Burris XTR Pro 🇺🇸
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Could have a switch barrel set up or switch scopes between rifles.
All backorders are shipping tomorrow. Everyone but the 1/4s (still haven't arrived) will have them before the end of the week.
Wow you really are obtuse.
Take a 143 eldx at 2650 FPS. It will gives you a 5.5-6.0 mph wind and a SDF of 1.9
Dial -1.9 or -2.0 depending on the environments and then your reticle mils will match the distance up to 750 yards. No math, no ballistic calculator, quick way to be within +/- 0.1-0.2 mils at different distances without having to look up your dope. If you set your zero stop to your SDF you can do it without looking.
Because there's a time for dialing and a time for holding over ?
Because a CDS dial doesn't account for different loads, different density altitude, different temperature affecting velocity ?
Because a fair amount of people own switch barrel rifles and use offsets for ?
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Hahaha. Got ya there buddy. That was fun.
Don't forget to take your Captopril...........you might have an aneurysm.
I look forward to a direct comparison between the new pro and Gen 3 razor. I'll say the Gen 3 is something to behold. Particularly, at the prices that can be had through certain Hide vendors.
It would be great to see these new Burris directly compete. I hope they do well, that new Razor is something else, but only allows .5 Mil below zero, so obviously a non starter for some professionals....haha
It would be great to see these new Burris directly compete. I hope they do well, that new Razor is something else, but only allows .5 Mil below zero, so obviously a non starter for some professionals....haha
ATACR can be set to whatever value you want below the zero setting provided that you are not maxed out. I have not tried to set it below -2 MILs from zero but I believe it can go further.
This is one of the handiest features of the ATACR, especially when using switch barrel rifles like an AI
Unless the pro got a major glass upgrade, gen3 will smoke it optically. I had 3 different xtr3s, really wanted to like them, but the glass in all 3 had the mid price Japanese heavy blue tint, turrets were stiff, mag ring stiff, seemed to take excessive tuning to get the ocular focus correct for parallax to be eliminated with both planes focused at multiple distances. My eyes just never agreed with the xtr3 system. We are all slightly optically different and will all see things a bit differently, good thing there are many pieces of glass to choose from. Next guy might love it, but for me, I should have sold them months ago, cuz Doug at cameraland destroyed the 2nd hand market. Shows you were the profit margin really was on these scopes.
Well, I learned something new tonight. That method really takes some mental gymnastics.
The PRO with the tool less reset should work good for this system. Pop the turret off and put it back on 1.9-2 mils high. Then dial back to zero. Bingo ready for hold overs in seconds.
Glad you got it. I'm too Obtuse..........man I really hate being insulted by Millenials
I'm sure the 3 will blow it away. Whenever I get my Cameraland Special.............I'll be sure to comment about the XTR 3. It's going to have a very hard time standing up to the new Bushnell XRS3..........which is by far and away, the best Jap glass I've looked through besides the New Gen 3 Razor.
Are we talking about the Gen3 that dropped for $3k then others were doing $2500?
Yes, i purchased both mine for cheaper than that. The 4k msrp is dumb, 3k is still too high. The gen3 better outperform the xtr pro just from the price point. Doesn't mean that it will though.
I have a J Allen chassis and love it....how do you like the new vertical grip you added?Last picture for the night. Gotta get ready to play in the snow tomorrow.View attachment 7820861
under the turret is a brass triangle.
Factory setting stops the turret at 0
Flip it over gives a -0.4
take it out and it can go down till turret hits. All scopes will be different here. Will not effect function.
added the 4
even switching barrels, which I do alot with all these divisions and weight classes popping up, having that .4 under has been plenty. if its more than .4, its super easy to loose quick detach turret and go up to 2 mils and tighten quickly without allens. I agree tho it sure is nice having the ability to dial below zero.
Regards
DT
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Congratulations to you and your son. Really enjoyed meeting you both at the Oklahoma match. Now I wish I would have spent some time behind your scope. I have a Minox in Germany getting repaired/replaced and am in the market for a replacement.
Good review. Super surprised there no battery or throw lever. Also surprised it fared so well against the Kahles. I have felt for along time Kahles has some of the best glass under the very top tier. Time will tell...
Glad it worked out at the match tho. Top 3's are awesome and very tough! Ive been telling people for years having your data on the turret makes for AT LEAST one extrra shot on tight times and helps keep focus and cheek weld.
