Carlos's white feather

[Don't try to run]

Re: Carlos's white feather

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VAJayJayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">holy shit where have I been? i missed all this.....

DonttrytobeatmeatXBOX is a FUCKING RETARD </div></div>
You guys should buy your Vagasil douche in bulk, and have a wash out your sandy vaginas party.
I don't want to offend you delicate sensibilities, but Retard is a politically incorrect term now, in case you haven't heard.

 

[EventHorizon]

Re: Carlos's white feather

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donttrytorun</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VAJayJayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">holy shit where have I been? i missed all this.....

DonttrytobeatmeatXBOX is a FUCKING RETARD </div></div>
You guys should buy your Vagasil douche in bulk, and have a wash out your sandy vaginas party.
<span style="color: #FF0000">I don't want to offend you delicate sensibilities, but Retard is a politically incorrect term now, in case you haven't heard.</span> </div></div>

It's not rude if it's true. In your case however, the term retard might be inaccurate in its deficiency in describing you. Why you insist in being such a twat is perhaps because you're slowly getting less satisfaction from your work as a stunt-butt in gay-porn.

 

[Veer_G]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnson5R</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why is everyone wasting time pissing on the others boots.</div></div>

That's another issue entirely ...

Oh, and just because nobody else did ...

<object width="425" height="350"> <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Y3ZJj_DScJc"></param> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param> <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Y3ZJj_DScJc" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"> </embed></object>

 

[dtask]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why you insist in being such a twat is perhaps because you're slowly getting less satisfaction from your work as a stunt-butt in gay-porn.</div></div>
AHH HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAH!!!!

FTMFW!!

Shit! That comment right there was epic!

 

[gitrdone44]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dtask</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Why you insist in being such a twat is perhaps because you're slowly getting less satisfaction from your work as a stunt-butt in gay-porn.</div></div>


Quote of the day!!!

 

[EventHorizon]

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Gentlemen, please, you're making me blush. I can't take all the credit... speaking of credits... I wonder how Don't gets credited for his role on those 'films'...

 

[Don't try to run]

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Either you guys pose your Phoney Indignation on cue, or you have very delicate sensibilities.
But it seems from the information provided a while back i have much more insight into the attitude of Hathcck than you, because he and I shared something in common you guys never did, and we didn't get a fucking tab for it either.
Though I am equpped for stunt wotk in the Porn industry, as are all marines (it's a requirement), the Corps must approve all moonlighting work, and unlike the other services the Marines then and still is intolerant of the deviacies you obsess aboutut if it boosts your inadequate egos fell free to indulge in your fantasies.
You know why I joined the Marines instead of the Army Airborne.....because back then the 82nd was known as the "Jumpin' Junkies" because of the hard drug abuse that supposedly elite force was riddled with. And that was the best the Army had at the time.
I chose wisely.

 

[kraigWY]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donttrytorun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know why I joined the Marines instead of the Army Airborne.....because I'm a total chickshit and didn't want my fat ass kicked off the 34 ft tower. Back then the 82nd was known as the men of men, and I just a punk pencil dick kid.
I chose wisely. </div></div>

After reading between the lines, I fixed your quote.

 

[EventHorizon]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donttrytorun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know why I joined the Marines instead of the Army Airborne.....because I'm a total chickshit and didn't want my fat ass kicked off the 34 ft tower. Back then the 82nd was known as the men of men, and I just a punk pencil dick kid.
I chose wisely. </div></div>

After reading between the lines, I fixed your quote. </div></div>

Perception is a funny thing, here's how I read it...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donttrytorun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know why I became a stunt-butt in gay porn? Because it's the only time I could <span style="font-style: italic">feel a real man inside</span>. You know? I chose wisely. </div></div>

 

[TattooBlade]

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Lots of amazing snipers, marksmen and shooters in the past, present and future. Some are known and some will never be known. Carlos was a character and will always hold a special place in the world of sniping and the miltary. His records have been broken but who cares. I bet 90% of the folks on the site will never nor ever have pulled the trigger on another person. Doesn't mean they're any less of a person. In this day and age when the powers to be are trying to prevent all of us from even poking a hole in paper, we need to all stick together.

 

[Killer Spade 13]

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When I was at UGA I killed about 250 rats at the garbage dump with my Anschutz 1415 Super-Match .22 LR with open sights at ranges up to 100 yards. Had to sneak up on them, does that qualify me as a sniper???

