CCW Zero Distance

[DeathBeforeDismount]

every room of..... a house?



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Living rent free in your head is worth the price of admission. You are the only one hung up on this house shit but since you want to address it.

Its almost like some people spend more time in their house than anywhere else? So the place they spend the most time, which also just conventionality is full on valuables and historically is one of the largest targets for thieves, perhaps they should think about how to defend it? Nope lets just cherry pick situations like inbred faggots who can't color inside the lines.

You ask for examples and then hone in on one some trivial shit to try and win a non nonsensical argument because I just ran circles around your ass when discussing the actual subject.

You are one bitter little bitch, but damn you keep trying. Maybe one day you will get lucky and make a salient point. You can do it!

 

[MadDuner]

In other words you made that up.

If you have time to bring up the gun to eye level there's time to use a red dot sight (the point of this thread). There's no need to "bring the sights in focus" because that isn't how RDS work

I guess if you're an aging Fudd with a slow ass draw and a shitty index so it takes you forever to use the sights I can see why you would want to convince yourself that aiming isn't necessary.

One more thing, the less you aim the better chance you have of missing and hitting someone you shouldn't. Your lack of skill could turn a good shoot into a felony conviction.

We’re you typing mean words at me?
I may have to go curl up into a ball and whimper or something....

it’s all good.
You shoot the bad guys like you want to, and I’ll do the same.

But you would really have to aim at 3 or 5 yards?
Really?

I have a tough time believing that.

 

[Drew890]

Flirting with legendary thread status due to serious thread retardation.

 

[LawnMM]

Its almost like some people spend more time in their house than anywhere else? So the place they spend the most time, which also just conventionality is full on valuables and historically is one of the largest targets for thieves, perhaps they should think about how to defend it?

You ask for examples and then hone in on one some trivial shit to try and win a non nonsensical argument because I just ran circles around your ass when discussing the actual subject.

 

[308pirate]

We’re you typing mean words at me?
I may have to go curl up into a ball and whimper or something....

it’s all good.
You shoot the bad guys like you want to, and I’ll do the same.

But you would really have to aim at 3 or 5 yards?
Really?

I have a tough time believing that.

How big is the heart? Where is it?

 

[Milf Dots]

OP,
Dost thou see thine havoc thou hath caused with such question?

 

[MadDuner]

How big is the heart? Where is it?

The cranium is a bigger target than the heart is....

 

[Feniks Technologies]

I'd like to hear from someone who has been in one.

From experience. Anything can be inoculated via training.

Several studies have shown well trained “operators” have a significantly lower heart rate under “stress” than those with less or no training.

Also, stress is an internal issue. There is no such thing as external stress. Just things that are happening. How a person perceives and reacts is what causes stress. Hence being able to inoculate stress.

You will absolutely see your sights when you want to see them. Obviously up close it’s better to be fast and point/shoot.

But the key difference is, those that are trained/experience will choose when to “see” the sights.

 

[Feniks Technologies]

Also, fwiw, anything over about 10-15yds with a pistol, I’d likely look to close distance or withdraw depending on the situation.

Ammo is finite and there’s usually better things you can be doing with yourself if you don’t have a rifle and distance is further. Being lethal isn’t always about the shooting.

 

[J-Ham]

The cranium is a bigger target than the heart is....

I think we've proven here today that that's not always the case.

 

[308pirate]

The cranium is a bigger target than the heart is....

And you will miss it every single time without aiming.

Even aiming you better be pretty fucking good and fast hitting a moving target while you are also moving.

 

[MadDuner]

And you will miss it every single time without aiming.

Even aiming you better be pretty fucking good and fast hitting a moving target while you are also moving.

Well, you should know that some of us old Fudds practice shit until we get good at it.
I’ve been practicing for a little while.
I actually do aim if it’s required to get the job done.

Enough arguing.
Let’s go out shooting!

