Maggie’s Check out Billy Badass!

[MOOSEKNUCKLE]

Hope this link works.
http://www.lancastereaglegazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011103130306

What it doesnt tell you is that this tool bag left his 9 year old daughter in his apartment while he was playing RAMBO in the alley. A smart person would have simply got a plate number and called the cops instead of grabbing a court appointed pistol and being a back alley hero. I wish I was a "Mall Cop" too.
What do you think he will end up getting out of this?

 

[kurt]

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Well i guess if i heard a car hit some thing out side my house i would go see what the hell and if any one needed help. Just let the guy drive away and call the cops is better than what he did but what if the fucked up driver runs a kid over waiting for the cops to get him. And leaving a 9 year old for a few minutes at 9 i was responsible for getting me and my little brother home from school and take care of the list mom made for the day. Overall big city over reaction.

 

[High Binder]

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"Carter is the mental health court probation officer/special program manager for the Court's mental health court."


Sounds like your classic gov't power tripping asshole. Sure made a hell of an issue out of a non-issue. Wonder how many people this fucker has power-tripped into jail/treatment just to cure his own insecurities...?

 

[i_Adam_i18]

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Sounds like a lot of people condemning someones action in a situation they know nothing about...

Because as we all know, the media always reports the truth...all of it and at 100% accuracy...

Maybe we should wait for court testimony before we make our opinions. Just an idea.

 

[Yeticowboy]

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If someone tried to run me down I'd probably take a shot at them too.

 

[rwleonard]

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Cops are usually good to go in a shooting like this. They have no more or less right to self-defense than anyone else.

As pointed out above, hard to say without more.

Rick

 

[Mattrmvpd]

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If the details remain the same... I.E... he was verbally giving commands for the vehicle to stop... and the driver proceeded to hit him that IS A GOOD SHOOT.

That in our states policy and use of force constitutes DEADLY force and shooting the driver to stop the action IS ALLOWED.

The ONLY issue he may have is the use of the departmental weapons while OFF duty.... but that IS NOT a felony.... at most a policy infraction and subject to a write up or suspension.

Matt (LEO SOUTH GA)

 

[MOOSEKNUCKLE]

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He is not a cop. He is a probate officer. He is not allowed to use his weapon out side of work hours and he does not have a concealed carry permit. I personally would not grab a weapon to check out a traffic accident, I would offer assistance or call for help. Since I personally know this ass clown (and that was my 9 year old niece that he left alone while playing Lone Ranger) he has a major ego problem and I would say that the driver was fearing for his life with a gun wielding NON leo drawing down on him on the hood of his car. He was probably just trying to get the hell out of there. Like it was stated above, we will have to wait for the testimony and my opinion is a biased one. If someone was agressing me on my property or trying to break in, I would be the first one to be defending myself. He took it upon himself to play the part of a LEO and confront someone in an alley instead of making a phone call and staying inside with his daughter. Now he will likely loose his job at the least and could serve time for a felony. BTW he shot through the rear of the car, which to me means the drive had passed and no longer was a "threat".
Matt, with this being said is this still a felony?

 

[Mattrmvpd]

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Moose,

Its strange... Here.. Probate/Court Officers and Probation/Parole ARE SWORN officers. In my area I WOULD have had my weapon to investigate the accident due to NOT knowing what had happened... who was involved... or what COULD happen..

Shooting into the vehicle... its a judgement call..

When the vehicle is leaving... and shooting...??? It all comes down to articulation.. Can the officer articulate that it was a threat not only to himself also a threat/danger to the public. If so.. HERE it would still be ruled a good shoot.

There are OTHER avenues he could have taken.... but its hard to judge when we were not there and dont know all the facts.

The facts will most likely come out though... hopefully he was on the right side of the law..

IF NOT... is it a felony?.. It all depends... Some will try to paint the picture of it being an AGG ASSAULT with a Deadly Weapon. Will it stick? It just really depends on your area..

As i mentioned earlier... if those were the circumstances: Car hits a pole... he hears a loud wreck/noises... grabs his duty gun to investigate... tells the driver to get out of the vehicle... the vehicle attempts to approach the officer... he gives further verbal commands for the vehicle and driver to stop BUT the vehicle does NOT... and he then open fires to stop the vehicle/threat... ITS A GOOD SHOOT ALL DAY...

