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Canada... why hasn't the govt been overthrown?
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Problem is, it isn’t law, but these 24/7 fear monger campaigns have misguided and emboldened the lowest of the low to feel like they’re doing something by forcing you to muzzle up with a chin diaper.
About what? I was just stating that as of right now, the longest recorded kill shot was by a Canadian. JTF2 if I’m correct.
You’re stating something that was already stated and linked to a supporting article, in this thread, and you’re not the one who’s confused?
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What am I not getting? The enemy fears the Canadian Forces. We believe in peace and will put down the enemy that spreads violence, even if it gets ugly. With the same ruthlessness as we rule the hockey rink. It's in our makeup. Hardy people living in harsh lands.
disregard the dribble from Canadian media outlets.
Trudeau says “if you kill your enemies, you lose”. No one fears us dude. Get over it. We’re a joke.
What an asshole. These were the same Liberals who disbanded our Airbourne regiment after Mogadishu because they were way too badass. Scattered them about the regular forces.
The Khadr payout was a direct attack against the Canadians that lost their lives trying to stop the Taliban. That shit keeps me up at night. Burns my soul.
They did, but in the 1980s they literally launched a full scale invasion of Canada. A few years before that the Outlaws started making inroads. The war between the Outlaws and the HA in Canada were some of the most brutal in the history of the 1%er OMCs...
Cucks dude. We look like cucks on the world stage. You can try and point out how great we were 70 years ago, but it’s pointless. People looking at us right now see a bunch of cucks.
I remember all the bombings in the 80’s when they had the war with Rock Machine in Montreal. Car bombs going off every other day.
Hell, we’ve even had Saudi hit squads and cartel Sicario’s operating in country as of late. Slipped the government of course. Same as the Chinese mobsters they caught and let go here.
Only because of sock boy (small potatoes according to the chicoms)
won’t take care of our veterans because “they ask too much”
spends a trillion dollars on the fucking flu in the last year and not one dollar to help PTS.
You really shouldn’t try to downplay what we did 70 years ago. Some of those dudes are still laying where they fought until they fell over dead.
there are instances too where the Blackwatch had to pile up the bodies of their fallen buddies to make defilade positions in order to get off the beach alive.
Don’t fuck with Canada. We have Angry moose and geese that make the rest of you look like a bunch of watered down light beer drinking man bun soy latte boys.
There's a few around who know of whom the Black Watch are. And I know of some AmeriYank's who respect the Black Watch.
All is not lost...... but the edge is in view.
Wow. That is a contentious and fun piece of history right there. From what I remember reading, you both are kinda right, but I believe some of the details are a bit off.
For what its worth, I had to pick up a book off the shelf to check myself.
The Canadians were the first in 1914 to implement "trench raiding" that would later evolve into battlefield tactics that would resemble what would be defined as "stormtrooper tactics" or "specialized assault infantry tactics".
These tactics are characterized by integrated supporting arms, decentralized command and control, engagements in dispersed patterns, squad-based fire and maneuver, and demanding independent initiative and leadership from the small unit commanders down to the NCO level. Standard stuff these days, but combined arms tactics was revolutionary in the period between 1890's-1920's.
So perhaps the Canadians "implemented" it first in 1914-1915 during the beginnings of the trench raiding.
The difference between the Germans and the Canadians is that the Canadians kinda stumbled into it organically on the field, while the Germans concurrently "discovered it" built it from the ground up and formed specialized units dedicated to it. By 1915 Sturm Battalion Rohr was formed, and within a short period every German division was working towards integrating strum troops. Their training and tactics influenced by Major Reddemann and Lieutenant Colonel Rohr. Substantively, what the Germans were doing was institutional and would go on to influence militaries around the world. So the gap between "first use" and "discovery" is extremely narrow.
Put another way, the Canadians figured it how to do something without defining it and never developed it further, but the credit of discovery goes to the Germans, because they were not just using it "ad hoc" on the battlefield. The Germans understood it well enough to create a whole new doctrine to describe it, recognized its importance, and committed whole units and offensive operations around the doctrine.
