Rifle Scopes Burris XTR3!!!

I keep seeing these complaints about the XTR2 optical quality, but they don't match my experiences. The XTR2 and Veracity scopes I have/had were optically as good as anything near the 1k mark. Grantee, I understand some running changes were made to the XTR2 line and mine were fairly recent productions.

I put the XTR2 right in line with Bushy LRTS and Sightron S3 in average image quality; where each has slightly different strengths and weaknesses. I also put them a quarter step down from the XRS2, and a half step behind the Cronus BTR and XTR3.

The XTR3 also has some trade-offs. I haven't seen it mentioned, but mine does a poor job handling stray light/flare (w/o the sunshade); under conditions where a (no sunshade equiped) Cronus BTR had no issues.
There were some XTRIIs that made it out into the world with absurdly bad glass for a 1k. The ones i saw with really bad glass were the earliest production models when they still had 8 mil turrets.
 
What happened to the "to be unveiled" Nov 26th? With several good black Friday sales going on, granted with scopes that perhaps of slightly less quality, I for one don't know if I can wait past Fri/Sat to see just what this improved XTRIII is going to bring. I wouldn't be put off if the delivery/for sale is in January, but I am probably not alone in thinking the time has come, and don't continue to tease us. Perhaps @beetroot will make his 3 years to the day or wait longer.
 
Not making excuses for Burris, but i'm assuming they are having issues with material procurement. I see this get worse and worse daily in the construction world, so I imagine manufacturing is no better. The supply chain has been effed for some time and not going to correct anytime soon. Thanks Brandon.....
 
What happened to the "to be unveiled" Nov 26th? With several good black Friday sales going on, granted with scopes that perhaps of slightly less quality, I for one don't know if I can wait past Fri/Sat to see just what this improved XTRIII is going to bring. I wouldn't be put off if the delivery/for sale is in January, but I am probably not alone in thinking the time has come, and don't continue to tease us. Perhaps @beetroot will make his 3 years to the day or wait longer.
I've got everything all set for my party, we will be most displeased if Burris cut me short.
 
It wasn't by a Burris employee.
This is my point. Burris hasn't been stringing people along with illuminated models or "XTR3.5". Yet people are upset with Burris missing deadlines that they didn't make.We are taking rumors as facts. I was one of those people. Now I'll wait for official announcements.
We got a saying in Tennessee. I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me..... you can't get fooled again.
 
Interesting reading the input on the XRT III. I bought a XTR II, last year, at a great price, for a project. The problem is, the scope, optically, is terrible. I compared it to my Bushnell Elite Tactical, which I bought about the same time (for a different project) and its not even close. I took the XTR II back to the range, as I had to give it another chance, but....I took it back off and put the Elite back on. I'm in the market for another scope and while the XTR III is getting great reviews here, I'm very leery about buying one. Did I just get a bad one, or were the II's hit and miss?
I have a pair of the 3-15 XTR2's and one (8mil/rev) is poor optically, and the other one is wonderful. I also have a 4-20 that is just spectacular (very similar to my DMR 2) and a 5-25 that is maybe better than the 8mil/rev 3-15, but far worse than the other 3-15 and 4-20. My brother has 4 of the 5-25 and two are wonderful, one is decent and one is poor. I really believe that they vary greatly from unit to unit.
 
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Wow its been a crazy year. I went from being a scope snob

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/scope-snob-in-remission.6877345/

to selling everything and buying 2 new XTR2's with H59. This whole year as been fun competing with a scope that tracks phenomenal (what I rank #1 on the scope wish list) that happens to have the wurst glass in the world that you cant see the side of a barn with (what snipers hide ranks #1 on scope wish list) BUT to my great happiness, Burris has really stepped up and answered the call (admittingly I don't like the name just going up to "3" but I don't get to make any decisions regarding sweet names.. my model choice of "BASMF" got rejected...

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After a fantastic year of shooting, I was recently approached to spearhead the release of Burris new XTR3 at this years PRS finale.
Simple answer, if it tracks as good as the XTR2 I am in 100%. Now, the scope has landed. 3.3-18x50 and another scope with larger Mag range scope that hasn't been determined the zoom zoom yet but will be around 5-30 ish. They should be at shot and I have no idea on release dates. Im not an employee of Burris. Im now just a fanboy :LOL:
My day job is construction and my family lets me shoot like a ninja on the weekends ha...


