Clark Co. NV

I didn't see anything Bundy on there?

Correct. But Bunkerville is but a symptom of the greater virus that has infected the nation. I'll agree Mr. Bundy may not be the best voice or face to the ring the bell.

Much like Ron Paul, not the greatest in front of a crowd, pretty good till he got warmed up then...well, you know. But did that make him less right? Did the ideals he espoused, that got him ridiculed and run off the republican platform for speaking them, make him less right? Those very ideals that front page news this week now declares MOST AMERICANS share! http://online.wsj.com/news/articles...0001424052702304163604579532050055966782.html

Cliven Bundy has awakened the nation to much more than rights to graze Cattle on public land. It is difficult to separate the Bundy saga from the greater drama unfolding before us. I fear to do so would perpetuate another Ruby Rigde. I do try to connect the dots to stay on thread. Forgive me when I stray.
 
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I knew what you meant, but we do get very literal around here. You are also a man of character for your ability to be incorrect and admit it.

Both of you are the kind of men who help make a nation great. We shall likely seldom agree on things, but that does not matter. As long as we can honestly talk about those things.

Thank you for that.

Why is it "we shall likely seldom agree?" What foundational soil has grown a man who can "honestly" discuss a matter and still disagree with the priciples of Essential Liberty? Which is what this Bundy saga is all about, IMHO.

Btw did you get a chance to look over that website and what did you think about it?
About: Introduction to "Essential Liberty" - EssentialLiberty.US (Be happy to take this to the PM or start a new thread to discuss.)
 
Sheriff urged to clamp down on armed militiamen around Bundy ranch - Las Vegas Sun News


Looks like some of the Militias are detaining people and asking for ID to prove residency. Looks like a "Crash Course" in Constitutional Law is in order for our Patriots.



Sheriff urged to clamp down on armed militiamen around Bundy ranch - Las Vegas Sun News


What an amazing piece of investigative journalism.

It reads better if it were titled, "Sheriff asked to investigate reports of checkpoints by armed citizenry". But where's the fun in that right?

Keep stirring, eventually something that proves we're the dangerous evil bunch like Al-Quessadilla will float to the top.
 
Thank you for that.

Why is it "we shall likely seldom agree?" What foundational soil has grown a man who can "honestly" discuss a matter and still disagree with the priciples of Essential Liberty? Which is what this Bundy saga is all about, IMHO.

Btw did you get a chance to look over that website and what did you think about it?
About: Introduction to "Essential Liberty" - EssentialLiberty.US (Be happy to take this to the PM or start a new thread to discuss.)

I will read it and we shall talk.

No need to thank me, it is your actions not mine that brought it about. I was just an observer.
 
Yeah, I know, some bullshit right? How is that good for the country?

Cliven looks more upstanding all the time!

Can't agree with the Cliven comment but...... Paying people to not to ranch is total BS. My interpretation of the a Taylor Grazing Act is Multiple Use for Public Lands. That means Ranching, Logging,Mining, Recreation and Wildlife. Balance. The people get a return on their public lands through grazing receipts, Timber Receipts and oil and gas royalties.

Damn these political appointees of the likes of Kornze and Jewel who have absolutely no concept of multiple use or resource management. Damn their minions who pit the people against the low level natural resource managers who have given their lives to public service, to the resources and citizens who depend on them.

The political appointees are the problem. Looking toward their next appointment with no care to the resource or the people who live off the land and follow the rules.

Kornze now BLM Director. Was Hairy Reeds chief of staff.
Jewell now secretary of the interior, one time bank loan officer and one time CEO of REI, Chinese recreation equipment retailer.

Sorry boys, I've been into the Crown tnite
 
Can't agree with the Cliven comment but...... Paying people to not to ranch is total BS. My interpretation of the a Taylor Grazing Act is Multiple Use for Public Lands. That means Ranching, Logging,Mining, Recreation and Wildlife. Balance. The people get a return on their public lands through grazing receipts, Timber Receipts and oil and gas royalties.

Damn these political appointees of the likes of Kornze and Jewel who have absolutely no concept of multiple use or resource management. Damn their minions who pit the people against the low level natural resource managers who have given their lives to public service, to the resources and citizens who depend on them.

The political appointees are the problem. Looking toward their next appointment with no care to the resource or the people who live off the land and follow the rules.

Kornze now BLM Director. Was Hairy Reeds chief of staff.
Jewell now secretary of the interior, one time bank loan officer and one time CEO of REI, Chinese recreation equipment retailer.

Sorry boys, I've been into the Crown tnite

I drank a box of dos x's!

When I first heard about the ranch incident I went onto the BLM website (somebody clued me in there) and they had a page talking about the solar project, that was like monday of the whole thing, before the tazers and shit, after reading in to some more stuff on the line is when I found out about kornze/reids staff connection, then more reading and apparently reids kid is a lobbiest for said solar company? I stopped reading cuz it made me sick. much agreement with you. Goodnight I'm drunk.
 
The Bundy Ranch saga is a National watershed event. I believe however the current Admin (and future unconstitutional govts) would love for increasing tensions to further destabilize the country in order to wrest more control from the people. We need our elected leaders to stand up and honor their Oaths or they must go. The alternative is not pretty.

