Rifle Scopes Burris XTR3!!!

A good friend and I flew down to Grand Junction for the Koenig-Ruger match on the weekend. Had a great time. My first Pro Series match with the XTR Pro went off without a hitch. I got some guys on the glass who were pretty impressed.

We ended up staying an extra day so we could drive up to Greeley and tour the Burris plant, which was super cool. I'll post up about that with pics and video on the XTR Pro thread.

But while I was at the Burris main office I was able to get my hands on a 30x illuminated XTRIII. And I'm really liking what I see!

Took it out today on my 300 Norma mag alongside another 30x XTRIII and my Pro. It gives up absolutely nothing to my XTRIII that I've been competing with for 3 years. I think they've improved the feel of the turret and magnification ring. They're smoother, less stiff out of the box. They still need to tone down the knurling some more. This initial run was actually rejected by Burris until they soften it up. So some of these are sitting in Greeley waiting for a few parts to be swapped out. But I played with both some 18x and 30x versions, and all of them were very nice turret and magnification rings.

The reticle definitely looks darker than the non illuminated SCR2. Just like with the Pro, it's not a stark contrast, but it's there, and it's noticeable.

First impressions, I think they did a great job. If this is the quality of the optics they are going to be sending us, folks are going to love the value of this optic. It's going to be very hard to beat.
If I don't have soft office workers hands can I order a scope as is?

More than happy to accept a 20% discount to take them a few off Burris hands to ease their work load.
 
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Holy shit I fixed the turret. Shot a match today and was damn I REALLY need to send it in. Got home and was F it. Let me take the turret cap off and take a look. I noticed that there was hard dried gray crap stuck to the part that turns. Almost like dried gum. I took out a metal pick and cleaned it all up. Inside of the cap itself had it as well. Cleaned it all up and put some silicone grease on the o-ring. Take a look for yourself.
 
Holy shit I fixed the turret. Shot a match today and was damn I REALLY need to send it in. Got home and was F it. Let me take the turret cap off and take a look. I noticed that there was hard dried gray crap stuck to the part that turns. Almost like dried gum. I took out a metal pick and cleaned it all up. Inside of the cap itself had it as well. Cleaned it all up and put some silicone grease on the o-ring. Take a look for yourself.

Yeah, it's pipe dope. (I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn last night but that's what it smells like, feels like, and has the same consistency of)
A couple of my Burris scopes don't have it. A couple of the later ones do have it. Most recently, I picked up an XTRIII from another cat on SH in the PX and noticed it for the first time. Asked him about it, he asked Burris.
I've already yelled at Phil about it. There are 100 other materials they can use for lubrication and waterproofing than what they are using now. Why they use (what looks, smells, and feels like) pipe dope is beyond me.
(I'm not a scope manufacturing expert but more than a couple of my rifles wear Burris optics and this is a horrible choice in practicality and real world. Particularly in cold climates)

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Yeah, it's pipe dope. (I didn't stay in a Holiday Inn last night but that's what it smells like, feels like, and has the same consistency of)
A couple of my Burris scopes don't have it. A couple of the later ones do have it. Most recently, I picked up an XTRIII from another cat on SH in the PX and noticed it for the first time. Asked him about it, he asked Burris.
I've already yelled at Phil about it. There are 100 other materials they can use for lubrication and waterproofing than what they are using now. Why they use (what looks, smells, and feels like) pipe dope is beyond me.
(I'm not a scope manufacturing expert but more than a couple of my rifles wear Burris optics and this is a horrible choice in practicality and real world. Particularly in cold climates)

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Yup exactly what I had but it was almost hardened. Night and day difference.
 
Holy shit I fixed the turret. Shot a match today and was damn I REALLY need to send it in. Got home and was F it. Let me take the turret cap off and take a look. I noticed that there was hard dried gray crap stuck to the part that turns. Almost like dried gum. I took out a metal pick and cleaned it all up. Inside of the cap itself had it as well. Cleaned it all up and put some silicone grease on the o-ring. Take a look for yourself.

Maybe Burris has been using RTV on the O-Rings rather than grease.

