Suppressors Class 4 without a purchase?

[Elxx]

So I would like to get a suppressor for a new rifle. However, I'm really on the fence about a .223 or .308. So I was thinking, can I apply for the permit now, then when its approved find one and buy it? Or do I have to apply through a suppressor seller?

Make sense? I just want to knock out some time while I'm kickin some rifle ideas around.

 

[shooter6.5]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

Gotta be suppressor specific. Manufacturer, serial # specific. Get a 308 can and then use it on your 223 also. Works just fine. I use QD adaptors.

There really is no good way to cut the time. Buy from a dealer that already has the can in stock--that will save you time.

Good luck.

 

[David Hineline]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

The NFA paperwork process is keyed to a particular units serial number, so one must have a unit purchased before the paperwork even starts.

A good place to start is your local dealer as they can help you with the paperwork.

You can make your own, you can buy from or through a local in state dealer, you can buy from an individual in your state of residence. The transfer tax will be $200 unless you buy from an individual out of state then the tax is $400 also you can buy direct from an in state Police Dept. tax free.

 

[Stealth-X]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

I am assuming you can only go the tax-free police dept route if you are in law enforcement. Is this correct?

Thanks,
Nate

 

[Red_SC]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hogrider</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gotta be suppressor specific. Manufacturer, serial # specific. Get a 308 can and then use it on your 223 also. Works just fine. I use QD adaptors.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stealth-X</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am assuming you can only go the tax-free police dept route if you are in law enforcement. Is this correct?</div></div>

Yeah, and then the department has to buy it IIRC. To my understanding, if you buy it through the dept, you'd still have to do a transfer to yourself when you retire or move on. However, I'm not a LEO or a dealer, so I haven't paid that much attention to those rules.

 

[Joe-n-TX]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

Ok, not to hijack this thread but.... I didn't realize that if you're in LE you can't go the LLC route?

So, you're at the mercy of your department if you want a suppressor?

If it's not work related why? There are so many non-gun brassos in my department. And everything is through the chain.

That's a dissappointment.

 

[Ranb]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Elxx</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> So I was thinking, can I apply for the permit now, then when its approved find one and buy it? </div></div>

There is no permit. Unlicensed persons (and trusts or corps) use the ATF form 4 to register and buy a silencer or the ATF form 1 to register and make one. If you are buying from a dealer, then he will guide you through the process. But basically you buy the silencer (whether in stock or not), fill out the ATF form 4, bring it to your local sheriff for a signature, then send it in along with form 5330.20, fingerprints, photos and a $200 check. You can avoid the sig, prints and mug shot if you use a trust or corp to own it for you. In 4-6 months the ATF will approve as long as the forms are filled out correctly then you can take it home.

Never heard of a class 4. FFL/SOT's are class 1 for importers, class 2 for manufacturers and class 3 for dealers.

Ranb

 

[cpermd]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joe-n-TX</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, not to hijack this thread but.... I didn't realize that if you're in LE you can't go the LLC route?

So, you're at the mercy of your department if you want a suppressor?

If it's not work related why? There are so many non-gun brassos in my department. And everything is through the chain.

That's a dissappointment. </div></div>

That is not correct

CP

 

[Elxx]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hogrider</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gotta be suppressor specific. Manufacturer, serial # specific. Get a 308 can and then use it on your 223 also. Works just fine. I use QD adaptors.
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That really works? Has anyone else done this? Also, qd means quick disconnect?

 

[:X2:]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

My 30 cal can works better on my .223 than my .223 can does. In fact most of my friends have .338 cans and use them on everything they have all the way down to 22LR.

 

[Ranb]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

I built my 308 cans to fit my 338 rifles. My 9mm can works just fine on the 22's.

Ranb

 

[Witch_Doctor]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Joe-n-TX</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, not to hijack this thread but.... I didn't realize that if you're in LE you can't go the LLC route?

So, you're at the mercy of your department if you want a suppressor?

If it's not work related why? There are so many non-gun brassos in my department. And everything is through the chain.

That's a dissappointment. </div></div>

Why wouldn't a LEO be able to go the LLC route? I think whats was meant was if you purchase through your department, you would end up paying the tax when you retired or left. Because the transfer tax would apply when you take permanent possession. JMO, but I would rather personally own my class III rather than go through departmental purchase.

 

[shooter6.5]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

LE can go through the process, as a matter of policy most departments will not allow you to purchase personally used items through department stationery. They may provide a letter for ID purposes but they are not purchasing the item for you unless it is dept issue. The use of personal items such as weapons, suppressors, ammo, etc becomes a legal issue if you ever use it and it becomes the basis of a law suite. We could go into this at length, but the bottom line is that if a LEO wants to own a suppressor then he goes through the same thing we do.

 

[shooter6.5]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

NFA branch telephone @ ?

 

[Strickland]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ranb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I built my 308 cans to fit my 338 rifles. ...</div></div>

Are you SURE about that?

 

[Ranb]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

Sure, why wouldn't I be?

Ranb

 

[Strickland]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

oh, I'd just like to see a 338 punch through a 308 hole... that's all.

 

[Ranb]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

I don't know how much you know about silencers, but a 30 caliber silencer does not have a .308 bore. The bore is larger to prevent baffles strikes which can destroy a silencer. Depending on how much bigger the bore is made, one can use the next larger caliber through it. You were trying to be funny, right?

Ranb

 

[ScottACousino]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ranb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know how much you know about silencers, but a 30 caliber silencer does not have a .308 bore. The bore is larger to prevent baffles strikes which can destroy a silencer. Depending on how much bigger the bore is made, one can use the next larger caliber through it. You were trying to be funny, right?

Ranb </div></div>

I think a truer statement on your part was you built your .338 cans to fit your .308 rifles also.

 

[Strickland]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

I know the bore was bigger. I just didn't think they were THAT much bigger. I was thinking more along the line of what Scott said above. I thought you might have swapped the two sizes.

 

[Ranb]

Re: Class 4 without a purchase?

Well, it is registered as a 30 cal can on the ATF form 1. I decided I was too cheap to make a can for both, so I made the bore slightly oversize to make it work with the 338. I also built it extra sturdy to hold up to a 91 grain powder charge.

Ranb