 

[Mute]

I swear, some of you people live in fantasyland. Yes I can hit targets into very small groups even as far as 10 yards without sights, ON STATIC TARGETS. Try this with living breathing opponents who are trying their best to shoot you also and see what happens. You can take all the same people, run them through exactly the same training sequence and they'll perform pretty consistently. However, any time you introduce some unpredictability into the situation consistency is one of the first things to suffer. Seen it time and time again. Outside of square range shooting, the only time when I've seen un-aimed fire used successfully with any consistency is pretty much only when you can just about jam the gun right into the opponent's body. Should you also practice shooting without sights? Of course. But don't overestimate that ability until you've tested it beyond a square range with static targets and no stress applied against you while shooting.

 

[cas6969]

100 yards. Pretty much the only distance I shoot any of my pistols these days. My range has 3/4 size steel IPSC targets on the 100 and 200 yard range, so that's where my shooting is done. XDs in .45 doesn't work well at 200 yards, but 100 isn't hard and it's lots of fun. That's why I shoot, it's fun.

 

[308pirate]

100 yards. Pretty much the only distance I shoot any of my pistols these days. My range has 3/4 size steel IPSC targets on the 100 and 200 yard range, so that's where my shooting is done. XDs in .45 doesn't work well at 200 yards, but 100 isn't hard and it's lots of fun. That's why I shoot, it's fun.

Not sure if you missed it but the title of this thread is CCW zero distance

But thanks for the "contribution".

 

[cas6969]

No I did not. My Xds (or my other occasional carry guns) can't really be zeroed, other than drifted left and right. If you can hit the target at 100 yards, you can hit it at five.

 

[308pirate]

My Xds (or my other occasional carry guns) can't really be zeroed, other than drifted left and right.

Yes they can: https://dawsonprecision.com/sights/springfield-armory-sights/

If you can hit the target at 100 yards, you can hit it at five.

Hitting a target and being zeroed are not even remotely the same thing. But thanks for playing.

 

[cas6969]

Zeroing and knowing your zeros aren't the same thing, no. I doubt most people know the hold overs out to 100-200 yards for their carry guns. But some do, like me. (not because it's practical, but because it's enjoyable, which wins every time) But thanks for playing.

shooting targets at 100+ with a pistol is an entirely different skillset than fighting with a pistol.

They're not mutually exclusive.

If you say you can drive a truck, I don't assume you can't drive a car.

 

[cas6969]

I don't see all that many gun fights these days honestly.

When people talk about practice and training "games" vs "real life" , I've always liked the expression:

There are people who practice for "realistic shooting scenarios" that in all likelihood will never happen.
And others who practice for "unrealistic shooting scenarios" that happen every weekend.

So which one is "real" and which isn't?

 

[DavidMarlow]

Zero for 20 or 25, then prioritize your practice. As armed citizens, we should prepare for possibility, not probability. You will probably never need your firearm. If you need your firearm, you will probably not even have to discharge it. If you have to discharge it, you will probably do so up close, against one person. You will probably be fine with peripheral hits or hits that cause psychological incapacitation, not physical.

The talk of distances most gunfights occur is largely useless, as the context is generally one of a dismissive attitude toward anything other than "3 feet, 3 seconds, 3 rounds". That is the most likely scenario in the unlikely event you are required to use deadly force, but there are outliers and if you carry a gun for any reason other than thinking it's cool, you are already acknowledging the potential for being faced with statistically unlikely events.

Prioritize your training and practice based on the most common threat, but don't get stuck there, trying to shave .1 off your draw time without knowing where to hold at longer distances on the (way out there) off chance you get caught in a public place during an active shooter event or other situation that requires a longer shot or a shot where you only have a smaller target area available.

 

[cas6969]

I don't see all that many gun fights these days honestly.

I used to, ALL the time, but my doctor told me I had to cut them out, that and trans fats.

 

[Gustav7]

I don't see all that many gun fights these days honestly.

I used to, ALL the time, but my doctor told me I had to cut them out, that and trans fats.

You drunk homie? Responding to your own comments... next you're gonna tell us how you don't carry a round in the chamber lol

 

[black5.3]

Zero for 20 or 25, then prioritize your practice. As armed citizens, we should prepare for possibility, not probability. You will probably never need your firearm. If you need your firearm, you will probably not even have to discharge it. If you have to discharge it, you will probably do so up close, against one person. You will probably be fine with peripheral hits or hits that cause psychological incapacitation, not physical.

