Rifle Scopes Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

#101
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Invisible300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For anyone who's interested. I have this exact scope, brand new, up for sale. PM me if you would like more info. </div></div>

Troll? Nice way and to try and skate the rules.....Walk on somewhere else with your bullshit...
 
#102
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

I suppose I should do my research before I go and post a 'for sale' ad on a forum. A mistake to learn from. FYI for those of you who were truly offended by that stunt, no need to be concerned. That post has been deleted.
In my defense and as I told Ranger1183, my only intention was to make this scope available to a nonservice member who could appreciate it and really test its capabilities. My mistake.
Just so THIS post can stay on topic: I'm waiting for my 34mm scope rings to come in from Larue so I can mount this Bushnell on my 300 win mag.
To the guys who have a scope: What caliber did you mount this scope on and how do you like it?
 
#104
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dodgefan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Taseal
The ranging portion of the reticle is 12 inches so that you can
Mil the top of the head to the break of the shoulder and get a quick range estimation from that. </div></div>

yeah I was told that. that's great. that cant get hard real far out though. however, great for prone or kneeling/sitting subjects

I ordered it friday, it gets here wednesday. I can't wait!!!

too bad the rest of my stuff (DBM and rings) won't get here until thursday or friday
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#105
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

I just got my 34mm rings for my lt104 mount and put it on my pof 308 - they said the windage marks are optimized for the 308 round. I moved my falcon 5-25 to my 300 winmag
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#106
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cyrekzz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just got my 34mm rings for my lt104 mount and put it on my pof 308 - they said the windage marks are optimized for the 308 round. I moved my falcon 5-25 to my 300 winmag
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THEY are ignorant... The marks are in .2 mil increments, they are not specific to a caliber. Muzzle Velocity and wind, as well as BC dictate the amount of drift. How come I never get these kinds of conversations? I would love for a gun show warrior try to sell me on this crap.
 
#108
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goose375</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cyrekzz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just got my 34mm rings for my lt104 mount and put it on my pof 308 - they said the windage marks are optimized for the 308 round. I moved my falcon 5-25 to my 300 winmag
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THEY are ignorant... The marks are in .2 mil increments, they are not specific to a caliber. Muzzle Velocity and wind, as well as BC dictate the amount of drift. How come I never get these kinds of conversations? I would love for a gun show warrior try to sell me on this crap. </div></div>

That's what I'm saying! Lol... Who's they anyways? Horus said that? Lol
 
#109
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

I got a hankering it was the gun shop who mounted his scope for him... ANYWAYS, back on target... I got with Liz and mine is on the way. Of course I have roughly another 2 months out here, so maybe I'll let ya'll know how it is around July. Looking forward to throwing this on the .260
 
#110
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

Yeah I ordered mine Friday. I wanna take it with me on my next deployment and see how it holds up and how well it would work in real scenarios
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#111
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

If you go back and look closely at the H58 reticle that we're talking about, it has both .2 mil markings on the underside of the horizontal crosshair and another set of markings on the topside of the crosshair. Horus says those topside markings are optimized for leads with .308.
 
#114
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

Indeed.

Now how do I figure how fast the person is running? Lol

An avg person runs around 15mph, which would be off that thing. Perhaps moving as in walking targets
 
#116
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

Moving Targets:
You’ll notice in Figures 1-2 & 1-3 that the H58 has a series of even numbers above the main horizontal stadia. These
numbers represent speeds for moving targets at 2, 4, 6, 8 & 10 mph, with additional holds starting at 20 mils and
continuing every 10 mph thereafter to the left and right. These speeds are optimized for .308 caliber but may be used with
many other calibers. To hold on a target moving at one of these speeds, simply hold the portion of the horizontal stadia
that intersects with the short line nearest the number representing the target speed over the moving target accounting for
possible adjustments for distances different from optimal. If using the Horus grid (below center) for elevation, use a hold
point in line with the appropriate speed. To hold on a target traveling at a speed between markings (such as 5 mph) you
hold between the even speeds on either side of it (4 and 6 mph).

Anybody catch that?
 
#118
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

Why does this not make any sense to me? What is the distance these holds are good for? Additional holds starting at 20 mils? WTF... I have this thing on the way, and i like the Horus reticle, but I can safely say I will never attempt to use this "Accuracy First speed shooting system". They should have quit while they were ahead..
 