I like to zero the turret at some number above 0 on any scope with a hard zero stop. that way it can be perfectly centered.
Still super weird it comes off on a couple numbers then comes back. Glad to see it didnt effect performance...now to check if mine do this.
I felt a xtr3 at a match the other day I was RO'ing and was shocked how much better the turrets, zoomz ring and clicks feel. I asked a burris guy whats the deal and they said they are getting better at making scopes. Glad to know. SImiliar to the XTR2 there were some early growing pains that seem to be stamped out. I hope the new illuminated ones dont have the same issues. The production ones are supposed to be coming in county verry soon. I guess I shouldnt say that as some people get upset if there isnt a hard date...lol.
As mentioned, and why I am glad the Pro comes with a typical black turret (albeit with LARGE numbers that I love) the target turret primarily is for competitions. That being said, what other type of shooting disciplines are there?
Hunting? Playing? 4H?
Wouldnt take much imagination to apply to all of those. Esp hunting. Make a turret as I show above the day before hunting, and another turret if ur worried about inclement weather to keep in pocket. even a 2000 - 4000 da change at 500 and under is negligable on a 12-18 inch kill zone...
I wish you were still local I would totally meet up and have a shoot off with all our scopes lol.
Regards
DT
That was a fun match. and the ZP5 is one of my favorite scopes as well. You will do well with it. But what happened? you dont hear of many of them going down.
See you around!
DT
I have two of the ZP5 and the one on my 223 wouldn't track. The one I used in Oklahoma on my 6.5 is doing fine, just not sure I will keep them both after the trouble I had with the one. I would give up a little in the glass quality department to get a more reliable scope with a faster warranty response. My first FFP scope was an XTRII 5-25 and it was a tank. Never had any issues.
The ATACR is more complicated. The ZS in my ATACRs is set differently.
There is a clutch plate when you remove the turret that sets the ZS. See photo from the manual.
It allows you to set it below zero to practically whatever you want.
Not debating about the amount you need. When I switch from 308 to 338 LM, I believe I need a little more than 0.4
I guess I just don't understand the problem here. Switch barrels, pop the turret off and adjust the zero. Replace turret. Shoot like a coked up ape.
I keep notes and laminated sheets with offsets from zero for the other calibers I use. Being able to adjust the turret below zero on the fly is super easy and doesn't require me removing and fumbling with the turret in the field which I would FUBAR without question
Im a little confused...you are dialing below zero in a match situation?
I agree I would never mess with turrets in the field/matches...only when zeroing.
and if you just mean notes when switching barrels I applaud your note taking skills I would lose that notebook in less than my second range trip lol.
I get for other calibers... but might ague the applicability as I switch from a light weight 6 br, super heavy comp contour 6br and a 6.5x47 and ive always been close enough to just loosed cap and rezero. sometimes even right on.
of course we could all stop being poors and buy more scopes lol.
ps I like your sig. I hope it happens sooner than later as I dont want my kids to have to deal with it. ha. selfish I know lol.
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I have no doubt, I have seen this with multiple manufacturers in the past, incremental upgrades through the lifecycle of the model and not much mentioned about them. I'm looking forward to seeing how Burris can improve upon my XTR III mag resistance, I have no doubt they will make it right.
ZCO got this right (large numbers) and as you mention on the Pro, I wish TT and even Vortex Gen III would have paid attention, lot of space on those beefy turrets with tiny little numbers only 18 year olds can read
Thanks for the tips on other uses, my brain needs help sometimes and now it makes more sense beyond stages at PRS, and birddog was right with regard to not worrying too much about the differences atmospheric changes will make with many of our modern day cartridges and bullets.
Me too Dorgan, wish we could have found time to shoot when I was out there. If you ever make it out to Altus let me know and I can meet you up there
Looking forward to getting my hands on a Pro at some point in the near future
No not in a match by any means but some places I get to shoot are not square range and I would hate to drop the turret or set screw in the field. Ask me how I know that...LOL
I do change calibers when out in the field and my 338 LM is a bit different than either 6.5 CM, 308 or 6mm Creedmoor. I don't worry about losing my data book as it is large and thick. I have many laminated cards on a bright neon green carabiner so hard to lose. If I lost that, well, time to get the shovel.
I have a few tier one scopes but more scopes mean more rifles. The reason I love my AI is one rifle, one position, one trigger...really helps the consistency. However, I am a scope whore and my latest thought is the new 8-40 ZCO or I may finally break down and buy a TT...not sure.