Lighten up, guys, no need for such angst!!!

 

[Don't try to run]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EventHorizon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donttrytorun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know why I joined the Marines instead of the Army Airborne.....because I'm a total chickshit and didn't want my fat ass kicked off the 34 ft tower. Back then the 82nd was known as the men of men, and I just a punk pencil dick kid.
I chose wisely. </div></div>

After reading between the lines, I fixed your quote. </div></div>

Perception is a funny thing, here's how I read it...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donttrytorun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know why I became a stunt-butt in gay porn? Because it's the only time I could <span style="font-style: italic">feel a real man inside</span>. You know? I chose wisely. </div></div>

</div></div>
Altering another man's posts is a serious offense. Now I gotta cut you. Those are the rules. I don't make them, but I respect them.
Now, the only question is do I use the Gerber Mk II or the Navy Mk II K-Bar.

 

[Veer_G]

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Sounds like Hathnot is being eaten alive by his angst.

 

[SCOTTx88]

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I'll ask about the feather the next time I talk to him.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

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Scottx88,
And please, THANK HIM for me, too. Sure wish I were able to come down there and do so in person. Time goes too fast.
Sean.

 

[ArcticLight]

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Scottx - THANK YOU!!!!

I'm the OP and really am just curious about it!

 

[SCOTTx88]

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I think its the coolest thing in the world to say, "He knows me", can listen to his stories for hours and hours. This is one of the "Varmint Specials" that became the M40. (His Gun)

 

[Whit]

Re: Carlos's white feather

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donttrytorun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know why I joined the Marines instead of the Army Airborne.....because I'm a total chickshit and didn't want my fat ass kicked off the 34 ft tower. Back then the 82nd was known as the men of men, and I just a punk pencil dick kid.
I chose wisely. </div></div>

After reading between the lines, I fixed your quote. </div></div>


I always liked the 5 story repel tower, it was fun. I didn't know at 160lb and about 6% body fat (when I was in boot camp) I was a " fat ass", I thought I was in pretty good shape. I had a 1st class PFT (20 dead hang pull-ups , 3 mile in <18 min, and 100 sit-ups in less then 2min). LOL (Just felt like being a smart ass)


Everybody always brings up Carlos record being beat. But could you imagine if some of the old time snipers like Carlos and Chuck had the modern "Sniper Rifle", how far there skill could have taken them. To get the distance that Carlos did he had to rig a scope up to the Browning Machine Gun and individually feed it. If Carlos could have only had "Big Mac" back then.

 

[SCOTTx88]

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Straight from the man, "It probably Burned up".

 

[Guy Montag]

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Thanks for the update Scott, spending time with a legend like Carlos is beyond priceless, you're a lucky man.

 

[doc76251]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the update Scott, spending time with a legend like Carlos is beyond priceless, you're a lucky man. </div></div>

That ain't Carlos. Carlos has been dead since 2002.

Cheers,

Doc

 

[Lowlight]

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that is Jim Land in the picture.

 

[SCOTTx88]

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Yup.

 

[Ninja]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scottx88</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Straight from the man, "It probably Burned up".</div></div>

Good thread, thank you men

 

[Graham]

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One simple question. Four pages of argument.
Since when does Marine Sniper School produce lawyers?

Come to think of it, why was I not alerted?

 

[Veer_G]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Guy Montag</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the update Scott, spending time with a legend like Carlos is beyond priceless, you're a lucky man. </div></div>

Helluva hundredth post. Just sayin' ...

 

[rlm8541]

Just happened to come across this and noticed that there are three names under "Somalia" listed at the top that all supposedly and coincidentally all from the same team had 6 kill's. Well I'm not quite sure why they would have listed that on our Association web page as well but we were all in the the same Plt. together (STA 1/2) and neither of them had any kills nor did anyone else from our Plt. on that deployment for that matter....This kinda thing really gets under my skin....Especially since they were all good cats... Just dont understand why some people do this.

 

[Sharpsman]

Carlos CAME UP (after boot training) as an 'across the course' competitor after being selected to the USMC Rifle Team! And you can bet your sweet azz that he had many more kills than those confirmed!!

 

[ArcticLight]

Holy shit, I go away for a while and it's like a teacher stepping out of a kintergarden class.

Teacher, Johnny hit me....................


Frank, free free to just nuke this entire thread.