Features on the 3.3-18
-Substantially Better Glass YAY!!
-Actually don't know how to explain this, but when looking through the scope, the scope almost disappears, ie the scope "shadow/ring" is very thin. Very cool feature I think.
-10 mil knobs (thank you for not going to 24 thousand clicks per rev. so annoying to clutter the clicks up.
-20 yard parallax
-adjustable zero stop
-locking diopertererer thingy lol
-Larger knobs easier to grab and rotate and SEE...(and also write on!!)
-KNOBS way more tactile than xtr. reminds me of NF or Gen2 rzr.
-oscillating hash marks (ticks) on knob
-set screws on back of elevation knob so you can actually see to get the allen wrench in to re=zero knob. huge pet peeve of mine lol.
-New SCR TREE rect. hashtag2yrslatetotheparty
-LArgest FOV in class- this number actually surprised me roughly 15' more fov at low power is crazy...FOV has become one of my favorite features in scopes in the last few years, so when Burris told me 40' I didn't believe them...until I looked through the scope. VERY noticeable.
some numbers
XTR3 = 40.3'-6.6''
XTR2 4-20 = 25.8' - 5.4'
USO 3-17 = 25.25' - 8.03'
Kahles 3-18 = 27.8" - 5.5'
Bushy LRHS 4.5-18 = 23.5' - 6'
Bushy DMR 3-21 = 25.3' - 5.1'
SWFA 3-15 = 34.78' - 7.21'
SWFA 5-20 = 20.1' - 5.1'
Leuppy MArk 5 3-18 = 28.3' - 5.8'
Steiner 3-15 = 36.0' - 7.3' (was surprised to see this as high as it is, but I guess it makes sense...)


SO, I will be shooting it this weekend at the PRS Finale. Come check it out. I am very excited to check out how sensitive the parallax knob is. My other high end scopes like S&B and Minox and Henny etc are kind of set the parallax in the middle and forget it. I hope this is like that. I ran my XTR2 at 400-500 yards almost exclusively. I hope this one isn't sensitive.

Ill give a better review after I put 300 rounds on it this week and at the Finale.

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As more than a few have mentioned, it is a VERY good time to be a scope consumer!


Regards,
DT
I have been shooting with the XTR III for about a year now. The glass is beautiful, the parallax is very sensitive, and the turrets let you know every click you make. I'm a casual shooter and let a salesman talk me into the XTR III after I complained about my Vortex Whatever. Ill never go back!
 
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I'm hoping Burris keeps this scope near the $1000 price point of the XTR II, that would make it sell like hot cakes, if they are trying to market as a DMR II PRO and put it towards the $1500 it will still sell but many will be deterred I think. My next biggest question is weight, if they kept it close to 30oz this will be another huge win, but if its closer to 35 then not so much. Finally, that FOV sounds too good to be true, the only other scope that's close (within a similar magnification range) is the Schmidt and Bender 3-20x50 with a comparative FOV of 39.0' - 6.3' @ 100yds to the XTR3 3.3-18x50 of 40.3' - 6.6' @ 100yds.

Well that would be disappointing, the XTR line has always been the "budget" line from Burris and maintained a price point near $1000, if what you say is true then that puts the XTR3 in a different marketplace from their traditional XTR line, it would have been better for Burris to market this as something different from XTR or go the route of Bushnell and call it the XTR Pro or something like that, but anytime I see "XTR" I think around $1k.
You are right about the $1000 price point but I still love my XTR III and am happy with what I paid for it. Call it XTR or anything else... I call it a great scope.
 
This is my point. Burris hasn't been stringing people along with illuminated models or "XTR3.5". Yet people are upset with Burris missing deadlines that they didn't make.We are taking rumors as facts. I was one of those people. Now I'll wait for official announcements.
We got a saying in Tennessee. I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me..... you can't get fooled again.
I'm not sure people are upset for missing deadlines as much as it's taken over two years to add illumination to a scope which isn't a exactly a difficult task. I've been very vocal about waiting for the illuminated models, I can't say I'm upset, just somewhat annoyed that adding illumination isn't a priority for them.

I'm more annoyed that there hasn't been another alternative option that has the same features as the Burris for the price point, lots have come close (NX8, Mark 5hd, Vortex LHT, Bushnell DMR3) but nothing that has been compeling enough to stop me waiting on the XTR3i.

Clearly this is a case of first world problems and I could easily go and buy one of the many other products that are close enough or pay considerably more for a SB 3-20 or ZCO 4-20, but I have plenty of free time to waste on the internet so this is something I can complain about to fill in my work day.
 
Myself, I'm very tempted, with Non-Determinant-Color Friday sales to pick up an Athlon ETR 3-18x50. Currently I have a 4.5-18 LRHT on a similar build so the ETR would be a nice holdover. And, if I finally get off my arse and get something like a BXR, it can be moved to that if the XTRIII illuminated ever makes it. Taking the reverse approach of cheaper than going more expensive like another Minox (for me).
 
I like that: Non-Determinant-Color Friday......my problem with buying a XTR III is simple: my experience with the XTR II has got me scope shy. The price for a XTR III is what? In the 1500 range....if I buy one and get an 'oops', I'm stuck with another scope. My XTR II may be sold, but... I took a gamble and ordered a Razor HD II and I'm gonna be REALLY PO'ed if its tomato stake like the XTR II.
 
I like that: Non-Determinant-Color Friday......my problem with buying a XTR III is simple: my experience with the XTR II has got me scope shy. The price for a XTR III is what? In the 1500 range....if I buy one and get an 'oops', I'm stuck with another scope. My XTR II may be sold, but... I took a gamble and ordered a Razor HD II and I'm gonna be REALLY PO'ed if its tomato stake like the XTR II.

Completely different animal. If you don't like it I'll buy it from you as long as it's 5.5-30 SCR2.
 
