Coup De Grâce, New Action from American Rifle Company, $899 WOW!

[powdahound76]

We assumed people would just call it the Coup. Hey man, if it wasn't for the French, we'd still be subjects of the Crown, like the Canadians. And what about French fries? Who doesn't like French fries?

And let us not forget duck confit.
And the Croissant.

Need I go on?

 

[AMTGMC]

We assumed people would just call it the Coup. Hey man, if it wasn't for the French, we'd still be subjects of the Crown, like the Canadians. And what about French fries? Who doesn't like French fries?

If 2023 is anything like 2022 maybe “The Non-Bindinary” action

 

[Gtscotty]

Now I kind of want to wait and see how this lightweight action pans out, might be more what I need for a hunter. Sure would be nice to see a 3 position safety/locking bolt as an option on a lightweight hunting action.

 

[Broncovan]

Soooo, since I was gone for a couple days and this thread completely blew up....I didn't see if you were going to have one of these at SHOT???

 

[giumau1]

It has changed several times during development. Its current name has nothing to do with recent events. We had concerns that the previous name, Coup d'etat (now trademarked) might have attracted some unwanted attention. I really liked Coup d'etat.

Ted

Having Italian roots , I am also a little bit crossed when French language strikes a hit into English and not Italian. Personally I would have taken a flight and chained myself against your door until you d given me my New CDG ( the acronym eases the pain) if you would have called it something like “Misericordia“. It is more or less the same concept but was the name we gave to short daggers or stilettos
Were used to killed unhorsed knights through visors or plate armours elements. The dictionary usually reports the man of the street common meaning that is “mercifulness“ so you would have hidden the nasty side under the carpet even more. It’s not short, and is not easy to acronymize, I know… but it’s sweetly nasty.

 

[wi50]

This thread is initially addressed to the people of earth. Some of you should learn basic geometry while others financial management skills. For those with neither earthly skills, please refrain from posting. It's Ted's action, you can buy one by paying a monetary settlement of whatever he assesses to the production costs and his desired margins. He can charge what he wants. He can call it what he wants. It's his. That said, I'll gladly pay him, but it's still his engineering and his time for a product we can enjoy and hopefully never need. Hats off, as with all ARC products, there's nothing better at this time.

 

[The D]

I expect all build threads based on this action to read something like; “Plotting my coup” or “the coup was successful”.

 

[lash]

@karagias is there an intro price for the LA?

Yes.





First post says $899 SA/la.

 

[Conqueror]

Is it ok to tell the world that coup de grace is properly pronounced like “you da boss” and not poop d’bah? I can’t wait to go to Altus and hear 200 Florida crackers trying to speak French.

 

[powdahound76]

Now I kind of want to wait and see how this lightweight action pans out, might be more what I need for a hunter. Sure would be nice to see a 3 position safety/locking bolt as an option on a lightweight hunting action.

I have one of these mysterious actions as a lightweight rifle.

1952 Win Model 70 Featherweight.

 

[AnimalMother224]

in for two. my ARC addiction didnt need this, but it did

 

[Disturbingiraq]

Pre-orders

Initially, we were going to get some actions on the shelf before taking orders but because many of you have requested pre-ordering, we’re now considering this. If we do it, we’re going to take full payment rather than just a deposit because it’s easier for us to do so. Easy is important because it saves time and given the level of interest you guys are expressing, we’re going to need that time. Once we’re confident that we won’t disappoint you, we may take pre-orders. Not 100% sure yet.

Ted

I'd like to be on the list to preorder if and when this happens.

 

[Lil Casino]

I'd like to be on the preorder list as well.

 

[Rate_of_Twist]

I already have a Nuc 1.5 in 6mm Creed. Looking to build another rifle for fun in .223 (I think)

For $100 would it make more sense to just go with another Nuc over this? Aesthetically I really like this offering though.

 

[Herb Stoner]

I like the name - keep it. Bunch of insecure snowflakes that need the writing on their rifle to make them feel like more of a badass than they’ll ever be…

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Why don't you like the name? If it rubs you the wrong way, I'd like to know why. Always appreciate shared thoughts.

