Rifle Scopes Burris XTR3!!!

[Rimfiremike]

Very interested to see an XTR III in the flesh. I liked the XTR II enough to buy one, but after living with it for a while, a lot of the things mentioned in this thread led to me eventually selling it. (milky glass, CA, weak illumination, clicks not as tactile as I would like)
It sounds like they have really listened and addressed all these items and a few more.
Really hoping to see them keep the price as low as possible. If it's as good as it sounds it might be, and a street price of near 1300-ish, I'd be all over it. If the street price is closer to the 1800-2000 range, there is a lot of competition there. There are getting to be enough good scopes in 1k to 1300 range that it's hard to justify spending the extra.
But, will have to wait and see when they show up...

 

[Broc]

Somewhere in this thread someone mentioned MSRP. IIRC it was around $1700-$1800 which puts it in the $1500 range. I'm sure that is subject to change though.

 

[Bender]

Does the XTR 3 have a zero stop?

 

[Rutter]

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Sorry for asking a simple question Bender. Since you are so educated, please lay it all out on the table for us. Exactly the clarity compared to other scopes. , plus all it’s bells and whistles. That way we can just kill this thread all together, cause you can answer all or questions in one simple little post. Please tell us oh great creator.

 

[Bender]

Sorry for asking a simple question Bender. Since you are so educated, please lay it all out on the table for us. Exactly the clarity compared to other scopes. , plus all it’s bells and whistles. That way we can just kill this thread all together, cause you can answer all or questions in one simple little post. Please tell us oh great creator.

Ok, I’ll type slow....

If the XTR II has a zero stop, what do you think the chances are that the new ~$1800 flagship scope focused on LR competitive shooting having one as well?

No hurry. You can get back to me in a few weeks.

 

[Rutter]

Ok, I’ll type slow....

If the XTR II has a zero stop, what do you think the chances are that the new ~$1800 flagship scope focused on LR competitive shooting having one as well?

No hurry. You can get back to me in a few weeks.

Like I said it was a simple question. I don’t live my life around Burris or any other particular scope. Maybe you should look into your crystal ball and tell us the price plus availability. No need for you to be a dick. A little curtesy goes along way. Sorry for being new to this. Maybe you can come to my place and give me a couple free lessons to get me caught up to speed. That way I won’t bother you with such silly questions. Like I said sorry for being new. I thought these threads were here to learn from. Not to get bashed on.

 

[Bender]

Like I said it was a simple question. I don’t live my life around Burris or any other particular scope. Maybe you should look into your crystal ball and tell us the price plus availability. No need for you to be a dick. A little curtesy goes along way. Sorry for being new to this. Maybe you can come to my place and give me a couple free lessons to get me caught up to speed. That way I won’t bother you with such silly questions. Like I said sorry for being new. I thought these threads were here to learn from. Not to get bashed on.

Some light reading or understanding what your asking might help. Grow some thick skin and stick around. Wealth of knowledge here. Just lighten up Francis. Lol

 

[beetroot]

Ok, I’ll type slow....

If the XTR II has a zero stop, what do you think the chances are that the new ~$1800 flagship scope focused on LR competitive shooting having one as well?

No hurry. You can get back to me in a few weeks.

Hi bender, you seem to know a bit about this scope.
The ritical sounds like it's Mil dots which is cool but ive not read if the turrets are Moa or inch per hundred yards. Could you plz advice?
Thanks

 

[Bender]

Hi bender, you seem to know a bit about this scope.
The ritical sounds like it's Mil dots which is cool but ive not read if the turrets are Moa or inch per hundred yards. Could you plz advice?
Thanks

I’m gunna go with my gut and shoot from the hip, I’m guessing that if it has a Mil reticle that it will have Mil turrets.

 

[1J04]

@Bender Is it ok to park your XTR II next to your HD5 Conquest ? I've heard Mils and MOA's don't get along. And I like to touch myself. Maybe I should have PM'd that part...............

 

[Bender]

I think I’m getting trolled....