Further, the Germans (and a few other notable participants who were paying attention) retained and continued to develop and improve the doctrine after the war while the Canadians let the knowledge fade out of the ranks and it had to be relearned later.
But this is just me regurgitating information that you can read for yourself and I might be getting some of the details smudged.
Here are some notable books on the subject written by people who are far more qualified to weigh in on the subject. As it feels like this may be an issue of pride, I included historians that were Canadian military officers in the list of books below.
"Stormtrooper Tactics: Innovation in the German Army, 1914-1918" by Bruce Gudundsson
"Doctrine and Dogma: German and British Infantry Tactics in the First World War" by Martin Samuels
"A Lesson in Success: The Calonne Trench Raid, 17 January 1917." by Andrew B. Godefroy
"Toward Combined Arms Warfare: A Survey of 20th Century Tactics, Doctrine, and Organization" by Jonathan M. House
“Men against Fire: The Doctrine of the Offensive in 1914” by Michael Howard
Of course all of this ignores that the Germans were observing the start of similar tactics being used in the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905.
Thank you for the clarification and the suggested reading list. I will see if I can track down a copy of those.Wow. That is a contentious and fun piece of history right there. From what I remember reading, you both are kinda right, but I believe some of the details are a bit off.
For what its worth, I had to pick up a book off the shelf to check myself.
The Canadians were the first in 1914 to implement "trench raiding" that would later evolve into battlefield tactics that would resemble what would be defined as "stormtrooper tactics" or "specialized assault infantry tactics".
These tactics are characterized by integrated supporting arms, decentralized command and control, engagements in dispersed patterns, squad-based fire and maneuver, and demanding independent initiative and leadership from the small unit commanders down to the NCO level. Standard stuff these days, but combined arms tactics was revolutionary in the period between 1890's-1920's.
So perhaps the Canadians "implemented" it first in 1914-1915 during the beginnings of the trench raiding.
The difference between the Germans and the Canadians is that the Canadians kinda stumbled into it organically on the field, while the Germans concurrently "discovered it" built it from the ground up and formed specialized units dedicated to it. By 1915 Sturm Battalion Rohr was formed, and within a short period every German division was working towards integrating strum troops. Their training and tactics influenced by Major Reddemann and Lieutenant Colonel Rohr. Substantively, what the Germans were doing was institutional and would go on to influence militaries around the world. So the gap between "first use" and "discovery" is extremely narrow.
Put another way, the Canadians figured it how to do something without defining it and never developed it further, but the credit of discovery goes to the Germans, because they were not just using it "ad hoc" on the battlefield. The Germans understood it well enough to create a whole new doctrine to describe it, recognized its importance, and committed whole units and offensive operations around the doctrine.
Further, the Germans (and a few other notable participants who were paying attention) retained and continued to develop and improve the doctrine after the war while the Canadians let the knowledge fade out of the ranks and it had to be relearned later.
But this is just me regurgitating information that you can read for yourself and I might be getting some of the details smudged.
Here are some notable books on the subject written by people who are far more qualified to weigh in on the subject. As it feels like this may be an issue of pride, I included historians that were Canadian military officers in the list of books below.
"Stormtrooper Tactics: Innovation in the German Army, 1914-1918" by Bruce Gudundsson
"Doctrine and Dogma: German and British Infantry Tactics in the First World War" by Martin Samuels
"A Lesson in Success: The Calonne Trench Raid, 17 January 1917." by Andrew B. Godefroy
"Toward Combined Arms Warfare: A Survey of 20th Century Tactics, Doctrine, and Organization" by Jonathan M. House
“Men against Fire: The Doctrine of the Offensive in 1914” by Michael Howard
Of course all of this ignores that the Germans were observing the start of similar tactics being used in the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905.
Our military has adopted the SIG P320 as their sidearm, but they didn’t bother acquiring the proper holsters. They had armorers modify existing holsters, and then during training they shoot themselves in the leg by pulling the trigger with a holster not designed for the gun, and blame the gun. That’s the current Canadian military in a nutshell. Just look at their subs.
What is that? Sounds like something from a movie...
I almost googled it then I decided against it.
I was about to offer to loan you my copies, but the gut wrenching sensation of loss, being a result of prior attrition to my library from previous unreturned book loans, prevents me from doing so.