Ted

1. It's French
2. it's French
3. its long winded

Latin ok, greek sure, even norse, but French?

French are most known for smoking fags and Surrendering.

While it may very well be the proverbial "Coup De Grace" or even the "Pièce de résistance" that doesnt exactly strike as a fitting name for a bad ass American made firearm and engineering work of art. typical nomenclature being summed up in one word. Nucleus, Archimedes, mousingfield, etc. normally not a phrase or saying.

I digress, this is your baby. call it whatever you you like. the action makes the name, the name doesnt make the action. I already have 2 of your actions and a silly name wont keep me from another. even if it is in French.

my.02

 

[RFutch]

I already have a Nuc 1.5 in 6mm Creed. Looking to build another rifle for fun in .223 (I think)

For $100 would it make more sense to just go with another Nuc over this? Aesthetically I really like this offering though.

If fun is what you're looking for then yes 223 is what you want.

 

[AirgunnerPCP]

Why do we care what the name is or it's etymology? As long as it's a good, reliable action that's well supported I'll buy one.

If it bothers you that much just call it the CDG.

 

[25ring]

1. It's French
2. it's French
3. its long winded

Latin ok, greek sure, even norse, but French?

French are most known for smoking fags and Surrendering.

While it may very well be the proverbial "Coup De Grace" or even the "Pièce de résistance" that doesnt exactly strike as a fitting name for a bad ass American made firearm and engineering work of art. typical nomenclature being summed up in one word. Nucleus, Archimedes, mousingfield, etc. normally not a phrase or saying.

I digress, this is your baby. call it whatever you you like. the action makes the name, the name doesnt make the action. I already have 2 of your actions and a silly name wont keep me from another. even if it is in French.

my.02

Maybe it could be renamed " Mow de Lawn".

 

[MilSpecOkie]

I’m in no matter what you name it!

 

[PRSDietitian]

I personally like the name, tbh. I've talked to the ARC guys and a few barrel makers and it seems like some buzz has already started. I know Josh with PVA will be making prefits and the guys at Preferred Barrels said they will as well and if you want to have them make you one pre-emptively, if you put CDG in the comments for the barrel, they'll have it made once they get the tenon print from Ted. Or that's what I was told yesterday. I'm sure guys like Straight jacket will hop on this soon after launch as well so we'll have access to benchmark, bartlein, proof, etc.

 

[Praeger]

Why don't you like the name? If it rubs you the wrong way, I'd like to know why. Always appreciate shared thoughts.

Ted

Am I the only one that loves the action design but hates the name?

while it may very well be the “Coup”, all the other ARC action names i liked.
No offense, but this stamped on the side would literally make me think twice about owning one. This action is too awesome for this name.
And I did buy two of your first Nucleus Gen 1s.
love your stuff Ted, but that’s a head scratcher.

Gotta say the name is clunky. I'm all for a creative name, but that particular expression seems an odd choice, ripe for wide interpretation. Carroll Shelby famously said about naming of the GT350, "The name wouldn’t make the car, and if it is a bad car, the name won’t save it.”

If you're feeling an affectation to our nation's first ally, how about the Rapier or Sabre? Hell, it's a three lug - how about ménage à trois?

 

[MilSpecOkie]

Hell, it's a three lug - how about ménage à trois?

You win the internet today! What do you think Ted? @karagias

 

[leftyk82]

FYI
Ted has linked this thread to his website for potential customers to receive additional information.

 

[carlooa]

I think I’m down for a prepaid preorder as long as I get to go to the factory @karagias also, Bella was great helping me buy a xylo and accessories for my vudoo.

 

[Mike Casselton]

and call it whatever the shot is before the coup de gras.

Gut shot?
I'd probably pass on that name.

 

[Schw15]

I might be wrong here but I think Ted would prolly appreciate it if we kept the talk positive about action and not worry about the name. We don't control that Ted does and he decided already. Let's not derail this thread just in case people are actually looking for info on the new action or price ect.