Well, what I'm going to do is wait for my Razor to get here and compare it to my 21 yr old PM II + a buddy's new Leupold MK 5 HD 7-35. I'd like to look at a XTR III....
 
I'm pleased to report my 3 year aniversary went well, had to go to work in the evening which was a bit of a bummer but I didn't work very hard so wasn't too dreadful.

I'm now looking forward to be disappointed in January when the XTR3QI++ isn't released at shot show.

The exchange rate looks to being turning to crap again anyway, hopefully the economy will pick up again the middle of next year ready for a 2022 thanks givng release.
 
I'm pleased to report my 3 year aniversary went well, had to go to work in the evening which was a bit of a bummer but I didn't work very hard so wasn't too dreadful.

I'm now looking forward to be disappointed in January when the XTR3QI++ isn't released at shot show.

The exchange rate looks to being turning to crap again anyway, hopefully the economy will pick up again the middle of next year ready for a 2022 thanks givng release.
XTR3LGBTQ+ is to be released at the AVS awards, not the SHOT show.
 
Brownells has them marked as "no longer deliverable"

I was told the skew or whatever that number is, will be changing. More clarification on the new changes to be announced this month (I was told). Along with the long coveted illumination and the xtr lgbtlmnop lol.

If anyone is going to the competition dynamics match next weekend you can see a pretty cool prototype on a couple competitors rifles...going to be a great field match.


Regards
DT
 
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It’s 1503 here. Great price and it’s showing in stock. I debated on getting on but decided on the Nightforce ATACR 7-35 here in the PX. I wanted the illumination and got tired of waiting on the XTR III illuminated version.

Unfortunately not the SCR2. Planning to sell my ZCO 527 in the PX and buy 2 more XTR3 to have the same scope/ret on 4 rifles. Might as well wait until the new models are out though...
 
Unfortunately not the SCR2. Planning to sell my ZCO 527 in the PX and buy 2 more XTR3 to have the same scope/ret on 4 rifles. Might as well wait until the new models are out though...
They had the SCR2 last week but yeah. It’s sold out now. I took a photo of the scope in my cart and sent it to my brother as I was debating last week. Ended up with the Nightforce. It was 1530 instead of 1503.
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@D_TROS can you say are they changing anything in the reticle?

I was at a match and saw a scope and there DEFINITELY will be a new reticle release. just reporting on things ive seen! ha

As to when information will be released I dont know. I know prototypes are being used at matches right now because Ive seen them.

I commend Burris for not announcing a date and trying to meet it. All I can say is I am duly impressed.

Regards
DT
 
I was at a match and saw a scope and there DEFINITELY will be a new reticle release. just reporting on things ive seen! ha

As to when information will be released I dont know. I know prototypes are being used at matches right now because Ive seen them.

I commend Burris for not announcing a date and trying to meet it. All I can say is I am duly impressed.

Regards
DT
Is the new reticle just for the illuminated version?
Is the new reticle completely different than the SCR2 or a somewhat modified version?
 
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I like that: Non-Determinant-Color Friday......my problem with buying a XTR III is simple: my experience with the XTR II has got me scope shy. The price for a XTR III is what? In the 1500 range....if I buy one and get an 'oops', I'm stuck with another scope. My XTR II may be sold, but... I took a gamble and ordered a Razor HD II and I'm gonna be REALLY PO'ed if its tomato stake like the XTR II.
The Razor is good and much better than the XTR II. You will, however, regret the Razor if you spend some time with an XTR III. Just my opinion.
 
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Is the new reticle just for the illuminated version?
Is the new reticle completely different than the SCR2 or a somewhat modified version?

Illum will be avail with all retc...as far as I understand. And there is a completely new retc coming out. As well as the tremor retc being offered.


IF...I could look through one prior to plunking down my cash.....

Where are you located?
 
Im in Eureka....about 275 miles north os SF.

@TheHebrewHammer is doing some deals on the "old" models. PM him for pricing.

@D_TROS and others who've seen stuff / are in the know... From what was said before, the SCR2 Mil ret was supposedly too thin to make illuminated, and would be thicker in the illuminated model. Can you or someone else re-confirm this? If they are illuminating the current SCR2 Mil, I might want to pay for that, but if it's thicker, I probably want more of the old ones before they're gone.

Secondly, was mulling the thermal clip-on, but can't find the adapters anywhere... is this in the pipe along with these new scopes?
 
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My suspicions of my Vortex Strike Eagle rang true recently. Apparently something was wrong internally causing image issues and my tracking shit the bed at a recent Guardian match. I'm waiting on a repair and info from Vortex but am off the fence and definitely getting a new primary optic. Should I be waiting for whatever is in the works with the XTR3?

I'm in no urgent need since it's the off season and I missed Black Friday deals. I just want reliable at this point and best I can tell the 3-18x is a solid upgrade in it's current state even.
 
I may have made a mistake being impatient. I got a really good deal on an Athlon Ares ETR but ran into an XTR3 with the SCR2 reticle for a very good price. Is the Athlon even remotely close in quality?

I'm coming from a Strike Eagle so both I'm sure are a huge step up but I think I may have made a poor choice.