 

[Sniper Guardian]

Someone mentioned Edward J Land...
Father of the modern Marine sniper program? I think not. Land established his sniper school in HI in 1961. There was no combat in Hawaii in 1961 so his snipers only completed a sniping course and never sniped in the field unless they later went to Vietnam. Captain Robert Russell established the first full circle sniper school in 1965 while in Vietnam and those 12 snipers actually got to snipe in the field. Lands program in Vietnam did not begin until 1966. I would consider Land the "Step-Daddy" of sniping and Bob Russell the Father..just sayin'

As far as Carlos goes, he was a good man and a great sniper. But Ron Szpond was also a great sniper. The box was lost where his sniping records were kept which is why he only has 12 confirmed kills on record. I wonder how many kills those 12 snipers had who made up Russell's first class...we will never know.

 

[kraigWY]

I'm not sure you could list Land and Russell as the fathers of Marine Corp Snipers. I think that title would go to Major Evans Carson and Lt. Claude Harris.

Carson was appointed commander of the "new' Raider BN. Carlson established the first Marine Sniper School for the BN in early 1943, and Harris was his chief instructor.

Harris developed a five week course where they were taught Marksmanship, camouflage techniques, observation and scouting, and field craft. They sent out three man teams, shooter, observer and reserve who could fill either role.

Like Carlos, both Carson and Harris came from the HP competitor crowd.

 

[Tango down]

All of this because I read a book, asked a question and wanted an honest answer....sigh.

So nobody knows where Carlos left his white feather?

We assume his son has it, I hope so.

scotttu
May be someone already answered your question but if not, this may help.
"Gunny's Memorial Service was conducted by Captain Norman D. Holcomb, CHC, USN who was himself once a Marine Corps sniper. LTCOL Jeff Christman, USMC piped the funeral. Especially poignant touches included Gunny Hathcock's boonie cap with white feather, placed on his casket by his friend and advisor, MGYSGT Richard Carrol, USMC (retired) who also positioned beside Carlos a telescopic sight of the correct era, so that the corps' finest sniper would arrive properly equipped."
Quoted from "White Feather", Carlos Hatchcock USMC Scout Sniper, by Roy F. Chandler and Norman A. Chandler.

 

[tacmt]

Gunny had an old cigar box full of white feathers. Each of his hats (and he had a lot of them) had a feather stuck in it.

 

[nashlaw]

Tag for later

 

[MilDot1960]

Kraig or RedmanSS, correct me if I'm wrong But is'nt the SS coarse A 10 week coarse and the instructors coarse about 12 weeks because a certain person said it was 6 weeks??? I think back on page 2,
I wish I had had the chance to do it but I'm too Old now and I love learning this stuff, and about the equipment AND YES I can shoot not as good as the best but I am up there somewhere with good company, I have always Honored Nam Vets more than any other although I always honor all Grunts/Troops/ USMC type people.

I have found that My ears have taught me more by listerning to such people and along with making my shooting as hard as possible I have learnt to do better,

DontTry you seem very angry because people are not giving you the recognition you want, If I was you I would settle for the fact atleased you have had that chance to be S/S, But with such an Accomplishment you seem to be doing your efforts an injustice, If you have done these thing and you are that Man, then be proud of that fact and dont cheapen such an Honorable thing, We're only here once So leave something behined for others to look up to,

Blessin's to all. John

 

[Killer Spade 13]

coarse = rough, unfinished
course = class, period of instruction

 

[MilDot1960]

Oh I have recently watched aload of documentaries on the USMC S/S and they said that the Guys spend 4 weeks just on the range alone plus another 6 weeks dont all the clever stuff and then there are all the extra things they learn and in total it can take up to 18 months to teach them what they know, seems to me that these guys are rather special.

Blessins John

 

[MilDot1960]

KS 13, Yes I ment Class/ Class'es same thing but differant just like my spelling, Thank god I'm a better shot than I am a Scholler.
Remember happieness is a hot gun Barrell,

I Love the Smell gun powder in the morning, ,,, Smells Like Victory

John

 

[Switchblade]

Carlos' white feather is what it is. We can only regard it's accounting from books that were written from his sea stories. It has significant historic value to the USMC Scout Sniper program, and as such, should be in that particular museum.

The reason we have modern sniper programs, however, does not fall upon the shoulders of Carlos Hathcock. THAT directly accounts to the hard work one Major Jim Land did back then. He is the one who convinced everyone that the program needed to survive and grow.