Not trying to Start anything

 

[Scavokistan]

Why don't you like the name? If it rubs you the wrong way, I'd like to know why. Always appreciate shared thoughts.

Ted

Ted;

a) Your heritage is Greek, not French, and Greek history is ripe with names. E.g., you used Xylo (wood) to name your stock. Aside: you won't see Ferrari naming one of its cars with a French word or term. Speaking of Enzo Ferrari: if you want to be clever, name it Zeno. (Enzo; Zeno; get it?) Besides, Zeno (of Citium) is the name of a Greek philosopher and founder of the Stoic school. ETA: in a similar theme, there's Zeta (a Greek letter).

b) How about Zenith? ("When you reach the zenith, you're at the top, the pinnacle, the summit, the peak.")

c) How about XOR? (Pronounced eks-or) -- goes with Xylo -- XOR is a digital logic operator. But nobody would care about that. Instead, think of it as the X spot on the ten ring (denoted by the O) -- hence its nickname, X-O

I wish you all the best, Ted.

--
Jim K.
Reno, Nevada

 

[spife7980]

I might be wrong here but I think Ted would prolly appreciate it if we kept the talk positive about action and not worry about the name. We don't control that Ted does and he decided already. Let's not derail this thread just in case people are actually looking for info on the new action or price ect.







Not trying to Start anything

 

[st1650]

The name is great, period.

 

[giumau1]

@karagias, will you offer a CDG rifle with the xylo working with AW mags natively?

 

[HemiPowrd]

You win the internet today! What do you think Ted? @karagias

Naming the action after a sex act is probably not in the cards!

 

[RFutch]

Teds prob reading this thinking "and I'm considering doing a pre order for these retards...".

 

[accurate_okie]

I've not done anything long action before and this seems like a good action to start with but I have some questions.

The information page on this says AW mags prefered but not 100% needed, I'm going to assume this is just for the short actions, correct? If not, would the hard stop mentioned be needed sssf mags?

There was no mention of this is going to be a CIP length, but again can I assume it will be since all other ARC actions are? I would like a 300PRC and I'm really only seeing CIP length mags for it. Also the MDT HNT26 has a CIP mag length magwell only in long action 700.

I need more help understanding the trigger adjustment. I plan on using a two stage trigger so is this going to be something for me to worry about? I figure the first stage will absorb any of the "bump."

It seems most everything else is similar to that of a short action.

 

[PRSDietitian]

As far as i know, since all ARC long actions take CIP mags, i dont see this being any different. And the AW is more for smaller/short action rounds, which is also the need for the conical breech for proper feeding. Ted said that isn't needed for larger/magnum rounds because it's not hard to find a larger hole.

 

[accurate_okie]

As far as i know, since all ARC long actions take CIP mags, i dont see this being any different. And the AW is more for smaller/short action rounds, which is also the need for the conical breech for proper feeding. Ted said that isn't needed for larger/magnum rounds because it's not hard to find a larger hole.

So this far my assumptions are correct, thanks.

Now about that trigger adjustment.

 

[Rateoftwist]

People of Earth,

American Rifle Company proudly introduces the Coup De Grâce at the hard to believe introductory price of only $899.

We'll be taking orders soon, probably in about eight weeks once actions are on the shelf.

From the Oxford English Dictionary:

e. coup de grâce n. /ku də ɡras/ [literally stroke of grace] a blow by which one condemned or mortally wounded is ‘put out of his misery’ or dispatched quickly; hence figurative a finishing stroke, one that settles or puts an end to something.

Whether it puts competitors out of their misery or puts and end to the confusion resulting from the myriad of other bolt actions with little or nothing to distinguish one from another, American Rifle Company’s Coup De Grâce is certainly worthy of its name.

Simply put, the Coup De Grâce does more with less and looks great doing it with its beautiful design, DLC and salt bath nitrided finishes.

It’s Rem700 footprint receiver is machined with an integral recoil lug and integral 20 MOA rail.