 

[Veer_G]

Hi bender, you seem to know a bit about this scope.
The ritical sounds like it's Mil dots which is cool but ive not read if the turrets are Moa or inch per hundred yards. Could you plz advice?
Thanks

It's critical that you correct ritical ; it's reticle, like testicle, unless an accident of nature has left you without access to first-hand empirical evidence.

 

[Qazwsx]

I with there was a milling .1 section on the vertical axis since most ppl mil vertically not in width. Unless im misreading the use of the horizontal lines

 

[Bender]

It's critical that you correct ritical ; it's reticle, like testicle, unless an accident of nature has left you without access to first-hand empirical evidence.

Grammar Sikh has spoken....

 

[Subwrx300]

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Bender, if you don't include at least one Futurama gif and quote in EVERY SINGLE post from this day forward, we can no longer be vague internet forum aquaintences!

Lol.

 

[Gtscotty]

This thread has me pretty excited for the XTR III, and the possiblity that Burris might one-day bless the XTR II with the SCR2 reticle for Poors like me.

I will say, I have a set of the Burris signature rings, and the jury is still out on them for me. It's neat that you can put in inserts with different levels of cant, but the total cant never seems to line up with my calculations and my latest mounting wound up 3 mils off on windage when the last rings I used with that rifle (also Burris, but without the inserts) were very close as mounted. It was also kind of a pain to get my scope orientation and eye relief fine tuned with the inserts grabbing the scope with every adjustment I made. I got it sorted out, but it sure did seem like a lot of extra effort for new and improved.

 

[Swamplord]

Def would like to get my hands on at least one of the first run 3.3-18x XTRlll scopes asap, really liked the 3-15x XTRll I got back in 2015 for my daughters moose hunt on my 300 Norma P'Imp, ended up getting rid of half dozen "awesome warrany" scopes in favor of the XTRll, pretty much used it exclusively for all my hunting in Alaska perched on my 338 Norma P'Imp since, got some nice meese along the way, the XTRlll sounds like it will work great with the new wilddog (yes it's gonna be mean) build in progress, question is ... how do I get one without going to the Shot Show ? is there a pre-order list thingy I can get on ?

BTW, I don't mind the Burris XTRlll moniker, Burris XXX woulda been cool too and the Burris PRO has a nice ring to it as well, lmao

Pro.....

 

[flynbye]

I got a good deal on the xtr2 so I jumped on it and for the most part I have been happy with it. I wouldn’t mind see one in person but will not be going in on the first batch.

 

[Birddog6424]

Def would like to get my hands on at least one of the first run 3.3-18x XTRlll scopes asap, really liked the 3-15x XTRll I got back in 2015 for my daughters moose hunt on my 300 Norma P'Imp, ended up getting rid of half dozen "awesome warrany" scopes in favor of the XTRll, pretty much used it exclusively for all my hunting in Alaska perched on my 338 Norma P'Imp since, got some nice meese along the way, the XTRlll sounds like it will work great with the new wilddog (yes it's gonna be mean) build in progress, question is ... how do I get one without going to the Shot Show ? is there a pre-order list thingy I can get on ?

BTW, I don't mind the Burris XTRlll moniker, Burris XXX woulda been cool too and the Burris PRO has a nice ring to it as well, lmao

Pro.....

Nice moose!!

You wont have to go to Shot to get the new scope. They will be taking vendor orders at Shot, no money and scopes changing hands. So hunt down a vendor and see if they are getting their hands on one.

Check with some of the fellas here on the Hide.

 

[badassgunworks]

Nice moose!!

You wont have to go to Shot to get the new scope. They will be taking vendor orders at Shot, no money and scopes changing hands. So hunt down a vendor and see if they are getting their hands on one.

Check with some of the fellas here on the Hide.

I will do the pre order at the show for Swamplord

 

[badassgunworks]

Does the XTR 3 have a zero stop?

yes just like the xtr2

 

[GeoffatBurris]

BTW, I don't mind the Burris XTRlll moniker, Burris XXX woulda been cool too and the Burris PRO has a nice ring to it as well, lmao

Pro.....

