Rifle Scopes Burris XTR3!!!

[beetroot]

They just don't have the space to make them all..

Edit; What I'm getting in feedback on the reticle thickness, (and I've asked several people) is that the new one isn't "thicker" per se. It was described to me as being X amount of microns thicker, which didn't jibe with me, but it was clear it was thickened up in some manner to accommodate illumination. It should be more visible due to this. But this reticle at a glance is by no means thick.

I hope they thickened it up a reasonable bit.
There is liking a thin reticle and then there is unreasonably thin, which unfortunately seems to be the trend.

It's fair to assume most people buying the 3.3-18 version are not leaving it set at 18x all the time, otherwise they would've bought the 5.5-30, so making it properly usable at 3.3-8x would be excellent.

When Vortex first did the PST Gen2 line the 3-15 had a .052mil thick reticle vs .03mil i n the 5-25 and that suited the 3-15 perfectly.
When they switched to the EBR-7c they made them the same thickness which I think was a terrible idea.
In my opinion a super fine reticle in a 3-20ish scope adds absolutely nothing and just makes it less practical on mimimum magnification.

Long story short;
If the 3.3-18 has a .05mil thick reticle Burris will have nailed this scope, at least in my very noisy opinion.

 

[Birddog6424]

From the Burris Optics FB page. Its starting to leak out. I'm watching for the full reveal..

 

[beetroot]

@Birddog6424 whats the deal with the Burris throw lever and race dial?

The throw lever doesn't seem available anywhere other than Amazon (nil stock), the race dial is slightly more common but still not widely available.
Do you know if these will be available at launch of the new models?

 

[Birddog6424]

@Birddog6424 whats the deal with the Burris throw lever and race dial?

The throw lever doesn't seem available anywhere other than Amazon (nil stock), the race dial is slightly more common but still not widely available.
Do you know if these will be available at launch of the new models?

I'm afraid I dont know much about them. The accessory end of the gig never really comes up in conversation.

Production changes are being made though that I hope will create better availibility on those items as well.

 

[Krob95]

I read somewhere the new model was called the XTR pro? Either way looks nice for that price range, and they're 5 min from my house lol

 

[beetroot]

I read somewhere the new model was called the XTR pro? Either way looks nice for that price range, and they're 5 min from my house lol

On the previously posted X-ring video, Mr X-ring says it is the pro model.
Somewhat implies that there will also be a non-pro model too

 

[Chickentoast]

 

[Birddog6424]

From the Burris FB page..

 

[Adam B]

is that the parallax?

 

[beetroot]

is that the parallax?

Magnification ring

 

[Birddog6424]

Magnification ring

^^^

 

[Chickentoast]

I just want to see the "Buy It Now" button... and maybe a 30% off for 2 button next to it

 

[Trigger Monkey]

I just want to see the "Buy It Now" button... and maybe a 30% off for 2 button next to it

 

[Chasing3]

So New Years came and went. Was hoping the official roll out was going to be then. I guess we waiting for Shot Sow now?

 

[Glassaholic]

From the Burris FB page..

Wait, is that a slight blemish in the finish, that tiny nick right above the 30, well if that's indicative of the quality, I'm sticking with Barska Seriously though, that hexagonal knurling looks slick, I wonder how tactile it is in wet and cold. Stop giving us these strip show pics and show us the full monty

 

[Birddog6424]

So New Years came and went. Was hoping the official roll out was going to be then. I guess we waiting for Shot Sow now?

The last I heard in conversation with Burris management is that he was going into a meeting that afternoon to discuss the rollout method for their 2022 line up. I never heard what the decision ended up being. I did hear it mentioned they would start trickling out information on various products as one option.

Worst case scenario is Shot. Though I imagine it will be before that so they generate some buzz for folks to come to their booth.

Cliff's Note's; Between now and Shot Show on January 17th.

 

[Birddog6424]

Wait, is that a slight blemish in the finish, that tiny nick right above the 30, well if that's indicative of the quality, I'm sticking with Barska Seriously though, that hexagonal knurling looks slick, I wonder how tactile it is in wet and cold. Stop giving us these strip show pics and show us the full monty

Turrets are great for grip. Large diameter and very smooth. I've had mine out 3 times now in crappy, cold weather, no issues at all.

The magnification ring is pretty smooth on mine. Parallax is a little snug, improving with use. A custom made to fit aluminum magnification throw lever is included with every optic.

 

[Chasing3]

Thanks @Birddog6424, excited to see them. I’ll be placing my order as soon the vendors start allowing preorders.

