If you run it way forward on the rail, is the power ring going to hit? I am kind of big and find myself often running out of room to push a scope forward before I get it where I want it. I hate to step up the mediums and build up a bunch more cheek.
Rifle Scopes Burris XTR3!!!
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If you run it way forward on the rail, is the power ring going to hit? I am kind of big and find myself often running out of room to push a scope forward before I get it where I want it. I hate to step up the mediums and build up a bunch more cheek.
Was just getting ready to order a Vortex Razor G2 3-18 x 50 for my .22LR Sako Quad and saw this... I think I'll have to put that scope purchase off a little longer until this hits the market and the XTR3 tree reticle is shown.
That being said, as a previous owner of 2x Steiner 3-15 T5XI's I have some hesitation; I really hope there's some improvement in the glass department for this new XTR3. While I didn't expect glass perfection at the price point of the T5XI (and don't expect it in the XTR3 given the price) the glass in my T5XI's was terrible, like $250 Chinese scope terrible. I found myself never being able to get a well focused image even after lots of fiddling with the diopter and parallax which led to eye fatigue, and the focus issue combined with huge amounts of CA made it nearly impossible to see splashes on freshly painted steel at 550Y. This was both before and after I sent them in for the turret fix for the early production scopes; I mentioned the CA and focus issues in the return paperwork. Liked most everything about those scopes, but the glass was so bad I sold them... it was no fun lifting my head every couple of shots to blink and rub my eye.
Willing to give the XTR3 a try for the price and featureset, but this time I think I'll skip the preorder and wait for a few reviews to hit the forums. I'll be watching them closely though...
That being said, as a previous owner of 2x Steiner 3-15 T5XI's I have some hesitation; I really hope there's some improvement in the glass department for this new XTR3. While I didn't expect glass perfection at the price point of the T5XI (and don't expect it in the XTR3 given the price) the glass in my T5XI's was terrible, like $250 Chinese scope terrible. I found myself never being able to get a well focused image even after lots of fiddling with the diopter and parallax which led to eye fatigue, and the focus issue combined with huge amounts of CA made it nearly impossible to see splashes on freshly painted steel at 550Y. This was both before and after I sent them in for the turret fix for the early production scopes; I mentioned the CA and focus issues in the return paperwork. Liked most everything about those scopes, but the glass was so bad I sold them... it was no fun lifting my head every couple of shots to blink and rub my eye.
Willing to give the XTR3 a try for the price and featureset, but this time I think I'll skip the preorder and wait for a few reviews to hit the forums. I'll be watching them closely though...
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Very, VERY few manufacturers allow anyone to video their operations. I would not count on it.
I am floored that Aimpoint gave Larry Vickers the access they did, that is very unusual.
I know we would deny any permission to video anything we do. We have some processes that we don't even let our customers see when they visit.
When you visit a manufacturer they tell you where it is OK to take pictures and videos and where it isn't. They are usually pretty reasonable about it.
Ilya
I am a manufacturer. All I'm saying here is that more often than not the answer is no.
I gotta say, with all this positive info, I’m a little bit excited to see this scope. I’m not holding my breath per se, still got too many bad memories of the II. But if this scope ends up being as nice as is described, I could see this being a “go to” for everything scope line.
Dorgan, I hope your kicking ass this weekend!
Good to see inovative new products. Glad to see Made in Colorado, and the 20-yard parallax minimum, perfect for a 22LR trainer.
I've mentioned it to Sky before, and will also mention it here. Hopefully Dorgan and Birddog are listening, and can also pass it on... Please offer more reticle choices. I hate the SCR reticle's. I owned both versions (for a short period of time), and currently own a 4-20 with H591 reticle. Without seeing the new reticle, Burris needs to offer a simple and modern reticle, something like the Leupold TMR. Reticle choice is a very personal thing. Without a reticle I like, I will be passing on any more Burris scopes. I truly hope my wish comes true. As reported, eye box is a big improvement. Other than edge to edge glass clairity, and lack of reticle choices, the only other criticism I had was the eye box on the XTR2 scopes were not very forgiving in my opinion and needing improvement, hopefully the XTR3 truely is better.
Will continue keeping an eye on this scope.
Good to see inovative new products. Glad to see Made in Colorado, and the 20-yard parallax minimum, perfect for a 22LR trainer.