Hey, stop trying to do our marketing. I don't go down to where you work and kick the .... um, never mind.
Actually, the Burris Triple X is a good name. But knowing Burris, we'd soon have the Burris XXX 2, or the Burris Quad X, or X-cubed or something. Gotta plan for the future!

 

[MarkLeupold]

Hey, stop trying to do our marketing. I don't go down to where you work and kick the .... um, never mind.
Actually, the Burris Triple X is a good name. But knowing Burris, we'd soon have the Burris XXX 2, or the Burris Quad X, or X-cubed or something. Gotta plan for the future!

Is this going to be the iPhone of the PRS world?

"Introducing the Burris XTR VII, new for 2035!!!"

 

[Bender]

Hey, stop trying to do our marketing. I don't go down to where you work and kick the .... um, never mind.
Actually, the Burris Triple X is a good name. But knowing Burris, we'd soon have the Burris XXX 2, or the Burris Quad X, or X-cubed or something. Gotta plan for the future!

How about a fixed 12x with the new reticle? I’d be all over it like Cosby on the unconscious!

 

[want2ride]

I am interested in two, one for me and one for my brother in law. I can't wait to get one!

 

[Wormydog1724]

I have the Burris XTR-II in the 3-15x SCR mrad flavor. I really really do like it. The 18x of the XTR-III is going to be tits.

I've been thinking of swapping out my 6.8 SPC coyote rifle optic from Trijicon TR20-2 to a Burris but find their offerings there not quite what I'm after, the Droptine, Predator Quest, E1, MSR, FF2, Veracity.. None of them are quite there for me. My ideal coyote optic would be a 2-12x50, 1" tube, light weight, capped turrets, a fine reticle with an open middle dot or a SCR-type floating cross, maybe a side adjust parallax if necessary to have one, second focal plane, maybe have just the middle dot/cross of the crosshair illuminated but to be honest I'd forgo the illumination to save weight, also have the magnification ring with a built in throw lever, or at least offer a factory add on throw lever. The E1 4.5-14x42 is about the closest thing but still doesn't have everything I'm looking for, and 4.5x is a little too much on the low end for my type of calling.

 

[D_TROS]

I with there was a milling .1 section on the vertical axis since most ppl mil vertically not in width. Unless im misreading the use of the horizontal lines

People usually mil the widest part of the target. Regardless, the mil section can be used in both ways. The .1 mil line is .1 tall. The .2 mil line is .2 tall. The .3 mil line is .3 tall. etc etc. This will allow quick checking for height or width, and honestly the coolest feature of the whole retc. They also alternate up/dwn so you can quickly count which line you are one (something I struggled with on other milling retc.)

Super excited to actually see one in a scope.

DT

 

[Swamplord]

Hey, stop trying to do our marketing. I don't go down to where you work and kick the .... um, never mind.
Actually, the Burris Triple X is a good name. But knowing Burris, we'd soon have the Burris XXX 2, or the Burris Quad X, or X-cubed or something. Gotta plan for the future!

I'll make you a deal .... I'll back off and let you handle the marketing.... on one condition... lol ! send me one of the scopes for review and testing on my new wildcat, spring black and brown bear, then fall moose hunts in Alaska, If I like the scope I'll buy it and if not I keep it anyway, lmao

those are my terms , what say ye ?

my daugher (16 at the time) broke in and bloodied the 300 Long Range Hunter (300 Norma Mag Imp) and the 3-15x XTRll back in Dec. 23 2015 on a cow moose she drew a tag for, 3150 fps with a 236 gr bullet seemed to work ok

 

[DJL2]

Good lord...236 grains at 3150 fps should serve for...well...pretty much anything in North America without difficulty and more or less everything else besides, though I understand folks go bigger for stuff liable to kill them back. Just the thought of touching that off makes my shoulder hurt. 7mm Rem Mag / .30-06 and around 9-10 lbs is about where my comfort level stops. Good shooting!

