Rifle Scopes Burris XTR3!!!
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Imagine being a grown man (maybe a poor assumption?) and worrying about whether or not someone prefers American made products.
Dorgan is a brand rep, I doubt he had input to Burris on moving production elsewhere.
This is feeling a lot like cancel culture. #hashtagcanceldorgan. Seriously, we get it though, take your liberal cancel culture bullshit to a new thread if you feel that strongly about this topic.
Dorgan is a brand rep, I doubt he had input to Burris on moving production elsewhere.
This is feeling a lot like cancel culture. #hashtagcanceldorgan. Seriously, we get it though, take your liberal cancel culture bullshit to a new thread if you feel that strongly about this topic.
There's this handy button called "Ignore" when you click on someone's name on the left, I've only had to use it for a few people since it came about, but it's really convenient for those who just want to cause trouble. Some people have a bad day, get drunk or what have you, and they usually come around, while others seem to just spew their toxicity no matter what.
I missed the part where I said he should be cancelled? Seems like you're the only one who's actually promoted that so far. All I did was point out that he's a hypocrite on the product origin subject, and asked if he was going to apply those same beliefs to their new non-US made products.
I didnt demand or even suggest at any point that anyone even NOT buy Burris. I even think the current prices for the outgoing XTR 3 is a steal, and recommended it in another thread when someone said an inferior scope was the "best offering" in the sub $2000 price point, regardless of their brand rep thinking he should attack anyone who remotely questions Burris's decisions or products. I came in here and asked a simple question, and somebody decided the only way to answer it was to have an aneurysm. Thats outside of my control.
Sorry if I dont blindly worship the people you do. Haven't done so this far, and not planning to start anytime soon.
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I don't blindly worship anyone in this thread, or any others or anywhere for that matter. I don't know or care that you recommended a burris in another thread. Do you want a cookie for that or looking to be the next sponsored rep?
I don't own a Burris of any kind. I am not a fan boy and don't know Dorgan or Ja at all. I take all their comments with a bigger grain of salt than anyone else's here (no offense Dorgan and Ja). I care about performance and am here to find out about that. I do not make decisions on buying whether or not my favorite brand influencer has on opinion on where it is made. Where it is made, is where it is made. Be an adult and use that to buy what you want.
Your simple question was if someone was going to join you in the China loving threads. He responded and said no. Neither person is changing their opinion. It is clearly personal at this point and not related to the Burris XTR3 product. Take it to PM's if its personal. Should be end of story. You shitting in this thread for as long as you have is not serving any purposes other than your own.
My simple question is what's your goal is here? What do you want out of this? Clearly it is not to get a simple question answered because you already have. Either you are here to effect a company's sales or like to troll and want to infect the forum with cancer.
My blood pressure is just fine and nothing someone says on the internet is going to change that. I apologize to the other members which now have seen two more unneeded posts feeding the troll. I will take Glass's advice and go for the Ignore button.
I don't own a Burris of any kind. I am not a fan boy and don't know Dorgan or Ja at all. I take all their comments with a bigger grain of salt than anyone else's here (no offense Dorgan and Ja). I care about performance and am here to find out about that. I do not make decisions on buying whether or not my favorite brand influencer has on opinion on where it is made. Where it is made, is where it is made. Be an adult and use that to buy what you want.
Your simple question was if someone was going to join you in the China loving threads. He responded and said no. Neither person is changing their opinion. It is clearly personal at this point and not related to the Burris XTR3 product. Take it to PM's if its personal. Should be end of story. You shitting in this thread for as long as you have is not serving any purposes other than your own.
My simple question is what's your goal is here? What do you want out of this? Clearly it is not to get a simple question answered because you already have. Either you are here to effect a company's sales or like to troll and want to infect the forum with cancer.
My blood pressure is just fine and nothing someone says on the internet is going to change that. I apologize to the other members which now have seen two more unneeded posts feeding the troll. I will take Glass's advice and go for the Ignore button.
You sound confused. If I'm here to "effect" the company's sales or troll, why would I recommend them in another thread?
Some basic reading skills would go a long way here. My "simple question" was how this scope compared to a few other models in the price range. Me asking him if his POV on China has changed by now, was in relation to the response he had about Chinese production making other brands inadequate.
You would certainly be a lot less confused if you didnt respond at random and miss the entire point.
Can we get a TLDR on this thread? Too time consuming to make sense of what's what with all the silly bois making noise.
XTR Pro is being made in the US, in Colorado?
There is some supply left over on US Made XRT IIIs (see eurooptic and cameraland), but production has been moved to Asia.
Is that correct?
XTR Pro is being made in the US, in Colorado?
There is some supply left over on US Made XRT IIIs (see eurooptic and cameraland), but production has been moved to Asia.
Is that correct?
