The new XTR III and the new pro are illuminated. The prices have gone down on the XTR III while the quality has gone up, the PRO model is in a whole other ball park. Pro will ship late March.
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Are the XTR 2's being revamped as well?
Are you getting both new XTR3's and the razor G3? I'd like to see them compared.Margins for optics manufacturers has always been insane.
Burris is dropping a new optic tomorrow that will be a better comparison to the G3Are you getting both new XTR3's and the razor G3? I'd like to see them compared.
If that is the case what does the XTR3 compare against?Burris is dropping a new optic tomorrow that will be a better comparison to the G3
Hope the costs isn't going to be giraffe pussy like the G3.Burris is dropping a new optic tomorrow that will be a better comparison to the G3
No, I think the number i heard seems pretty fair. And well below the G3.Hope the costs isn't going to be giraffe pussy like the G3.
Blame the consumers who don't know the difference between warranty and end-user abuse. Companies have to work in a scope's replacement cost into the initial priceEither there's waaayyy too much margin in this industry, or it's being run by idiots.
Blame the consumers who don't know the difference between warranty and end-user abuse. Companies have to work in a scope's replacement cost into the initial price
Ours is still 5.5-30.View attachment 7782864
I couldn't help myself...
But seriously, assuming the new XTR III is a 6-36, the G3 Razor's price feels out of place. With Burris and Bushnell's offerings, I'm surprised they launched it at such a high price point.
Mil or MOA?I have some 3.3-18x SCR2 XTRIII that I will sell bare scopes for $1200. They have excellent glass at that price.
Doesn't even have to be illuminated, just a thicker reticle IMO.Nothing else interests me other than the 3-18 being illuminated. I think that scope with illumination is the LR hunting scope to buy. Will be looking into this for the future.
Here we go!!
I love huge turrets. If there's anything I wasn't in love with for the XTR III it was that the turrets seemed smallish to me.2 things;
- That turret looks bloody huge.
-Removing the turret just to write on it is a very subtle flex.....
Doesn't even have to be illuminated, just a thicker reticle IMO.
So the glass is imporved in the XTR Pro it seems?
I hope they clear all this up in the offical launch as I have no idea what is happening with/to this XTR 3 line.
You're gonna love these.I love huge turrets. If there's anything I wasn't in love with for the XTR III it was that the turrets seemed smallish to me.
The new XTR3s are illuminated.I need it illuminated. I got bit on a hunt with a NF ATACR 5-25 that didn't have illumination on a trophy whitetail in KY. Swore I'd never hunt again without illumination. I could see the deer, but couldn't see the reticle.
Here we go!!
This does not.Assuming it doesn’t have locking elevation turret?
I've lost time by accidentally locking my turret on the last dial and then wondering what's happened? Why I can't turn my turret to the next target? I hate locking turrets. They are the worstThis does not.
And I can't speak to Burris' opinion on this matter, so this is strictly IMHO, but locking elevation turrets are a cure for a problem that never existed.
You should always check your dope on an exposed turret before taking a shot, any shot. And Lord knows I've certainly forgotten to dial on a stage or two. I'm preaching to myself
Having said that, I dont know anyone who missed a shot in hunting or competition from a bumped elevation turret.
Once burnt twice shy, until the legit release I'm staying skeptical.
Capped windage and exposed elevation is definitely the way to go.I've lost time by accidentally locking my turret on the last dial and then wondering what's happened? Why I can't turn my turret to the next target? I hate locking turrets. They are the worst
I 95% agree but would prefer a thicker non illuminated reticle than a super thin one with illumination.I need it illuminated. I got bit on a hunt with a NF ATACR 5-25 that didn't have illumination on a trophy whitetail in KY. Swore I'd never hunt again without illumination. I could see the deer, but couldn't see the reticle.
Absolutely. My biggest complaint is not a heavy enough reticle for hunting. Burris needs to step up on that one because nobody else will. A mil-quad is close, just needs a little thickening where it matters. If you hunt woods to open 600 yard fields you know what I’m talking about.I 95% agree but would prefer a thicker non illuminated reticle than a super thin one with illumination.
I find a thicker reticle (on the 3.3-18 atleast) will be useful more often than illumination is.
But agree in those times when you need illumination, you need illumination.
.05mil wouldn't be too thick and well usable on 3.3xThat 3-18 needs a reticle that’s .04 to .05 mils thick IMO.
I get how frustrating that must have been.. The only scope I ever broke in competition was a MK8 CQBSS 1-8. Came in a little fast on a dump box in a 3 gun match and it busted the pinch to move locking turrets. I had to hold under the rest of the day and swap it out for day 2.I've lost time by accidentally locking my turret on the last dial and then wondering what's happened? Why I can't turn my turret to the next target? I hate locking turrets. They are the worst
I heard the same thing. I think that's solid info.dont quote me but the XTR3 will not be avail without illum moving forward. AND there will be a price drop.
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The SCR is a good hunting reticle. I've used it for 8 years now on hunting rifles.Absolutely. My biggest complaint is not a heavy enough reticle for hunting. Burris needs to step up on that one because nobody else will. A mil-quad is close, just needs a little thickening where it matters. If you hunt woods to open 600 yard fields you know what I’m talking about.
I‘m never off of 6x on 300 yards and in and only on 10-12 at 600 when hunting, I like a wide FOV to watch reactions. 2 weeks ago I had my AR with an XTRII 4-20 G2B (I think) and had to go to 10x at 310 yards because it’s a bit thin. I didn’t have time to turn on illumination, something about 2 orange blobs moving around for position. Plenty of light, just thin reticles.
Thanks for the feedback fellas. I'll be sure to reach out after Shot and see if I can narrow down the list of retailers who managed to get their hands on some.
Yes, in an illuminated model..Pretty sure an xtr3 5.5-30x56 is my next optic purchase. Is this still a possibility?
There are quite a few of the XTR Pro already produced. They are up for sale for retailers.so even once released I'm guessing these new models are going to be unobtainium for months and months correct?
It's $500 over the original price of the Gen II and almost a decade later I'm not really sure where the disconnect is other than people thinking Vortex's high end products have some astronomical failure rate, and that as a company they shouldn't even look at the high end market, which is becoming a fad at this point it seems. I digress though.I couldn't help myself...
But seriously, assuming the new XTR III is a 6-36, the G3 Razor's price feels out of place. With Burris and Bushnell's offerings, I'm surprised they launched it at such a high price point.
Yes, that's fairly accurate. Its 5.5-30×56. Still made in Colorado using the same tube as the XTRIII, but it starts getting better from there.The new XTR appears to be 5.5-30, less X-ring's video is of something else? Seems to be a further iteration of the XTRIII?
Will there be a pro version of the 3.3-18?Yes, that's fairly accurate. Its 5.5-30×56. Still made in Colorado using the same tube as the XTRIII, but it starts getting better from there.
The glass is upgraded, 3 reticle options, toollless zero, red or green illumination, quick swap turrets, low $2k MAP.
Based on what I've heard so far, I dont think so. The 18x illuminated XTR3 is still in production for that magnification range.Will there be a pro version of the 3.3-18?
I dont know that yet. But I will be trying to find out.What vendors will have them first?