Thanks for the sig comment
Happy trails
Well guys, I put my money where my mouth is. I was seriously so impressed with big johns burris pro that I just sold my kahles tonight and will be ordering a pro tomorrow. Can’t wait to get more time with the pro!
I can’t wait for the next match to run them together lol. You are going to love the race dial. I gotta cut out to Oklahoma to pack up stuff at my old house so I will probably catch the Cheyenne or Laramie match.
I will give some more feedback. Obviously won’t be able to do a side to side again since im shipping the kahles out to its new owner today but I’m very excited to get more time with the pro and compare it to my xtr3 I got last week.
I’m waiting on my invoice for the pro as we speak from liberty optics, any one looking it’s worth a message or a call to liberty optics, I promise
I guess they sold out because I do not see a Burris XTR Pro listed on their website.....am I missing something?I will give some more feedback. Obviously won’t be able to do a side to side again since im shipping the kahles out to its new owner today but I’m very excited to get more time with the pro and compare it to my xtr3 I got last week.
I’m waiting on my invoice for the pro as we speak from liberty optics, any one looking it’s worth a message or a call to liberty optics, I promise
Might not have it set up on the site yet. Give them a call or shoot them a message.
Sam runs a ZCO in Cheyenne. I refused to look through it at the last match when I was running the strike eagle because I didn’t want to get glass envy. I’ll probably shoot that match again at the end of the month and compare them for fun. I know the ZCO should be better but I want to know how much better.I will give some more feedback. Obviously won’t be able to do a side to side again since im shipping the kahles out to its new owner today but I’m very excited to get more time with the pro and compare it to my xtr3 I got last week.
I’m waiting on my invoice for the pro as we speak from liberty optics, any one looking it’s worth a message or a call to liberty optics, I promise
I would like to look through a ZCO. I have looked through premiers, and Schmidt and benders. And honestly couldn’t justify the price. Glass really plays such a small roll in our style of shooting in my opinion. My friend was one of the top finisher in wyco last year shooting a tikka with an athlon Midas Tac. As long as it tracks well and glass is good enough to spot the impacts/misses that’s all you NEED. But nice glass is much more pleasant to use for sure.
ok so I played some more with the brass triangle.
on my 6.5x47 with 20 moa base and 100 yard zero
I have 21.3 mils of up to dial. that was cool to see. (IIRC I had very similar to that on my rimfire with a 50 yd zero)
pulling the triangle out, and pushing the turret all the way down gets me -.7 on my scope. I imagine it will be close with most rifles.
heres the catch I cant believe I didnt think of before, and what the tooless quick detach turret allows: if you loosen the throw lever and lift up the turret even a tiny bit, and re-tighten the throw lever, I instantly had 3 mils under I could dial.
So essentially it is a super easy super fast way to have as much under zero as you desire that you could use in a match situation or leave on all the time.
GL!
DT
on my 6.5x47 with 20 moa base and 100 yard zero
I have 21.3 mils of up to dial. that was cool to see. (IIRC I had very similar to that on my rimfire with a 50 yd zero)
pulling the triangle out, and pushing the turret all the way down gets me -.7 on my scope. I imagine it will be close with most rifles.
heres the catch I cant believe I didnt think of before, and what the tooless quick detach turret allows: if you loosen the throw lever and lift up the turret even a tiny bit, and re-tighten the throw lever, I instantly had 3 mils under I could dial.
So essentially it is a super easy super fast way to have as much under zero as you desire that you could use in a match situation or leave on all the time.
GL!
DT
I figured this was the case, but I didn't want to say anything until I had a chance to play with one.
I’ve looked through a first gen Premier when they first came out and a couple of S&Bs and the glass was indeed nice, not so much the price though. I totally agree with you that there is an acceptable level of glass to get the job done and the rest is just luxury. Nice equipment can help a small amount but it can’t replace determination, practice, or skill.
Ive had a couple premiers. sold because no warrenty. great scopes. have a TT. amazing. dont like the close clicks on the turrets tho. so glad the new PRO has wide spacing. looked though a pile of ZCO's and never owned one. Very nice scopes also. but that price tag. but 2-3 normal nice scopes makes it easy to not buy another again. and I only paid $3k fo my TT.