Basically how I understand it
XTR PRO = Greeley Colorado
XTR3I = PHILLIPINES
XTR PRO = Greeley Colorado
XTR3I = PHILLIPINES
And all glass is Japanese. Old 3 glass assembled in CO is same as new 3i glass assembled in Phi. Pro glass is supposedly a noticeable step up (I'm thinking along lines of G3, but haven't seen it), and again assembled in CO. Reticles are all illuminated and are a bit thicker (noticeably, but supposedly not obtrusively). And finally the fancy turrets on the Pro.
Have we heard yet when we expect to see XTR 3i's in the wild yet? Don't know if I can resist a non-illuminated model anymore at the CameraLand price.
Just my opinion, and this is what I have done. The American made one is a proven quantity. Buy the American made one from Camera Land and wait for the illuminated ones to get out in the wild and make sure they are good to go before the supply of American made ones dry up.
Did just that a couple hours ago. Called before I I did, they are expecting to get them in mid to late next week.
Its going on a hunting rifle, but not one I expect to take close shots with - therefore I shouldn't be on minimum magnification, and maybe illumination won't be a big deal then? Never had an XTR II or III, excited to get one to play with though.
You bastards! $$$
I could not resist getting a Greeley CO made version at this price.
I could not resist getting a Greeley CO made version at this price.
Dear Burris-
I realize you are based out of CO and the intern in charge of the specs on the webpage may be partaking for medicinal purposes, but please spend two minutes and correct the errors on the spec sheet.
I have a XTRIII on the way and am rather excited about it; however, I can’t help but feel like I’m buying a knockoff leuppy from a Chinese eBay seller based on the lack of accuracy in the specs on your own website.
Thanks (if you fix the errors).
@Birddog6424
I realize you are based out of CO and the intern in charge of the specs on the webpage may be partaking for medicinal purposes, but please spend two minutes and correct the errors on the spec sheet.
I have a XTRIII on the way and am rather excited about it; however, I can’t help but feel like I’m buying a knockoff leuppy from a Chinese eBay seller based on the lack of accuracy in the specs on your own website.
Thanks (if you fix the errors).
@Birddog6424
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Would also like the reticle information to make sense, it's a complete mess with no consistent layout to the subtension drawings.
Still have not had it confirmed if the SCR2 is a different thickness between models and a Burris rep told be the illuminated reticle was the same thickness as the non illuminated, which based of DTs pictures is not true.
That's why the XTR IIIi is cheaper, it's really a 3.3-1.8 LPVO
Yes, I get you, bugs the heck out of me when the manufacturer lists incorrect specs
Spend enough time pouring over specs at gun-maker's and optics websites and you'll find plenty of typos and copy conflicts. It's everywhere, really. Just read any news story these days, and it's pretty rare if you don't find that it contains obvious grammatical errors. It seems nobody wants to pay for copy editing any more: "Nah, that's not too important, just do the best you can. We'll publish it anyway." The Idiocracy may be arriving sooner than expected.
/rant off
It’s already here. My daughter’s class was the first one in the school district that didn’t teach spelling. Who needs to do that when there’s autocorrect? Mmmhmm. Let’s just say that the kids are lacking in proficiency in spelling and correct usage and context of some words. Just read here and you’ll know what I’m talking about.." The Idiocracy may be arriving sooner than expected.
/rant off
You could be the smartest MFer in the room but if you can’t spell and know the difference on how to use there, their and they’re…
$999 for the 3.3-18x SCR mil is a heck of a deal. I’d buy one but then it’ll turn into another rifle…
soooooooooon.
Id say a date but some panties might get in a bunch if its not met.
Will post as soon as I hear anything concrete tho. I heard they are arriving in CO this week or the next, but I do know that as soon as the scopes arrive here, each and every one is opened, inspected, and resealed and that may take a week or 2 as well.
Pretty excited for an illum 3-18 for half the price of an illum Mk 5 3-18 to put on my hunting rifle. Should be a big seller. And Im a fan of the Mk5. I own one.
GL
DT
Honestly, I'm having a crisis. As an admitted Vortex fanboi, these scopes are REALLY fucking tempting to try out. That 3-18 would be perfect for my MWS and MRP Valk. I could get 2 for about what a Razor costs now.
Seriously doubt you would have any regrets getting the XTR III. Also considerably less weight than the Razor, if that matters.
It doesn't... but it does. Lol. Loved my Gen 2's but HOLY SCHNIKE'S were they toads. Now to decide whether I want a 5.5-30 or 4.5-22 Razor LHT for an upcoming tac/hunting Origin build.
I have 2 US XTR3 5.5-30's and should have an LHT 4.5-22 to compare shortly, assuming it was shipped. Assume you've read already, but the XTR3 is a touch better than the Razor G2. It is not a Razor G3 though, and is closer to the G2 than it is to the G3. Maybe the Pro is ~G3...