#120
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

Yeah I thought the same...

It would be nice for not aware targets and also targets that are prone and sitting/kneeling. Or behind cover, and all you see is a turban and a head. Lol
 
#121
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

I agree, they took a simple idea and made it more complicated. Why would they go from a versatile system like mils and then just decide to put arbitrary ranging and lead data in there? A 12" target? Where'd they get that number from? I couldn't find info on the load used for the lead calculations either, apparently every bullet has the same time of flight in their world....
 
#122
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Goose375</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://secure.horusvision.com/download/manual_Horus_blackbird-talon.pdf#zoom=100

manual found here, not too fond of the 12" range estimator either, WTF is 12" in nature that is easy to mil out? Top of the head to the....center of the clavicle? </div></div>

That was a good read. They recommend 15-20 in/tq for the rings not to crush the tube, and warne (my rings) recc 25... Hmph
 
#123
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

This scope looks amazing. 3-21 is really hard only March has anything like that. I hope it has good glass though for the price there are other options available.
 
#124
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

I had a chance to handle one at the nra convention today. My impressions were
-The turrets were big and beefy, like others said the adjustments are positive yet not audible. They didn't feel mushy and felt solid.
-I really liked the lockable turrets, they were secure yet easy to manipulate
- The scope felt very robust and felt pretty solid for how compact it was.
- The glass was clear and looked good cranked up to 21 power.

I'd say anyone who favors the horus designs is getting a pretty good package with this set-up. If anybody has reservations about the warranty dept. at Bushnell, Jeff is a first class guy and has went above and beyond to help me out. We also had a little chat about the new design George at GAP designed for him and I for one am excited to see it in the near future.
 
#127
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BapZander</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just hope Bushnell releases the scope with something (darn near anything) other than the horus reticle. If they do I'd probably pick one up. </div></div>

They have them in the making, one with a reticle designed by George at GAP
 
#129
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grendel 6.5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would expect availability for the commercial market to be August or September. There are some nuances with the Horus reticle that need to be polished, but after that it should be GTG.

34 mm tube
27 mils elevation
Locking turrets
Side Focus 75 yds to inf

Probably looking at retail around $1400. </div></div>

Are the nuances you speak of "fixed" w/the promo scope you are offering to the military?

Thank you.


 
#130
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tburkes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The DMR 3.5-21, which stands for Designated Marksman Rifle, will have the new GAP reticle and I think, don't quote me, a regular mil-dot reticle, and will be offered a little later. <span style="color: #3366FF">There's a few things still needing to be worked out with this model</span>. It will retail for around $1300</div></div>

Just curious what these issues are? Again, have these issues been fixed on the promo scopes offered.

Thanks again.

PS. This scope seems to have it all minus the lit reticle...I'm in. I have had USO, IOR, and Horus. $1400-$1600 price range. Just what if the "you get what your pay for" gets a "damn nice scope for $1600"...that would be nice.

 
#131
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TrapperSGD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you have to be in the military to get one of these scopes from Horus or can anyone get one? </div></div>

you have to have a valid/active military id to purchase one
 
#133
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

Yes, all the things have been worked out. This biggest issue was in the prototype phase and we were working on illum and non-illum models. The illumination process was creating an unacceptable failure rate with the reticles due to the dual construction process used for the Horus reticle. This failure rate was eliminated when we switched to strictly a non-illum model.
 
#136
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RWSGunsmithing</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I received a call from horus and acording to Abigail they are now selling these to the public, however it's not at the promotional price. </div></div>

Let the race to the phone begin 3....2....1....Go.

In all actuallity, this is sweet.
 
#137
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RWSGunsmithing</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I received a call from horus and acording to Abigail they are now selling these to the public, however it's not at the promotional price. </div></div>
I Just talked to Horus and got the exact opposite information. The kind lady said they are not selling to dealers or the general public yet. If someone has them for sale, please correct me on this.
 