As I was willing to pay for postage, I went ahead and spent the postage money on some digital copies instead.
For the Michael Howard and Johnathon House pieces, I'll send them to you via PM. I won't post them in on the open forum. For the Gudundsson & Samuels books, I am going to take a mulligan. I couldn't find digital versions for purchase, so when I get around to digitalizing them in my spare time, I will send you a copy of each. In the meantime, I have attached some other works that build upon those pieces and attached what appears to be within the public domain below.
A Canadian friend from BC reports that almost the entire population believes the news propaganda. They fully believe that Trump is greatly disliked. They are loosing whatever firearm rights they had, and most of the population is voting for this.
I would describe the Canadians I know, which is a large number, to be pleasant but naive.
I would describe the Canadians I know, which is a large number, to be pleasant but naive.
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If I am not mistaken in the 1950s Canada was both the most prosperous per capita country in the world and also the most admired. And then came Pierre Trudeau. And now his little Muppet son. Who is probably not even his and is from some Margaret Trudeau fling at studio 54 when she was Coked to the gills and banging Keith Richards.
Canadians didn’t ruin Canada socialists did. The liberal party and the French language Marxists of Quebec. Pierre Trudeau Rene Levesque so many others.
Amazing how it always comes back to socialism and communism.
Being tolerant of socialists/commie is 9/10ths the same as being a socialist/commie
If the majority actively didn’t want them in the positions they are in, they wouldn’t be in said positions.
Zut alors, tabernaq, de cheveaux chateau le boeuf par grande fromage Renault le car rendezvous, oui?
How am I doing?
Sirhr
Nah, Canada rocks, but it’s like Mexico or the Bahamas, fun to visit and play, but I wouldn’t want to live there
Here's where you're wrong again. Ever heard of a "Minority Government"? No, this is not a government where the leader is from a 3rd world country.
This is the MAIN reason why I argue with your fellow AmeriYanks that claim they should have "more than a 2 Party system"... not just NO but HELL NO.
The spawn of trudeau has to go……..
but, I’ve been going to Western Canada all my life and worked in Country/Vancouver for 5 years and absolutely loved it. It took a while, but I was accepted into Canadian society……it was great. I just hope that the citizenry gets rid of this POS premiere, so I can go back, sooner rather than later.
Canada does not suck. (Well, maybe eastern Canada, but I have very little experience there).
I don’t think that’s a real thing.
If the majority didn’t want him, they’d remove him, power in numbers be like they be
But no
Logic. If the majority of people truly take issue with one person, historically they leave office, sometimes with their head, sometimes without
If it’s not enough of a issue for the majority to do something about, it’s not that much of a issue for the majority, ie you need the acceptance of the governed to govern. It’s just numbers
During April and May of 1944, the Eighth British Army, including the 1st Canadian Corps, was secretly moved across Italy to join the Fifth U.S. Army in the struggle for Rome. Here under the dominating peak of Cassino, the Allied armies hurled themselves against the enemy position. Tanks of the 1st Canadian Armoured Brigade (formerly 1st Canadian Army Tank Brigade) supported the Allied attack. After four days of hard fighting, the German defences were broken from Cassino to the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Germans moved back their second line of defence. On May 18, Polish troops took the Cassino position and the battered monastery at the summit.
Ruins of the coliseum and castle, 21 May 1944/Cassino, Italy. Credit: Department of National Defence/Library and Archives Canada/PA-136204
Giving chase through the Liri Valley
On May 16, the 1st Canadian Corps received orders to advance on the Hitler Line ten kilometres farther up the valley. Early on May 23, the attack on the Hitler Line went in. Under heavy enemy mortar and machine-gun fire, the Canadians breached the defences and the tanks of the 5th Canadian Armoured Division poured through toward the next obstacle, the Melfa River. Desperate fighting took place in the forming of a bridgehead across the Melfa. Once the Canadians were over the river, however, the major fighting for the Liri valley was over.The operation developed into a pursuit as the Germans moved back quickly to avoid being trapped in the valley by the American thrust farther west. The 5th Armoured Division carried the Canadian pursuit to Ceprano where the 1st Canadian Infantry Division took over the task. On May 31, the Canadians occupied Frosinone and their campaign in this area came to an end as they went into reserve.