5.5-30. The 4.5-22 has stupid knobs.
The Vortex is lighter. That's all it's got going for it.
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Same here. However I'm giving one or two of these a try instead of the gen3 razor. Not saying they're better, but it seems like you're getting a ton for your money.
My 5.5-30 is in with Burris right now getting the mag loosened up some. The new illuminated 3.3-18 im hoping is everything I hoped the non-illuminated would be, if reticle is bright enough at low mag I would like one, I’m about to do a review of the NX8 2.5-20 (grabbed another copy from a friend) and March 3-24 with FML-TR1h and Schmidt 3-27 (the 3-27 will serve as baseline), be nice to have the illuminated 3.3-18 for comparison similar to what I did a few years ago at the release of the XTR III.
Have mine in hand.
3.3-18
SCR MIL
If you bought this to shoot at the higher mag ranges, I'd day 10x and greater, I think those of you on the fence will be very, very happy.
I don't see the complaints about about a thin reticle. That being said...reticle thickness/thin-ness is so personal. Like all optics decisions.
Going to keep peeking in over the next few days, at various light conditions, but right now...its a keeper.
3.3-18
SCR MIL
If you bought this to shoot at the higher mag ranges, I'd day 10x and greater, I think those of you on the fence will be very, very happy.
I don't see the complaints about about a thin reticle. That being said...reticle thickness/thin-ness is so personal. Like all optics decisions.
Going to keep peeking in over the next few days, at various light conditions, but right now...its a keeper.
No Idea. SCR MIL fits my needs. This will be my crossover shooting/hunting scope until someone offers something better in this price range.
I suppose the Bushnell LRHS 2.0 from GAP is in the category. But I have 2 LRHS 1.0 and an LRTS, so wanted to try something different.
Edit to say...
The SCR MIL - to my eyes - Is NO thinner than the LRTS G3. To my eyes, its exactly the same thickness from 10x on up.
The SCR MIL - to my eyes - is NO thinner than the LRHS G2H stadia lines. Yes, the donut of death is thicker. Yes the far end horizontal and vertical "bulk lines" (no idea what to call them, out on the periphery of the reticle) are much thicker. But the actual center piece of the reticle and the mil marks are the same thickness as the SCR once past 10x.
Hope this helps those who have been hesitant based on the reticle cries.
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I just recently got the XTR III SCR-2 3.3-18.
Great scope for this price.
Was just looking at some dear in the front yard comparing it to MK5 HD TMR 3.6-18.
It’s not apples - apples. The TMR is not a tree and it’s .5 mil hashes but they’re clear down to 6 power with my eyes. The SCR 2 is .2 hashes and I’m good to 12 power 10 is a struggle.
I don’t have an XTR II, but turrets on the III are about 2x stiffer than the MK5’s. Feel a little stiffer then Razor G2 so I cant imagine spinning them by accident. I might pull the turrets and see if a little o-ring grease helps.
Eye box is big, FOV excellent, glass is good, but to my eyes MK5 glass is better at least at dusk looking at deer @125 right now. I need to compare them in mirage.
Still haven’t played with Parallax at distance?
Hopefully it’s as forgiving as the MK 5?
I usually just set to the near target & leave it for 90 sec stages.
The reticle is very thin on the SCR-2. That’s really the only thing I’m a little disappointed in. Was hoping for a wider usable power band. You can certainly use it down to min power holding center, but hashes are useless below 10x for me.
I like mid range scopes for <1000y PRS style comps. I’m typically 8x - 12x unless it’s a string starting around 700 to 1000, then I’ll go 12-16. I want the reticle usable at those lower magnifications. I’ll withhold judgement till I’ve tried it in a comp. The excellent field of view may allow me to run + 1 or 2 on magnification.
Is there any successful way to get the mag ring on the xtriii to loosen up a little without sending it back in or buying a throw Lever? Tried cycling it like 50-60 times with a work glove but it's still extremely stiff. It's find without the scope mounted but when mounted it's going to be a bit of a pain it seems
I don't think 50-60 is enough.
Where do you live? Will it be warm soon?
If so, place that sucker in the sun. Every 30 min go wrench the mag back and forth. Then back in the sun.
Should you have to do that? Probably not. I think the lever is a good solution, but can understand some who choose not to go that route.
Ever scope has its "thing". It seems that the XTRIII and its tight mag ring and stiff erector may be its thing. That said, it they were looser, someone would be sure to complain that its too loose and too easy to turn and the clicks slip too easily, etc etc.
Personally I'd just get a throw lever.
I have a variety of scopes with different levels of stiffness in the mag ring, there is virtually no reason I see for not having a throw lever, sure they add a bit of bulk but for both hunting and targets/comp use I find a throw lever to be advantageous.
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