Ammon Bundy to Sheriff: ?You have more Authority & Responsibility than any Federal Agency, yet Cowardly Forced People to Defend Themselves? - Sons of Liberty Media


We all watched earlier this year as the federal government showed just how tyrannical it has become as they surrounded the ranch of Cliven Bundy in Nevada. We saw hundreds of armed federal agents sent to deal with the rancher and those who came to support him. We also saw the after math of what those agents left behind. However, in the process, we also saw the people take a stand together and the alternative media stand with them to expose exactly what was going on at the ranch and behind the scenes with corrupt politicians. In the end, the people prevailed.
During that time, Ammon Bundy, Cliven Bundy’s son, gave a patriotic statement to the Clark County Sheriff’s office, in which he said, “Men must decide if their rights and freedoms are God-granted or are assigned by a federal government. We believe in the rule of laws and sustain a limited government. May God bless us to protect this sacred instrument.”
This week, Bundy issued an open letter to Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie. Here’s what he wrote:

August 6, 2014
To Sheriff Doug Gillespie, Clark County Nevada Sheriff’s Department,
In a recent press conference, you mentioned 1) the BLM lied to you and 2) Bundy brought armed men to the ranch for protection.
While I can’t speak to the validity of your first claim, we unequivocally take issue with the second. We never asked for armed men to come to our aid. In fact, everyone who arrived at the Bundy ranch (men, women, armed & unarmed) voluntarily came to support the constitutional rights that you failed to defend. Had you not neglected your duty to defend our rights, the rights of the very people for whom you swore a solemn oath to defend, there never would have been a standoff in the first place.
So while you chastise my family and pontificate about how “Bundy should be held accountable for crossing the line”, let it be known that the responsibility for this escalation rests primarily at the doorstep of the Clark County Sheriff’s office.
Please allow me a moment to remind you of some of the history leading up to that day:
Hundreds of militarized agents invaded our community and terrorized us.
They seized the land by gunpoint, claiming it as their own.
They not only threatened, but actually inflicted bodily harm on anyone who stepped onto the land. Remind you, this land was cared for, cultivated and improved upon by my family and the community for many generations.
A 57 year old cancer surviving woman was body slammed by a federal agent, for doing nothing more than exercising her first amendment rights.
As we sat in the sniper’s cross-hairs, federal agents shoved M-16 rifles into the faces of our wives who were holding our infant children.
Dave was, kicked, beaten, battered, loaded into a federal truck and taken to the BLM compound to become the BLM trophy. They paraded him around in the sun, cruelly ridiculing him for hours, tightly bound (without water). After they had their fun with him, they dump him out on the road and covered up any legal proof that they even took him.
These are just a few of the atrocities that were inflicted upon my family and the community – who was peacefully protesting. The only thing we pointed at those agents, were cameras to capture their atrocities for the world to see. In return, they released dogs on us, they tased us, they beat us and they abused us in order to intimidate us.
When our first amendment rights were stripped down to a 20′x50′ box, you did nothing. When armed men trampled my brother, beat him and nearly took his life, you refused to protect. When women, infants, and children were held captive at gunpoint by angry and violent men, our cries for help fell on deaf ears.
When men and women literally wounded and bleeding were in need of emergency assistance, because you allowed these heavy hands to afflict us, you then refused the emergency medical services to be dispatched for our care.
When we called, you said, “there wasn’t anything you could do”. You said, “this fight was between the Bundy’s and the BLM”. However, you commanded your deputies to stand by while their own families and community members were being inflicted upon and threatened with lethal weapons.
Sheriff, your response demonstrates that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of your place in our government. You have more authority and responsibility than any federal agency, and yet you cowardly forced the people to defend themselves. (emphasis mine)
Evidence in your power and responsibility was never more apparent than at the standoff. When your deputies told the federal agents to back down – the federal agents backed down. They backed down because your deputies who had constitutional and jurisdictional authority from the people, finally did what the people hired you and them to do, and insisted that these federal agents stop their abuses.
In the end, your deputies did the right thing, but Sheriff, you should have never let it come to this. While the BLM was willing to shoot my family over land and power, we were willing to die for our families, our livelihoods and our constitutional rights. You should have been defending these rights for us. That’s what we elected you to do.
Thankfully, the American people came to our defense. They came to our defense because you failed to do your duty. For that you should be grieved and held accountable.
I offer warning to you and other government personnel that lead or follow your example. The people are in unrest because of these types of egregious actions. The purpose of government is to protect and uphold the unalienable rights of the people, not to infringe upon them. It is our duty and obligation to defend our God-given rights if our government representatives fail to do so, or tries to discard them. We as citizens desire to live in peace and tranquility, but will defend our freedoms if necessary, in order to do so. I call upon you Sheriff Gillespie, and all civil servants, to honorably effectuate the true purpose of government, to uphold the oaths and duties of your sworn offices-to truly be representative of the people, by the people and for the people.
I leave you with the wisdom of Thomas Jefferson:
“Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.”

Sincerely,
Ammon Bundy