Rome fell to the Americans on June 4.
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Sorry, got that wrong. It was not Patton that marched on Rome, it was General Mark Clark. Beer makes the brain a little fuzzy at times.
The lack of fight must be a British thing, seems like most of the Commonwealth countries seem happy to roll over when the going gets tough, maybe Australians are the only exception, even then they are trending towards wokeness.
Americans like to point out it's their constitution that saves them but I'm not sure it is. I live in New Zealand and we too are getting royally shafted every day by our current Government, it's not the fact we don't have a constitution but that no one stands up against the Politicians.
I think of the Dicks Sporting AR15 situation and how everyone turned their back on them for their virtue signaling, over here you'd be lucky if 5% of people would stand up for something they believed in, most people just think nothing can be done and accept it.
The thing that keeps the US from crumbling is that people are willing to fight to keep what they have, I don't think you need the constitution to do that but maybe having something symbolic to represent your values and rights helps keep people orientated.
The whole western world is heading down the same path with people on the left wanting to tear down everything that has been built up hundreds of years not thinking what the consequences may be.
In many ways leftist values are much easier to defend than what conservative ones are, especially in short form communication like Twitter and Facebook.
Fortunate the leftist experiments are tending to fail pretty rapidly so there is hope people will see that and start to turn away from the stupidity.
We’re going to roll over and take this too.
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at 1:30 AM ET this morning, the Liberals' bill to censor the internet and restrict your free speech passed.
With the help of their reckless coalition with the Bloc Québécois, NDP, and Greens – the Liberals successfully rammed this bill through Parliament just as we suspected they would.
This bill is an assault on your right to free speech and freedom of expression – right in time for Justin Trudeau’s summer election.
He knows that our supporters are the best and most passionate in the country, and he would do anything to make it harder for you to use your voice.”
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at 1:30 AM ET this morning, the Liberals' bill to censor the internet and restrict your free speech passed.
With the help of their reckless coalition with the Bloc Québécois, NDP, and Greens – the Liberals successfully rammed this bill through Parliament just as we suspected they would.
This bill is an assault on your right to free speech and freedom of expression – right in time for Justin Trudeau’s summer election.
He knows that our supporters are the best and most passionate in the country, and he would do anything to make it harder for you to use your voice.”
They already criminalized free speech with bill C16, guess they are just adding nails to the coffin.
Is this what you’re using to say that, Canadians where the original storm troopers?During April and May of 1944, the Eighth British Army, including the 1st Canadian Corps, was secretly moved across Italy to join the Fifth U.S. Army in the struggle for Rome. Here under the dominating peak of Cassino, the Allied armies hurled themselves against the enemy position. Tanks of the 1st Canadian Armoured Brigade (formerly 1st Canadian Army Tank Brigade) supported the Allied attack. After four days of hard fighting, the German defences were broken from Cassino to the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Germans moved back their second line of defence. On May 18, Polish troops took the Cassino position and the battered monastery at the summit.
Ruins of the coliseum and castle, 21 May 1944/Cassino, Italy. Credit: Department of National Defence/Library and Archives Canada/PA-136204
Giving chase through the Liri Valley
On May 16, the 1st Canadian Corps received orders to advance on the Hitler Line ten kilometres farther up the valley. Early on May 23, the attack on the Hitler Line went in. Under heavy enemy mortar and machine-gun fire, the Canadians breached the defences and the tanks of the 5th Canadian Armoured Division poured through toward the next obstacle, the Melfa River. Desperate fighting took place in the forming of a bridgehead across the Melfa. Once the Canadians were over the river, however, the major fighting for the Liri valley was over.
The operation developed into a pursuit as the Germans moved back quickly to avoid being trapped in the valley by the American thrust farther west. The 5th Armoured Division carried the Canadian pursuit to Ceprano where the 1st Canadian Infantry Division took over the task. On May 31, the Canadians occupied Frosinone and their campaign in this area came to an end as they went into reserve.
Rome fell to the Americans on June 4.
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