 

[Birddog6424]

Thanks @Birddog6424, excited to see them. I’ll be placing my order as soon the vendors start allowing preorders.

The last numbers I heard were a couple hundred were produced in various configurations and will be sold at Shot.

We should see these in the wild by the end of this month.

 

[beetroot]

A custom made to fit aluminum magnification throw lever is included with every optic.

Fantastic!

Really curious to how the elevation turret works, the "button" not being at 0Mils makes me think it's not a ZL button and it looks suspiciously like there are no set screws on the turret.....

Hanging out to see what the new reticles are going to be.

 

[Birddog6424]

the 13th...


just sayin '

 

[Chiavettas_Yum!]

I saw that Burris will not be at SHOT this year. I hope we see some decent reviews that drop the same time as the official reveal.

 

[Birddog6424]

I saw that Burris will not be at SHOT this year. I hope we see some decent reviews that drop the same time as the official reveal.

Yes, the news dropped at Burris yesterday. There's some long faces.

I know of one well-known, -respected reviewer who has already seen the optic, but I believe he hasn't had the optic in hand for a full review. I believe he has already been sent a production model, or will be very soon. I dont have all of those details.

I've had mine in hand for close to two weeks now. I've had it at the range 3 times now side by side in various blustery conditions to a ATACR 7-35, a K525i, a ZCO 4-20, and a Cronus BTR. I'll just say its impressive.

My first matches will be a PRS Rimfire on the 15th, and PRS centerfire on the 22nd.

 

[Secant]

@Birddog6424 Can you say if there are new/additional reticle options (maybe this has already been asked??).

 

[Rebels010]

@Birddog6424 Can you say if there are new/additional reticle options (maybe this has already been asked??).

This. Is there any center dot reticles?

 

[S3th]

Yes, the news dropped at Burris yesterday. There's some long faces.

I know of one well-known, -respected reviewer who has already seen the optic, but I believe he hasn't had the optic in hand for a full review. I believe he has already been sent a production model, or will be very soon. I dont have all of those details.

I've had mine in hand for close to two weeks now. I've had it at the range 3 times now side by side in various blustery conditions to a ATACR 7-35, a K525i, a ZCO 4-20, and a Cronus BTR. I'll just say its impressive.

My first matches will be a PRS Rimfire on the 15th, and PRS centerfire on the 22nd.

So there have been tweaks to the glass quality? You were always impressed so I imagine that comment reflects new glass.

 

[Birddog6424]

@Birddog6424 Can you say if there are new/additional reticle options (maybe this has already been asked??).

Yes, there will be new reticle options.

This. Is there any center dot reticles?

Yes, one of the new reticle options uses a floating dot.

 

[never_summer]

My first matches will be a PRS Rimfire on the 15th, and PRS centerfire on the 22nd.

Are you going to be shooting the Leupold steel classic? I’m thinking of selling my Minox to outfit my rimfire and would like to compare it. Really like my xtr3 especially the reticle thickness and design.

 

[Birddog6424]

So there have been tweaks to the glass quality? You were always impressed so I imagine that comment reflects new glass.

Straight up, no Burris Bias, I've always felt in many side by side comparisons that the glass in the XTR3 is a fair representation of its price point. I thought it a little better than some of its peers, but all in all, the scopes from Japan, or the American made scopes with Asian glass like the MK5 and XTR3 were so close in glass quality that glass should never be the deciding factor in a buying decision. I've always felt the sight picture itself had a greater impact, or difference than the glass quality. The Burris in comparison to many others had a very enjoyable sight picture. Minimal view of the frame, bright glass, and large field of view. That's always been the "wow factor" that people running other optics have expressed after looking through the Burris.

I tried to keep it succinct in talking about the new version they have sent me, and I have to try not to say too much. But equal to its sub $2k peers is no longer a valid statement.

 

[Chickentoast]

^Agree exactly, plus unique thin reticle.

 

[Birddog6424]

Are you going to be shooting the Leupold steel classic? I’m thinking of selling my Minox to outfit my rimfire and would like to compare it. Really like my xtr3 especially the reticle thickness and design.

I wont be making it to that match. I'm the 2022 Northwest Regional PRS Director, so I'm keeping it close to home to make sure we get off to a good clean start, and support a new club or two. So I'll be shooting all regional rimfire and centerfire matches for a bit.. My first Pro Series match will be the Ruger-Koenig match in Grand Junction Colorado in April.

 

[Tactical Taz]

So does the .25 mil reticle have the floating center dot or just the Tremor?