#138
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grendel 6.5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, all the things have been worked out. This biggest issue was in the prototype phase and we were working on illum and non-illum models. The illumination process was creating an unacceptable failure rate with the reticles due to the dual construction process used for the Horus reticle. This failure rate was eliminated when we switched to strictly a non-illum model. </div></div>

can't wait, ups tracking says Friday is my lucky day
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#139
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RWSGunsmithing</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I received a call from horus and acording to Abigail they are now selling these to the public, however it's not at the promotional price. </div></div>
I Just talked to Horus and got the exact opposite information. The kind lady said they are not selling to dealers or the general public yet. If someone has them for sale, please correct me on this. </div></div>

WTH is going on there!!?? I know that's what she told me because I was very shocked when she said it.
 
#140
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

My friend received his today, so we did a little comparison between Nightforce, Leupold, and a Premier. The first thing you notice is this aint your granddaddy's Bushnell. This scope looks tough and it looks like it has been juicing it up at the gym. The turrets are nearly as wide as the premier's and about a 1/4 taller when in the down position. It weighs about the same as the Nightforce 5.5-22x50, but a lot shorter in length. In fact this scope was the shortest of the bunch being about 2 inches shorter than the Premier. No formal test was done for the quality of the glass, however it seemed a bit better than the Leupold and about the same as the Nightforce, this was all done at 15 power. The bushy also had a great eyebox and seemed more forgiving than the rest, but again this wasn't a formal test. The scope design allows you a ton of space for mounting which makes it easier getting it mounted to that perfect spot.

The horus h-58 is a lot nicer than expected and extremely sharp and detailed reticle. At full power it goes to about 8 mil line and doesn't seem as busy as the pictures look. The middle section where the lines meet are about half as thick as the rest, which I am not sure the diagram points out or not.

The turrets are huge! And get even larger once you unlock them. When locked they have absolutely no play in them at all, however they only need to be moved a tiny bit up and it is unlocked. I would of preferred a lower profile turret. They are 5 mil rotations, with the feel of a lupy M1 turret but with more space in between .1 mils. They are not Audible, but again have a feel of the M1 turret(or any tactical Bushy). The parallax knob goes from 25meter-700meters being the last marking before Infinity.

Next week we are all going to go out to the range and do some formal testing but so far this scope has been a pleasant surprise and I do not think there is a scope that can match the specs for the money. The glass, construction, and Horus H-58 are the best parts of this scope. The stuff that could be worked on would be the turrets, and lack of an internal sunshade.
 
#141
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

I just got mine in the mail today. this thing is MASSIVE. it's heavy and I could probably replace my ASP with this thing HAHA.

that being said, I'll be posting pictures tomorrow and I'll try to get some reticle shots as well.
 
#142
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RWSGunsmithing</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RWSGunsmithing</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I received a call from horus and acording to Abigail they are now selling these to the public, however it's not at the promotional price. </div></div>
I Just talked to Horus and got the exact opposite information. The kind lady said they are not selling to dealers or the general public yet. If someone has them for sale, please correct me on this. </div></div>
WTH is going on there!!?? I know that's what she told me because I was very shocked when she said it. </div></div>
They're teasing us! Yes you can, no you can't! Yes you can, no you can't! Yes you can, no you can't! I think I dated her clone back in high school.
 
#145
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

Please clarify for me, is the scope made by Bushnell with the Horus reticle or made by Horus and sold under the Bushnell name. If it was posted earlier then I missed it.
 
#146
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TCB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please clarify for me, is the scope made by Bushnell with the Horus reticle or made by Horus and sold under the Bushnell name. If it was posted earlier then I missed it. </div></div>

Ushnell makes it. It's a bushmell elite with excellent glass. Warranty and everything is handled by them.
 
#148
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

Anyone compare the glass in this scope to the SS 5-20 HD. I would think the SS would have significantly better glass since its HD, but is it? I like the idea of a 3-21 power better then 5-20. When will these be available anyways?
 
#149
Re: Bushnell 3-21 with Horus Reticle Scope at Shot Sho

I have two HDMRs and think the optical quality is great. But it is actually 3.5-21. According to the manufacturer specs on each the FOV at 100 yards is HDMR: 5' - 26'
SWFA: 4.82 - 19.4

So the maximum field of view is 34% larger on the HDMR.

I chose the HDMR because I wanted the reticle. But I lost the illuminated reticle.

Regards
 
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