 

[badassgunworks]

Good lord...236 grains at 3150 fps should serve for...well...pretty much anything in North America without difficulty and more or less everything else besides, though I understand folks go bigger for stuff liable to kill them back. Just the thought of touching that off makes my shoulder hurt. 7mm Rem Mag / .30-06 and around 9-10 lbs is about where my comfort level stops. Good shooting!

with a quality brake its no worse then a 243

 

[Birddog6424]

with a quality brake its no worse then a 243

Definitely!

I have a 300 Norma mag pushing 230gr Hybrids at 3050fps from a 12lb rifle. That's 92.6grs of Reloder 33. I shot 60 rounds through one day wearing a tshirt. No issues.

A good brake is amazing..

 

[Glassaholic]

Definitely!

I have a 300 Norma mag pushing 230gr Hybrids at 3050fps from a 12lb rifle. That's 92.6grs of Reloder 33. I shot 60 rounds through one day wearing a tshirt. No issues.

A good brake is amazing..

Ooof, that's a beast! Been eyeing the 300NM for a while, but it's overkill for everything I would hunt, it does have appeal for ELR should I ever decide to get into that, for now my 7SAUM does everything I could ever want and then some, heck, even my 6.5 Creedmoor can take down pretty big game, the Swede's have been taking big Moose with similar 6.5's (6.5x55 Mauser) for years!

Back to the thread topic, any idea when Burris will update their website with official specs on the XTR III?

 

[badassgunworks]

yes a

Ooof, that's a beast! Been eyeing the 300NM for a while, but it's overkill for everything I would hunt, it does have appeal for ELR should I ever decide to get into that, for now my 7SAUM does everything I could ever want and then some, heck, even my 6.5 Creedmoor can take down pretty big game, the Swede's have been taking big Moose with similar 6.5's (6.5x55 Mauser) for years!

Back to the thread topic, any idea when Burris will update their website with official specs on the XTR III?

after its introduced at the shot show

 

[Birddog6424]

Ooof, that's a beast! Been eyeing the 300NM for a while, but it's overkill for everything I would hunt, it does have appeal for ELR should I ever decide to get into that, for now my 7SAUM does everything I could ever want and then some, heck, even my 6.5 Creedmoor can take down pretty big game, the Swede's have been taking big Moose with similar 6.5's (6.5x55 Mauser) for years!

Back to the thread topic, any idea when Burris will update their website with official specs on the XTR III?

The 7SAUM and 6.5 Creed are fantastic cartridges. More than capable of taking anything in the lower 48.

I built the 300 as my elk rifle and ELR toy. It's an excellent round. A hell of a lot of fun to play with.

I suspect we will see website updates in the spring. I remember it took a little time to get everything updated when the XTR II came out.

I'm excited to get my hands on these and play with them at Shot.

 

[Swamplord]

The cartridge on the far right is why I need the new Burris XTR lll

 

[koshkin]

Ooof, that's a beast! Been eyeing the 300NM for a while, but it's overkill for everything I would hunt, it does have appeal for ELR should I ever decide to get into that, for now my 7SAUM does everything I could ever want and then some, heck, even my 6.5 Creedmoor can take down pretty big game, the Swede's have been taking big Moose with similar 6.5's (6.5x55 Mauser) for years!

Back to the thread topic, any idea when Burris will update their website with official specs on the XTR III?

I think I have the official specs somewhere here. Anything specific you are interested in?

ILya

 

[Glassaholic]

I think I have the official specs somewhere here. Anything specific you are interested in?

ILya

Been trying to gather all I can from this thread, this is what I have so far, just trying to fill in some of the gaps

EDIT: Found more/better information and updated the image.

 

[Just Macca]

Been trying to gather all I can from this thread, this is what I have so far, just trying to fill in some of the gaps

WJM again with the awesome data.

 

[beetroot]

Been trying to gather all I can from this thread, this is what I have so far, just trying to fill in some of the gaps

EDIT: Found more/better information and updated the image.

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Thanks WJM it's great to finally see some specs.
Where did you get these specs from may I ask?