The three-lug, 70-degree bolt uses interchangeable floating bolt heads and accommodates everything from 223 Rem on up to 338 Lapua.

Receiver and bolt work well with AICS mags but are optimized for incredibly smooth and reliable feeding using AIAW mags and conical breech barrels.

The AIAW mag will hard stop against the bottom of the receiver thus preventing interference with the bolt.

The back of the AICS mag will hard stop against the receiver but if pushed upwards, the forward tips of the feed lips will interfere with the bolt. The mag will be driven down when pushing the bolt forward. An optional forward hard stop for the AICS mag can be placed between the receiver and the stock/chassis.

Receiver-mounted passive (aka mechanical) ejector sends cases out at three o’clock through a large ejection port.

Controlled-round feed extractor grips a large portion of the case rim taking full advantage of the patented pivoting bolt handle that easily pulls even the most stubborn cartridges from the chamber.

The pivoting bolt handle can be swapped out for a fixed handle thus converting the action to one with conventional cam extraction better tolerated by highly sensitive triggers.

The entire bolt assembly is composed of only sixteen parts, but can function with as few as twelve, of which two are springs and one is a ball.

The entire bolt, even the striker assembly, can be disassembled in the field without the use of tools.

A screw-adjustable trigger hanger makes easy work of positioning Rem700 compatible triggers for bump-free bolt closing.

Dual cocking cams reduce friction within the bolt for easier bolt lift.

The bolt knob is our best ever and makes fast cycling really easy. Other knobs can also be adapted to the standard 5/16-24 handle thread.

The circular section of the bolt handle makes sweeping it back easy if that’s your preference.

Robust 9 o’clock bolt release has a direct load path to the receiver which protects the its pivot pin.

Patented toroidal bolt-lug bearing surfaces reduce stress.

The Coup De Grâce is explosively tested for safety at pressures that greatly exceed standard proof loads.

Weight: short action 947 grams (2.1 pounds), long action 1084 grams (2.4 pounds)

Why, you might ask, would we offer the Coup De Grâce at such a low price? Well, let's just say I'm a big fan of decentralized decision making and to that end, I think everyone should have long range rifle built on the best action ever offered by anyone at any price. But that's just me.

Enjoy

Ted

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Nice!!! Great to see another well designed and executed American made product. Thank you sir for your mech e contributions to our shared rifle passions.

 

[BenW]

So this far my assumptions are correct, thanks.

Now about that trigger adjustment.

See post 278 on pg 6, where Ted gave great details on the trigger hanger.
Post in thread 'Coup De Grâce, New Action from American Rifle Company, $899 WOW!'
https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...n-rifle-company-899-wow.7155247/post-10666961

 

[LeftyJason]

Ted;

a) Your heritage is Greek, not French, and Greek history is ripe with names. E.g., you used Xylo (wood) to name your stock. Aside: you won't see Ferrari naming one of its cars with a French word or term. Speaking of Enzo Ferrari: if you want to be clever, name it Zeno. (Enzo; Zeno; get it?) Besides, Zeno (of Citium) is the name of a Greek philosopher and founder of the Stoic school. ETA: in a similar theme, there's Zeta (a Greek letter).

b) How about Zenith? ("When you reach the zenith, you're at the top, the pinnacle, the summit, the peak.")

c) How about XOR? (Pronounced eks-or) -- goes with Xylo -- XOR is a digital logic operator. But nobody would care about that. Instead, think of it as the X spot on the ten ring (denoted by the O) -- hence its nickname, X-O

I wish you all the best, Ted.

--
Jim K.
Reno, Nevada

Zenith was a TV I think and xor is a pronoun these days.

 

[TheOE800]

Zenith was a TV I think

Also a remains to be a Swiss luxury watch brand. Thought we were all richy rich here.

 

[ELR researcher]

Hi, Ted - please tell us about the materials being used for the receiver body and bolt, including RC. Thanks.