But as you stated... There they are NOT sworn LEO.. which is strange due to carrying a weapon?? If he has NO powers of arrest he is essentially a citizen/witness... He SHOULD have called the police and given an ID of the vehicle/tag etc...

He could be in some DEEP SHIT if that is the case... a citizen does NOT have that right to use deadly force UNLESS there is no way of escape or defending life etc..( theres other criteria.. but I will save the law lesson) and at that point he placed himself in harms way and instead of seeking cover/safety began to intiate an armed engagement of a NON felony activity... by this I mean he was NOT trying to stop a RAPE, ARMED ROBBERY, MURDER etc in progress..

Yeah... he could be screwed... keep us updated on what happens... I am curious. If he does NOT have lawyer... It may be a good idea for him to secure on just in case.

Matt. (LEO SOUTH GA.)

 

[Dagsta]

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The facts as they unfold will be interesting. Moose I'm not questioning your stance on the issue at all. I'm having a hard time understanding how a court officer is not a commissioned officer of the state.

That being said different states do screwy things. And if the description of the SOP and policy is correct then he did in fact violate the policy of the court.

When you violate policy, you become liable not only for that violation but your actions related to that violation.

Doesn't say much about a jurisdiction giving an individual who is not a commissioned LEO a weapon to carry out his duties. And then again if he was a sworn officer to tell him he cannot use the tools of an officer of the law in enforcement of such.

If the account and policy is correct I would personally say he's screwed!!!

 

[ggmanning]

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Checking out an accident beside your home....carrying a gun to do so and defending oneself aginst bodily harm does not equate with RAMBO where I live. Did the car attempt to run him over or did he act like a goober a place himself in front of the car? Kind of interesting that he waited to fire a shot until after he was free and clear of the car. If he felt he was in danger I expect he would have shot as the car approached.

Hard to tell without all the facts.

 

[Nocalphoenix]

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Either way in round through the back window is not a good thing and not something I would want to defend or justify. In California the fleeing felon needs to be considered a continued threat to the community to justify deadly force as they are leaving a scene.

 

[softcock]

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I don't butt-into these types of Thread discussions. but
In the written Article . I know what ( the shooter ) He is saying, or ( justifying his actions ) When He, jumping in front of a moving vehicle & the accused driving in his direction & not attempting to stop .
It 'Looks' to all boil-down too . The use of Deadly-Force on someone for Damaging a Telephone Pole & leaving the scene .

Really People ? does that justify putting a bullet in someones Head ?
Or Maybe just 'Calmly' get some good visual ID on The vehicle & driver & pull-out your 'Cell Phone' & call 911 . ( Then Stand-Down ) . Instead of Firing to kill , over a damaged Telephone Pole ?
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[mgd45]

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Yeah.....he sounds like a "wannabe" Officer. OF course if was an actual trained Officer, he would know that a person crashing a car into a pole & attempting to leave is simply a traffic violation, and not a Felony Crime. All he had to do was get his tag number & be a good witness for the "real cops"......

Seeing as how he wasn't an actual LEO, his attempt at a "citizens arrest" was stupid.....he placed himself in front of the vehicle, therefore placing himself in danger....

Being stupid hurts sometimes.....

 

[i_Adam_i18]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mgd45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah.....he sounds like a "wannabe" Officer. OF course if was an actual trained Officer, he would know that a person crashing a car into a pole & attempting to leave is simply a traffic violation, and not a Felony Crime. All he had to do was get his tag number & be a good witness for the "real cops"......

Seeing as how he wasn't an actual LEO, his attempt at a "citizens arrest" was stupid.....he placed himself in front of the vehicle, therefore placing himself in danger....

Being stupid hurts sometimes..... </div></div>

Hit and run is a crime in my state...damage to property, not a felony but a crime none the less.

 

[mgd45]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WASP7067</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hit and run is a crime in my state...damage to property, not a felony but a crime none the less. </div></div>

Well....yes, of course it is. It's a crime here too...but considering the circumstances, (accident involved hitting a pole not running over a person..), I'd probably back off from discharging my firearm at the car, especially if I wasn't an LEO....

This guy couldn't accept the fact that sometimes certain people don't respect your uniform & will ignore you....