I'm glad to see another new scope that weights under 30oz, good to see some alternatives to the AMG and MK5hd.
Those FOV specs are pretty phenomenal, I hope the eye box is super forgiving to suit!

Looking forward to seeing some reviews and videos of these in hand, as I'm doubtful I'll get to see one for myself unless I buy one.
Waiting for a confirmed price also, as I'm feeling like this may be the scope I've been waiting for.
Funnily enough I've had great experience with Burris scopes, I have a Full Field 2 and a C4 both which I love (obviously not comparable to this scope), but the XTR II range didn't do much for me so I haven't given them a look in.

 

[Birddog6424]

I initially heard the weight was a few ounces lighter than what you have listed Bill.

I'm going to wait till I get my hands on a production model to see what it comes in at.

 

[koshkin]

I initially heard the weight was a few ounces lighter than what you have listed Bill.

I'm going to wait till I get my hands on a production model to see what it comes in at.

That is the official data from Burris. I've had my hands full lately, so I forwarded the data to Bill for his table.

It is in Burris catalogue that they will publish for SHOT.

ILya

 

[Glassaholic]

Thanks WJM it's great to finally see some specs.
Where did you get these specs from may I ask?

I'm glad to see another new scope that weights under 30oz, good to see some alternatives to the AMG and MK5hd.
Those FOV specs are pretty phenomenal, I hope the eye box is super forgiving to suit!

Looking forward to seeing some reviews and videos of these in hand, as I'm doubtful I'll get to see one for myself unless I buy one.
Waiting for a confirmed price also, as I'm feeling like this may be the scope I've been waiting for.
Funnily enough I've had great experience with Burris scopes, I have a Full Field 2 and a C4 both which I love (obviously not comparable to this scope), but the XTR II range didn't do much for me so I haven't given them a look in.

Information is from Burris.
I agree beet, it is nice to see more < 30oz offerings and great to see Burris join the Ultra Short game. Like Leupold claimed with their Mark 5HD line, they learned a lot from the shortcomings of the Mark 6, I believe Burris has done the same with the XTR III, it definitely appears that they have learned from the XTR II shortcomings (of which there are few at its price point) and the XTR III will be even better - claimed better glass, lighter weight, better eyebox, wider FOV, a new .2 mil tree reticle. ILya has seen them in person and said it looked impressive and @D_TROS has shot with a pre-production model and apparently loves it so it seems like the real deal.

I'm also curious to find out about the turret feature called "Race Dial" intended for PRS and NRL shooters.

 

[Birddog6424]

Sounds official then...

I got some of the skinny on Race Dial (didnt know they were calling it that) it sounds very cool. I dont know how much info they have released on it so far.

 

[Glassaholic]

Sounds official then...

I got some of the skinny on Race Dial (didnt know they were calling it that) it sounds very cool. I dont know how much info they have released on it so far.

I wonder if @D_TROS had that feature on his version and can elaborate

 

[D_TROS]

The scope I used did not have this feature (also didn't know they were calling it a race dial). It is the reason the knobs are as tall as they are. What will happen is there will be plenty of room above the numbers to put tape of your rifles data on. Ie custom BDC knobs as well as room to write on with wet erase markers for things like target identifiers and wind data. A super cool feature. I have a pic somewere of the XTR3 I will see if I can find it. Its the reason all my scopes have colored tape on the turrets, Burris is just making the knobs so I wont have to use tape (unless I want to)

It is also super nice as you can just write the existing numbers on so they are easier to see for fast dialing (what I do if I don't do BDC knobs) and then cover with std scotch tape (the actual item used to determine the height)

Regards,
DT

 

[beetroot]

The scope I used did not have this feature (also didn't know they were calling it a race dial). It is the reason the knobs are as tall as they are. What will happen is there will be plenty of room above the numbers to put tape of your rifles data on. Ie custom BDC knobs as well as room to write on with wet erase markers for things like target identifiers and wind data. A super cool feature. I have a pic somewere of the XTR3 I will see if I can find it. Its the reason all my scopes have colored tape on the turrets, Burris is just making the knobs so I wont have to use tape (unless I want to)

It is also super nice as you can just write the existing numbers on so they are easier to see for fast dialing (what I do if I don't do BDC knobs) and then cover with std scotch tape (the actual item used to determine the height)


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Regards,
DT

The turrets aren't looking are they?
Do they have enough resistance that you feel they shouldn't be bumped when used on a hunting rifle?