 

[Benfield_Precision]

@karagias I like the idea of being able to run a 338 Norma mag for hunting on a carbon barrel and a 33 XC for ELR work. Since the long action comes in the Lapua bolt-face I have some questions.
1. how long is the ejection port?
2. I am thinking 33 XC for caliber, which means I would need to single feed. How well would this CRF action single-feed a round that would likely be 4.00" in length or more?
3. Is the tenon thread the same between long action and short action.

 

[357Max]

The trigger hanger design is brilliant.

 

[JBarton]

@karagias I like the idea of being able to run a 338 Norma mag for hunting on a carbon barrel and a 33 XC for ELR work. Since the long action comes in the Lapua bolt-face I have some questions.
1. how long is the ejection port?
2. I am thinking 33 XC for caliber, which means I would need to single feed. How well would this CRF action single-feed a round that would likely be 4.00" in length or more?
3. Is the tenon thread the same between long action and short action.

I am also thinking about building a 33xc off of this action.

 

[JBoomhauer]

The trigger hanger design is brilliant.

It is clear some thought went into this… Tenon print for example. I am impressed.

 

[accurate_okie]

See post 278 on pg 6, where Ted gave great details on the trigger hanger.
Post in thread 'Coup De Grâce, New Action from American Rifle Company, $899 WOW!'
https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/coup-de-grâce-new-action-from-american-rifle-company-899-wow.7155247/post-10666961

I did and all it showed me was my ignorance of how the 700 works, so I did some research. I do not have a 700 currently to see it first hand so i had to watch some animations.

Best I can tell, is that when the bolt is closed hard and fast on a light trigger the sear will bump down allowing the cocking mechanism to to move forward and having a dead rifle with a loaded round. Do I understand that correctly?

If so, then a two stage trigger should absorb that downward force of the sear in the first stage on a normal action but can be adjusted forward and back tohelp with this.

I think it is something that I would easily understand if I had it in my hand.

 

[BenW]

I did and all it showed me was my ignorance of how the 700 works, so I did some research. I do not have a 700 currently to see it first hand so i had to watch some animations.

Best I can tell, is that when the bolt is closed hard and fast on a light trigger the sear will bump down allowing the cocking mechanism to to move forward and having a dead rifle with a loaded round. Do I understand that correctly?

If so, then a two stage trigger should absorb that downward force of the sear in the first stage on a normal action but can be adjusted forward and back tohelp with this.

I think it is something that I would easily understand if I had it in my hand.

You’re on the wrong track. The adjustability in the hanger is to control how far forward/back the U-shaped cocking piece on the bolt engages the sear at the top of the trigger assembly. If the two make contact before the bolt is fully forward, the last bit of forward motion in the bolt will cock the firing pin an additional amount (cock on close). The feeling in the bolt when this happens is undesirable for people who don’t run the bolt fast. Being adjustable allows tailoring of the sear/cocking piece engagement timing, hopefully cutting down on the complaints Ted hears.
There should never be a time when the cocking piece misses the sear, no matter whether your trigger is single or 2 stage.

 

[D_Lamz]

I might have missed it but can this run on non CIP length LA aics mags?

 

[S3th]

Ted when you film your video going over the action please discuss the pivoting bolt handle vs. fixed. I have no idea which is "best" for me.

 

[4O6shootist]

You’re on the wrong track. The adjustability in the hanger is to control how far forward/back the U-shaped cocking piece on the bolt engages the sear at the top of the trigger assembly. If the two make contact before the bolt is fully forward, the last bit of forward motion in the bolt will cock the firing pin an additional amount (cock on close). The feeling in the bolt when this happens is undesirable for people who don’t run the bolt fast. Being adjustable allows tailoring of the sear/cocking piece engagement timing, hopefully cutting down on the complaints Ted hears.
There should never be a time when the cocking piece misses the sear, no matter whether your trigger is single or 2 stage.

It'd be brilliant of Ted to design adjustable pin fall into an action with the same adjustable hanger, you could properly time the action simply without machining. I mean you can adjust firing pin protrusion on the nucleus g2. The man is quite innovative!