The talk of distances most gunfights occur is largely useless, as the context is generally one of a dismissive attitude toward anything other than "3 feet, 3 seconds, 3 rounds". That is the most likely scenario in the unlikely event you are required to use deadly force, but there are outliers and if you carry a gun for any reason other than thinking it's cool, you are already acknowledging the potential for being faced with statistically unlikely events.

Prioritize your training and practice based on the most common threat, but don't get stuck there, trying to shave .1 off your draw time without knowing where to hold at longer distances on the (way out there) off chance you get caught in a public place during an active shooter event or other situation that requires a longer shot or a shot where you only have a smaller target area available.

Dude, get out of here with that nonsense.. We quit talking about the actual topic if this thread long ago and now it’s a dick measuring contest.

 

[DavidMarlow]

Dude, get out of here with that nonsense.. We quit talking about the actual topic if this thread long ago and now it’s a dick measuring contest.

I'm not particularly qualified for that. I mean, technically I could participate, but my baby button mushroom tip wouldn't be any competition so I have to pretend to be doing something else while I meat gaze in shame and envy.

 

[MadDuner]

It amazes me how adversarial a conversation can become amongst people who are all on the same team...

 

[DavidMarlow]

It amazes me how adversarial a conversation can become amongst people who are all on the same team...

I get it. People have very strong opinions; some are based on knowledge and experience, most are simple regurgitation of shit they hear from a barely-qualified CCW instructor or gun shop commando. Those with actual experience have been drowned out by the arrogantly ignorant for so long that they have either gone silent or have taken to aggressively dismantling the opinions of the clueless in order to try and provide some real help; they tend to come across as assholes to the uninitiated.

 

[J-Ham]

I get it. People have very strong opinions; some are based on knowledge and experience, most are simple regurgitation of shit they hear from a barely-qualified CCW instructor or gun shop commando. Those with actual experience have been drowned out by the arrogantly ignorant for so long that they have either gone silent or have taken to aggressively dismantling the opinions of the clueless in order to try and provide some real help; they tend to come across as assholes to the uninitiated.

I think you just described @308pirate to a tee... He's abrasive AF but I actually think if you can get past that, he's right more often than not. Then there's plenty of examples of really knowledgeable guys that were on here posting a lot a decade ago, but ya don't see around anymore.

Boys... They so dumb, haha!

 

[Odysseus1911]

Living rent free in your head is worth the price of admission. You are the only one hung up on this house shit but since you want to address it.

Its almost like some people spend more time in their house than anywhere else? So the place they spend the most time, which also just conventionality is full on valuables and historically is one of the largest targets for thieves, perhaps they should think about how to defend it? Nope lets just cherry pick situations like inbred faggots who can't color inside the lines.

You ask for examples and then hone in on one some trivial shit to try and win a non nonsensical argument because I just ran circles around your ass when discussing the actual subject.

You are one bitter little bitch, but damn you keep trying. Maybe one day you will get lucky and make a salient point. You can do it!

Is this still available?

 

[carbonbased]

For some fun entertainment for non-engineers?

Speaketh authoritively upon torque values and thread pitch while dismissing @308pirate. lol

 

[Choid]

Eight star threak.

 

[Gustav7]

It amazes me how adversarial a conversation can become amongst people who are all on the same team...

When I first joined this forum, I had to sift through hundreds of threads to learn more about precision rifles and shooting. I ALMOST learned a lot of useless knowledge and bullshit information, had it not been for the "adversarial" conversations on here. When dealing with a thread based written forum like this, allowing bad info to rot on threads is a disservice to people trying to learn properly. The whole point of coming on here is to learn quicker and with precise knowledge.

Normally I would just shut up, but knowing that people on here are looking for quality information I refuse to sit back and have somebody talk out their ass and possibly mislead someone. I was in that position before and didn't know any better, so I'm glad guys on here with the correct information spoke up.

Soldiers on are on the same team too but if one of my guys had started saying or doing something that might end up getting someone hurt or worse, I'm gonna fucking punch him in the dick, literally and/or figuratively.