 

[McMillan]

So does the .25 mil reticle have the floating center dot or just the Tremor?

Hopefully just the tremor. Going to a thicker reticle so it's easier to see and changing to a smaller dot that is harder to see counteracts each other

 

[Birddog6424]

Hopefully just the tremor. Going to a thicker reticle so it's easier to see and changing to a smaller dot that is harder to see counteracts each other

The three reticles are the regular SCR2, the SCR2 in quarter mil, and the Tremor 5.

The SCR2 uses a small floating cross, not a dot. So its the Tremor 5 that has the floating dot.

 

[McMillan]

The three reticles are the regular SCR2, the SCR2 in quarter mil, and the Tremor 5.

The SCR2 uses a small floating cross, not a dot. So its the Tremor 5 that has the floating dot.

This makes me extremely happy

 

[beetroot]

The three reticles are the regular SCR2, the SCR2 in quarter mil, and the Tremor 5.

The SCR2 uses a small floating cross, not a dot. So its the Tremor 5 that has the floating dot.

Pics or never happened.....

 

[Birddog6424]

Pics or never happened.....

Oh..... it happened...

 

[Doctorwho1138]

Oh..... it happened...

I just spit up my drink…

 

[Birddog6424]

A nice sunny day today here in SW Idaho. Got in a little rimfire fun. I wanted to really put the turrets to the test. So I fired 48 rounds walking out and back from 50 yards, which is my zero, to 8 mils at 200 yards, to 22.3 mils at 400 yards. It tracks lockstep with my 18x XTR3 that I normally have on this rifle.

The mirage was crazy heavy with all that sunshine. I was surprised at the clarity I was able to achieve on some bullets splashes on a 920 yard plate. It cut the mirage pretty well. And I thought I would be able to see some CA on the edge of those white plates with the sun hitting them, but I wasn't really able to discern any all the way up to 30x.. So it's pretty well controlled in my example.

 

[Chickentoast]

^Translation - hang in there you lowly plebian bastards!

I wait for the 13th.

 

[BigJohn141]

After shooting behind a first gen Razor AMG I don’t mind the cross. But I do like the floating dot as well. I wonder how much of a premium Horus will add the to the Tremor 5?

 

[Birddog6424]

After shooting behind a first gen Razor AMG I don’t mind the cross. But I do like the floating dot as well. I wonder how much of a premium Horus will add the to the Tremor 5?

I've heard some MSRP and MAP numbers. They were still a little loose goosy. Hopefully they'll have settled on a number by Thursday.

I do wonder if the $3k MAP of the GIII Razor will have an influence.

 

[beetroot]

I've heard some MSRP and MAP numbers. They were still a little loose goosy. Hopefully they'll have settled on a number by Thursday.

I do wonder if the $3k MAP of the GIII Razor will have an influence.

Obviously don't know what all the changes are but if the XTR3 has been labeled as the scope to beat under 2k.

Seems like they'll need to have made a lot of improvements to be pushing towards 3k.

That being said the Tremor 5 can cost 5k and most people won't be to bothered.....

 

[BigJohn141]

I really hope it’s in the low $2k range. I love good glass, just don’t want to take out a second mortgage to buy it.

 

[Birddog6424]

I really hope it’s in the low $2k range. I love good glass, just don’t want to take out a second mortgage to buy it.

Fingers crossed we are still a go to announce it tomorrow.. the final price is one of those things I'm excited to hear about as well.

 

[Chickentoast]

Dealer told me price would be lower than the last one - maybe MSRP, but street won't be as discounted? Find it hard to believe better glass and real price reduction, when this was already the best value in the marketplace @~1600 street, but hopefully we shall see on the morrow.

 

[Birddog6424]

Dealer told me price would be lower than the last one - maybe MSRP, but street won't be as discounted? Find it hard to believe better glass and real price reduction, when this was already the best value in the marketplace @~1600 street, but hopefully we shall see on the morrow.

The dealer is right... and he's not..

I'm ready for this to get out in the open so we can talk about this stuff. There's a lot going on..

 

[RFutch]

Are the XTR 2's being revamped as well?

 

[Chickentoast]

The dealer is right... and he's not..

I'm ready for this to get out in the open so we can talk about this stuff. There's a lot going on..

Either there's waaayyy too much margin in this industry, or it's being run by idiots. You've gotta be pissed... sure, go ahead, pump it, we got your back. Umm, guys, XRS3 is out. Guys, G3 dropped. Guys? Faaaaaack, now they're going to make fun of me on-the-line.

 

[Jigstick]

Wait so the illuminated version is available?