I've mentioned it to Sky before, and will also mention it here. Hopefully Dorgan and Birddog are listening, and can also pass it on... Please offer more reticle choices. I hate the SCR reticle's. I owned both versions (for a short period of time), and currently own a 4-20 with H591 reticle. Without seeing the new reticle, Burris needs to offer a simple and modern reticle, something like the Leupold TMR. Reticle choice is a very personal thing. Without a reticle I like, I will be passing on any more Burris scopes. I truly hope my wish comes true. As reported, eye box is a big improvement. Other than edge to edge glass clairity, and lack of reticle choices, the only other criticism I had was the eye box on the XTR2 scopes were not very forgiving in my opinion and needing improvement, hopefully the XTR3 truely is better.
Will continue keeping an eye on this scope.
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When you see how many threads and posts have been made over the last year or so, absolutely screaming out for a 3-18, FFP, lightweight scope with good glass - it’s really not a surprise Burris has had the initiative to fill the niche. Excellent work gentlemen, I will be trying everything I can to get one to Australian shores as quickly as possible.
And hopefully before the importer decides to triple the price...
Interesting to say the least, I think they're aiming at the DMR II pro, Cronus, Stryker segment of the market. Which is a good place to be.
I agree with Alpine 338 on the reticles. Something like a TMR or sig milling reticle with even Mils numbered. If the XTR 2 in 2-10 had a mil Hash reticle instead of G2B I would still own 1. The XTR 3 appears to be a step in the right direction. Im excited for this scope.
I am very curious to see the tree reticle myself. After having gone to one many years ago, I'll never go back. It's just too damned useful in hold over stages and out hunting where I don't always have time to dial elevation or windage. EBR-2C, TRMR 3, SKMR 3; doesn't matter, a tree reticle offering is a must these days to any scope manufacturer. To not do so, is just narrowing your own market space.
This scope has quickly shot to the top of my want list. The feature set and the wide FOV really appeals to the crossover hunting/casual tactical prs shooting crowd (like myself). I can only afford so many rifles and scopes so they tend to fall into the jack of all trades, master of none but better than some category. If I own it, I have to be able to hunt with it. Prior to this the top of the want wish list was a AMG but was holding out for a 3-18 like others have mentioned.
Having people over and letting them film/photograph/document what you do are two completely different things. Don't deflect.
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Ummm...I think you are both saying the same thing...
A new XTRIII sounds like it'll check all of the boxes. I have an XTRII 5-25 and had planned on putting it on a newly ordered PVA rifle. Not sure if the prices have changed but I know MSRP when it came out was $1500 for the XTR5-25. Street prices (it's been a year or two?) were in the $1200-1300 range but think they are right around $1k now. As long as MSRP is sub $2k (production class PRS) I"m game.
for a scope with better glass, made in the US, more forgiving eye box, larger field of view, lighter, smaller, etc. etc. I'm thinking I won't mind paying a bit more. solid product from a solid company.
Now the debate is keep the 5-25 and put it on something else, and buy the new 3.3-18. I had been planning on getting one of the 1-8 FFP XTRII's around SHOT show time, maybe I'll have enough saved up to add another burris as they become more available.
as many have said, it's a great time to be looking for a new rifle/glass/ammo.
for a scope with better glass, made in the US, more forgiving eye box, larger field of view, lighter, smaller, etc. etc. I'm thinking I won't mind paying a bit more. solid product from a solid company.
Now the debate is keep the 5-25 and put it on something else, and buy the new 3.3-18. I had been planning on getting one of the 1-8 FFP XTRII's around SHOT show time, maybe I'll have enough saved up to add another burris as they become more available.
as many have said, it's a great time to be looking for a new rifle/glass/ammo.
I love my XTRII in 4-20 with the H591 reticle; but I've got an empty set of 34mm rings that I can see filling with the new XTR3 in the higher magnification range with the new tree-reticle.
Does the glass come from the Philippines or is it Chinese lenses with Filipino construction.
If you like those reticles, you'll like the new ESCR.
I'm trying to walk the line between giving you guys information and letting you know we have a great reticle coming, without saying too much and having Sky call me
I think we have a better reticle with better detail and usefulness than a couple of those. But of course, reticles are extremely preferential. I'm not a fan of dots and lots of open spaces in the holdover subtensions.
I'm excited for the day it releases. I have no information on when that will be. Hopefully we can at least start circulating it by Shot.
I really hope that the outer stadia are in the .7mil+ range to maximise the 3.3x low end.
So you think this new reticle will trickle back into the xtr 2 line aswell?If you like those reticles, you'll like the new ESCR.
I'm trying to walk the line between giving you guys information and letting you know we have a great reticle coming, without saying too much and having Sky call me
I think we have a better reticle with better detail and usefulness than a couple of those. But of course, reticles are extremely preferential. I'm not a fan of dots and lots of open spaces in the holdover subtensions.