My best overall 308 finish in a match. Over 100 shooters. ive had 2 top 5's shooting a plain jane xtr2 with shitty glass
super excited the pro offers everything the xtr2 did in tracking PLUS glass, features, retc, etc etc.
as mentioned, there is no crutch for practice practice practice.
GL
DT
I would agree with your theory for certain. It is funny to see mid tier being correlated to a price between $1700-$2500. When you actually think about spending that kind of money on an optic and have it categorized as "mid-tier" is pretty amazing.
I am fortunate to be able to buy whatever I choose to buy. Once you have used tier one, and provided you are honest with yourself, you will have to admit that the image differences are asymptotic. Do I think that my ZCO is better than my S&B and NF ATACR , etc. I think it is but it took a while to really figure out how and why. I am not an image guy quite frankly because after working with optical systems in astronomy for many years, I truly believe that image aberrations are seldom noticeable by eye unless you have a damaged scope or it is really junk. Other than that, you need to do specific optical testing under controlled conditions to produce data that means anything and even then the question is how apparent will it be by eye. I think image "quality" is very personal and subjective.
I buy a scope and KEEP it provided that it arranges a perfect intersection of POA and POI under all conditions and elevation and windage settings. If it can't track...it isn't worth shit to me.
In all fairness, the kahles by far has the worst glass and optical package of all the premium brands. If it is slightly better than a 624, then its still pretty far behind the rest of the pack, including the G3 Razor. At 2K you are into used Minox, NF, March and even S&B prices.
I really liked the XTR3 and thought the glass was great for a $1K scope. For one pushing over the $2K mark, its tough sledding.
Add to the fact Burris can never produce more than a handful of these a week and people will just buy something else they can get now. I spend almost a year trying to get a 318 SCR2 before giving up and just getting another ZCO.
I am right there with you on the ATACR. To my eyes, the Gen 2 razors and many of the other LOW OEM optics look just as good if not better than the ATACR until you get into the 7-35. I still think the 624 and even 525 looks horrible for the price they fetch. Doesn't mean you can't win with them or hit the target, but If I am spending that kind of money, i want glass that is commensurate with it.
I wish Burris would ramp up their numbers. Its kind of a catch 22. I almost never see XTR at PRS matches. They are out there just not in the numbers that make people start to pay attention. The XTR3 IMO was the best bang for your buck optic from 1-1.5K and the glass put everything else in that region to shame. Thin reticle, but not a total deal breaker. Knurling was pretty aggressive but otherwise it was a banger at that price. The problem is no one knew about it. So few are out there, guys don't have a chance to look through one with their own eyes and realize its a really nice design for the money. They can make an amazing optic, but if they can't get them out there in enough numbers, its hard to get traction. I know a ton of guys getting into the rimfire game ect, and don't want to drop $4K on another scope. This is where something like the XTR despite the 50m focus, could really sell a ton of units. Lots of elevation, good glass and nice reticle for shooting small stuff like KYL/TYL.
Instead they will buy athalon and arken garbage because that's what they see other people using and don't realize for a bit more money they could have something significantly better. Sorry for the long winded rant, just something thats frustrating to see in real time.
tough to compare new prices to used prices...
I would take a pro over these scopes Ive owned (and used in matches) and only the minox, M7 and S&B is close overall:
kahles (sold), USO (sold), Minox (sold), NF (have), March (have), GenII (sold) M5 (sold) M7 (have) and S&B (sold) (old ones that can be had for under $3k) and Im not even sure yet the price on the GenIII. It looks promising but what cost? Lets compare used to used. Ive looked through and shot the Gen3 but didnt get to do a side by side. Promising but not at $3500. Get a ZCO 10/10 at that price (even tho their prices went up also)
Im obviously interested in more than just glass (cost & features) but the PRO has closed that glass gap thank goodness.
the $2k market is very tough sledding for sure and VERY good for us consumers. I think the pro will be at the bottom of the $2k market which none of the scopes above are in other than the Gen2 and M5 and the PRO blows them both away overall. The Gen2 at 1500 tho...very good option. Just hate the locking turret.
I dont expect everyone in PRS to start shooting the PRO but if keeping up with demand is the biggest concern for Burris...then they have a winner.
GL
DT
Extras are posted on the PX, price for yall is $2300 shipped, price for everyone else on here who hasn't been following the forum is listed. Again, I am paying taxes and shipping so the price would be the same or less as if you bought it in a store at MAP depending on state sales tax rate.
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