Hopefully the build quality will improve once they move manufacturing to the Philippines...
 
I just cleaned mine. Barely any in there but getting it out had already improved the feel. Most of mine was where the set screws contact the inner turret.
That seemed to be where the bulk of mine is as well. It's as though they're using that as a thread sealant for the turret caps. It's on both my windage / elevation turrets. By the feel of the mag ring, my guess is it didn't make it in there.
 
Just popped mine off. This scope hasn’t been zeroed yet and turrets have not been worked that much.
 

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I spun this piss out of it and there is definitely a part of the rotation where it is noticeably harder. Again scope has basically been mounted and that’s pretty much it. I think today was the first time I rotated anything other than mag. and para. I just did it again. From zero stop around 5.7mils spinning through to next revolution at 3 mils is my stiff range 7-8 is where she really bogs down. And it’s the same on every rotation up and down. Just ran it probably ten times each way. Just spun windage for first time. Stiffer than elevation but spinning to max R and back to max L. Left is definitely harder
 
I’ve been looking at the 5.5-30 at camera land .
I have a Bushnell ERS will I see a good upgrade in glass?
I know the Bushnell tracks perfectly how is the track record on these?
I have an ERS and now have 2 xtr3’s and a pro on order.

The glass is a noticeable bump up from my ERS. There is no tunneling. And a much more forgiving eye box on the xtr3.

You will be very happy with the upgrade especially for the price from cameraland!
 
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I dont think there is a huge difference. I've had these alongside quite a bit, there's a shooter at my club that has one. I shoot with him often in my squad.

The Bushnell is a good Japanese scope. They're consistent and reliable. It looks a little nicer looking through the Burris with the edge to edge glass and larger FOV. That's pretty much the difference. As far as LOW scopes go, the Bushy and the Razor are my two favorites.
Since I’m crippled on my second shoulder surgery in two years come zero my 3-18. Be rewarded with great bourbon, steaks, and scallops. Or money, but with inflation idk what is better.
 
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I spun this piss out of it and there is definitely a part of the rotation where it is noticeably harder. Again scope has basically been mounted and that’s pretty much it. I think today was the first time I rotated anything other than mag. and para. I just did it again. From zero stop around 5.7mils spinning through to next revolution at 3 mils is my stiff range 7-8 is where she really bogs down. And it’s the same on every rotation up and down. Just ran it probably ten times each way. Just spun windage for first time. Stiffer than elevation but spinning to max R and back to max L. Left is definitely harder
Before I cleaned mine up, from about half mil to about 2-ish it felt like it was really binding along with being stiff in general. It got really tight around that mark. After cleaning everything out, resistance is the same throughout all the clicks and revolutions.

It’s like come on Greeley! We Americans want to buy American assembled/made (at least I hope) as much as we can so be consistent! Put some effort into QC. Three years now in production. It’s not like it’s a new model to produce. 4:59pm Friday builds aren’t going to cut it these days when we are paying with our hard earned money. /rant
 
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I’m wondering what the purpose of that grease is and why they specifically use it. I looked in my 3-18 and have it as well but I’m not removing it. I couldn’t see them using it knowing it makes adjustment more resistant without some logical reason…hopefully?
 
It’s fine now that I squared it away. My fear was sending it in only to get it back with “it’s normal” note. I would have NOT accepted that response. I shot a stage yesterday and was almost hesitate to dial and just hold because the damn turret was so damn stiff. Yes it was binding that much. Anyway I love the scope and punches way above the price point. I compared it side by side with a Gen 3 and the XTR3 is definitely no slouch.
 
Anyone able to compare the XTR3 to a 5-25 leupold mk5hd? I don’t compete anymore so I’m looking to move out of the 2k optic and down a bit now that these are street pricing at less than 1300. Is it a big downgrade in any category? It’s going to go on a .308 thst is mostly range shot, occasionally lose a local f class match with 😂
 
Anyone able to compare the XTR3 to a 5-25 leupold mk5hd? I don’t compete anymore so I’m looking to move out of the 2k optic and down a bit now that these are street pricing at less than 1300. Is it a big downgrade in any category? It’s going to go on a .308 thst is mostly range shot, occasionally lose a local f class match with 😂
It really comes down to what you want. Lighter weight and extremely good depth of field? Or save some money and get awesome field of view. My XTR3 didn't really feel like a downgrade next to my Mark 5. I liked the turrets more on my Mark 5. It seemed slightly sharper too, but barely and the field of view difference is really noticable.
 