I'm excited for the day it releases. I have no information on when that will be. Hopefully we can at least start circulating it by Shot.
It’s not important who made the individual components but who inspected them and assembled the scope.
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put in a word for me will you our aussie rep is enquiring on my behalf at the moment i was umming and ahhing about what scope the xtr2 was top of the list and i want this so bad its not funny it ticks all my boxes haha xDThat line of thinking left manufacturing in the 90s..........
Nobody who excels at manufacturing today believes that.
well it tracks good. fov is awesome and i absolutely love the knobs/ticks. heading home. better review later.
day one i dropped 40 shots and was about to ditch the scope. had a come to jesus with my rifle and day 2 i dropped 4. ends up i just suck at shooting in 8-30 mph switchy texas winds. day 2 winds were a mild 2-6mph. that 3-oh-H8 life.
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So with this bad boy coming out, it’s really got me thinking of just waiting. Was looking hard at the LRTS Bushy, but now it’s a second guess. Seems like a lot of scope for the money, just will have to wait and see.
I'm not going to further sideline the thread. All I will say is that I have 23 years in mfg across several quality-critical industries that says you're not on the same wavelength as everyone who matters is today.
Quick update: I am all set to go visit Burris next week. I'll take pictures and videos where appropriate and pick their brains the best I can.
Stay tuned.
ILya
Stay tuned.
ILya
It matters who makes the components. It does not matter all that much which continent they are made on since you can find reasonably competent OEMs on all of them (within limits).
ILya
Product quality is not a function of after the fact inspection or "QC". It's a function of the design and manufacturing process. It starts at APQP phase 1 and goes from there.
I don't know what you do for a living but this is what I do. Unless we're in the same profession, I doubt you know more about this than I do.
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Also just realized from the picture DT provided, the scope looks much more like a dark gray with a better matte finish than the XTR II, the II has a shinier finish where the III looks much less reflective which is nice IMO. Reminds me a bit of the AMG finish if I remember right.
I agree patriot, by calling this an XTRIII it just muddies the waters, they should have come out with a new name which would really differentiate the "quality" between the XTR II and price point. It is what it is and Burris will do what it wants to do and in the end we'll live with it, but with all the upgrades that Birddog mentions, a new name/model line would have helped it, or at least XTR Pro.
I told Vortex they need to focus on an AMG shorty in the 3-18/4-20 range back when they announced the 6-24, I know Vortex has something in the works but doubt it will be released in 2019 and no guarantee it will be greater than the 4x erector the AMG currently uses.
Not sure why you're arguing over this, you are just speculating that the manufacturer won't allow pics/video of what goes on inside; however, Vortex allowed Frank to just this with their AMG division a few years ago, so while it may not be the norm it doesn't mean it won't ever happen.
Finally, @Birddog6424 , you mention the XTRIII line has 7x erectors but the magnification range does not reflect this, so are you saying Burris cut down on the full range of the erector to provide a better image instead of maxing out what the erector would allow?
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Are you kidding me, if the IQ of the XTRIII proves to live up to what @Birddog6424 and @D_TROS have been saying, this may be "the" scope I've been looking for, especially with the new tree reticle. I've always been impressed with Burris/Steiner turrets so I have no doubt this thing will track and have great feel, but I got burned with the early releases of the T5Xi and XTR II 4-20 so while I'm thrilled to hear about this release it would be very difficult for me to be another early adopter on this. Once initial reviews come out and this thing proves to be a winner, I'll wait for it to show up on Experticity and then give it a go and review compared to the Leupold Mark 5HD 3.6-18x44 and the Kahles K318i. I've also been waiting for the ZCO ZC420 but at this point it seems like the Burris might be hitting the streets before the ZCO does, but I'm only interested in the illuminated version which sounds like will take into next summer/fall before we see those. Sounds like the XTR III is Burris' answer to the Vortex AMG series and while it doesn't have a complete "made in the USA" tag it sounds like "mostly made in the USA" is fitting. Asian glass has proved to be very competitive with German glass of late and if Burris nailed the multicoatings and is getting a good warm to neutral image with low CA and high resolution, well count me in, in fact, this could replace a number of my scopes if it lives up to what's been said so far.
Yet products made in Asian countries are generally of the lowest quality when compared with products made accross the rest of the world particularly the 1st world but I'm sure the Burris is different. ?
You can’t inspect quality into a product.
I concur. All indications are Burris has learned from mistakes made & will hit this out of the park, but I want to see some field reviews once they’re out.
@wjm308 , I’m curouis, what makes this look like “the one” for you?
Made in China, Americans buy every one they can
Yep, total piece of shit compared to German stuff
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