I've not ever had an issue with turrets being bumped, but most scopes are coming out with locking turrets these days so mean it's something you don't need to worry about.

 

[D_TROS]

The turrets aren't looking are they?
Do they have enough resistance that you feel they shouldn't be bumped when used on a hunting rifle?

I've not ever had an issue with turrets being bumped, but most scopes are coming out with locking turrets these days so mean it's something you don't need to worry about.

Turrets are not locking. I pushed really hard for locking knobs (at least the windage) and they may be in the works. The prob is all the current designs are trade marked so they have to get creative and its not released yet (as far as I know, Im just a shooter not affliated with the company).

The other thing being offered is capped windage knob which is the next best thing and will work great for hunting esp or shooting off barricades where the windage knob is apt to get bumped, which has happened to me several times with my S&B. Not a locking ele knob isn't that big of a deal due to general mechanics of ballistics and having a hard zero stop (ie if you arnt on 0 and have to take a snap shot at point blank yardages hunting, even 3-5 mils dialed is still likely a kill shot, and on other end, long range shots you will have more time and be able to quickly look up and ensure you knob is dialed correctly)


Hope that helps!
DT

 

[beetroot]

Turrets are not locking. I pushed really hard for locking knobs (at least the windage) and they may be in the works. The prob is all the current designs are trade marked so they have to get creative and its not released yet (as far as I know, Im just a shooter not affliated with the company).

The other thing being offered is capped windage knob which is the next best thing and will work great for hunting esp or shooting off barricades where the windage knob is apt to get bumped, which has happened to me several times with my S&B. Not a locking ele knob isn't that big of a deal due to general mechanics of ballistics and having a hard zero stop (ie if you arnt on 0 and have to take a snap shot at point blank yardages hunting, even 3-5 mils dialed is still likely a kill shot, and on other end, long range shots you will have more time and be able to quickly look up and ensure you knob is dialed correctly)


Hope that helps!
DT

It must be a nightmare for manufactures to produce new scopes that take other designs and improve on them. There are so many turret designs and reticle designs that could be improved on or are almost there, but imagine legally it must be hard to not breech trademarks and copyright.

Capped windage would be great to see, even if you had the ability to either cap or not cap both turrets, would allow for flexibility on a multipurpose rifle.

 

[koshkin]

It must be a nightmare for manufactures to produce new scopes that take other designs and improve on them. There are so many turret designs and reticle designs that could be improved on or are almost there, but imagine legally it must be hard to not breech trademarks and copyright.

Capped windage would be great to see, even if you had the ability to either cap or not cap both turrets, would allow for flexibility on a multipurpose rifle.

It has the ability to cap windage if I remember correctly.

ILya

 

[GeoffatBurris]

You've already seen most of the info, but the new 2019 Burris catalog is now online at:
https://www.burrisoptics.com/customer-service/catalog
XTR III on page 34, with spec chart on page 78.
(we're forcing you to go past all the Eliminator, Speedbead, Scout scopes, etc.... sorta like getting milk at the grocery store).

The SCR 2 reticle did NOT make the catalog. I think that was mostly a need to not put the details into print just yet.

The XTR III is a MAD Knob scope, which means you can swap out knobs. MY UNDERSTANDING is that it will come with the exposed elevation knob and capped windage installed, and the exposed windage in the box. The Race Dial is a new MAD System addition, and will be available as an extra cost option later in the year. And you can get a custom knob etched with your data for $50.

I know Ilya said already, but just to hammer it home: the XTR III is made in our Greeley facility. We're excited about that. We've been making a lot of scopes for Steiner here in Colorado (including a bunch that go to Europe), but we havent' made a Burris scope in a while. That's been a key goal for our management team, getting more and more manufacturing here.