Cant speak to the 5-25's.
I've have been shooting the US made XTR3 3.3-18 x 50 next to MK5 3.6-18 x 44 recently. Neither are illuminated.
The XTR3 is a nice scope for 1K. I do like it and will keep it. I think it stands alone at that price point. XTR3 wins for FOV. Clarity is good, and eye box is good.
It's not a fair comparison from a price standpoint. IMO the MK5 is better as it should be. Not drastically, but it cuts mirage better, parallax is easier to dial in and it's more forgiving once you dial out past 200. I like the MK5 turrets better accept for the stupid windage alignment mark. To my eye the MK5 is also a little better in low light.
 
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Anyone able to compare the XTR3 to a 5-25 leupold mk5hd? I don’t compete anymore so I’m looking to move out of the 2k optic and down a bit now that these are street pricing at less than 1300. Is it a big downgrade in any category? It’s going to go on a .308 thst is mostly range shot, occasionally lose a local f class match with 😂
No. Not a downgrade IMO. I've had them side by side for a fair amount of time.
I think the glass is about the same between the two. The Leupold *might* but a tick cleaner but this is subjective to the user I believe. That being said, I take the XTR over the MK5. More forgiving eyebox, a hash mark on the windage knob that is actually functional, and the ability to run the race turret and write dope on the turret. I've got the XTR III in both 5-25 and 3-18 and think they're a great value for the price.
 
It’s fine now that I squared it away. My fear was sending it in only to get it back with “it’s normal” note. I would have NOT accepted that response. I shot a stage yesterday and was almost hesitate to dial and just hold because the damn turret was so damn stiff. Yes it was binding that much. Anyway I love the scope and punches way above the price point. I compared it side by side with a Gen 3 and the XTR3 is definitely no slouch.
I picked up four from Camera Land when they got the first batch in, good glass, nice format, but the turrets and zoom ring sucks....called Burris sent one back to see what they could do, and was told thats normal. The mag ring on one of them was so tight it broke a cheap plastic switchview. Burris did pay shipping both ways and sent me 4 metal switchviews for free.
 
What height rings are you all running on a bolt gun for the XTR III illuminated 3.3-15x50? I’m using 1” NF rings for my XTRIII 5.5-30x56. NF lowest is 1” but I know seekins and others go lower as well
 
I recently purchased 2 of the XRT3 3-18 from Camera Land. On one the turrets, parallax, and mag ring are all perfect. The other one everything was noticeable tighter, almost to the point of uncomfortable. Now after several turns of each turret and mag ring it is starting to get better, not as good as the other scope but nothing to complain about. Both scopes the reticles are very crisp, eye box is nice, and thus far I am very pleased with the optical quality.
I bought one from them at about the same time. The mag ring on mine is ridiculously stiff. I was also surprised that the center of the reticle is useless below about 7X. I think the glass is good, not great. It doesn't process low light as well as my Burris Droptine 4.5-14x42. I haven't dialed it through the paces, but getting it sighted in, it behaved as expected. For me, it rates would not buy again.
 
I bought one from them at about the same time. The mag ring on mine is ridiculously stiff. I was also surprised that the center of the reticle is useless below about 7X. I think the glass is good, not great. It doesn't process low light as well as my Burris Droptine 4.5-14x42. I haven't dialed it through the paces, but getting it sighted in, it behaved as expected. For me, it rates would not buy again.
Look forward to seeing it on the sale area as the Cameraland deals are long gone on XTRIII
 
Has anyone put a 3.3-18 behind a thermal clip on? How does the scr and scr2 reticle look at 6-8x? Considering one for a 308 thermal host



The scr2 reticle in my 5.5-30 is useless untill about 12x and the scr2 reticle in my old rt15 was completely useless at even max power.
 
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