble-polisher near the reloading stations so I can vibrate powder to settle in cases for loads that are over 100% case fill a bit into the neck, but that might not be a concern for you.
I like having a logical flow-through set of process so that my picked-up brass goes into the tumble-polisher upon return from the range, so the garage might be an ideal location for that for you.
Consider also what space would be the lowest air movement, which can have a negative effect on your scales.
Next would be personal comfort. You can always keep your powder and primers in a closet or in your bedroom in a drawer. That would keep your stuff in a more humidity controlled area. If you are reloading in a hot or very cold environment you may be tempted to rush the process. For me, reloading is like knitting for men. If I load 50 rounds in an evening that is being amazingly productive! LoL
Best place to get commercial steel door for interior room? Interested in putting one on my reloading room that im building.
You may be better off, to locate a commercial door company in your area. Those doors are crazy heavy and expensive to ship.
You might want to check on just ordering a vault door. You can get them and they are super cool to have on there and once you factor everything for a real steel door they aren't that much difference in price
Something like this?
Prosteel Ultra Security Door
West Coast Safes sells the Prosteel Ultra security door and displays a working vault room in our showroom. Check out the vault doors in our showroom.
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You would need to reinforce the entire room or someone with a bit a time can just bypass the door and go through the floor/ceiling/walls
No, thats far more than I am looking to spend. The walls will be lightly reinforced but more just looking to keep out the local meth head and not a team supplied with demo saws. Will also have a cam on the outside of the room that way local LE can be called if im away from the house.Something like this?
Prosteel Ultra Security Door
West Coast Safes sells the Prosteel Ultra security door and displays a working vault room in our showroom. Check out the vault doors in our showroom.
You would need to reinforce the entire room or someone with a bit a time can just bypass the door and go through the floor/ceiling/walls
A heavy wood door, which you can reinforce the door on the inside as well as reinforcing the doorframe is economical and quite effective. Add extra dead bolts. Just having one or so in the middle is not the best option. Two spaced above and one or two below the regular door bolt with the reinforced door frame will offer more resistance than all but the most determined people to break into. Using long screws to attach the door strikes into a reinforced door frame is a major improvement.
Take a look at these
Vault Doors - SnapSafe
Create your own safe room or enhance the security of any closet, room, or storm shelter with the SnapSafe® Vault Door.
3/4" ply, all of my paint is exterior , I used primer, Bright White and Red & Gray Porch paint.
Mentioning insulation while not a reloading topic and some asses may say something, if your doing insulating look at having the foam insulation sprayed in (Closed cell type). it is more expensive but I think it the long run it will pay for it self. I have a 7000 sq ft house insulated with it ;the heat above the first floor (second and third) is never on, the heat from the first floor does the whole house.
i discovered years ago the bigger the bench top the more crap it collects .the more room it takes up from the space in the room. a shelf 48'' long by 8'' mounted to the wall is more than enough to hold press and stuff needed to reload
I had shelves built into my bench, so under that solution I prefer a 28” deep bench. 48” is plenty length wise.
I certainly agree about a larger bench gathering more misc stuff LOL
I like having plenty of bench top myself. That said, I did ALL reloading everything on a Harbor freight work bench which is like 24" deep by about 60" long for several years so, a lot of bench definately isnt requires.
Finally went fully Gucci and got a zero press. I haven't used it yet but it's pretty nice. My Lyman is pretty sweet too though the priming/decapping is not good on the Lyman and the zero will be a big improvement for decaping.
Finally went fully Gucci and got a zero press. I haven't used it yet but it's pretty nice. My Lyman is pretty sweet too though the priming/decapping is not good on the Lyman and the zero will be a big improvement for decaping.
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Powered Case trimmer is close by .I have a rcbs powder dispenser but seldom use it.i found I was spilling more powder from moving the pan on an off the scale.so I just use the trickle spout to pore in them finish with the trickle. My scale is at eye hight on a shelf, no blending over to see the rcbs 5-10 balance beam
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I can smell mothballs when I look at this.
