Rifle Scopes Crosshairs/duplex reticle...what’s the use???

[boisepaw]

Sit back and enjoy this...the dumbest question of the day.

Today I was shooting steel animal silhouettes at 200, 300, 385 and 500 meters. My scope is 6 - 24 magnification, nice clear glass, capped turrets with 8 clicks per MOA with no zero stop and a basic crosshairs with a hint of duplexing on the crosshairs. No other gradations to help with hold.

So at 500 yards I’m shooting at a ram that is 13 ½ inches tall. I figured it would be no big deal on full magnification.

HAH! With my load I could either take of the caps and dial over eighty clicks and hope I didn’t mis-count or try to hold 47 inches above the mid-point of the ram. And I needed to do that with 10 shots to be modestly successful.

i wasn’t very successful.

Making me wonder what the heck would be a good use of the scope.

Any ideas?

 

[Huskydriver]

Shooting a deer/elk at 150-250 yards with.30-06.......

 

[Quicksilver338]

Duplex reticles are great for low magnification scopes where quick target acquisition is needed. Mainly working at close ranges...beyond that as you have found not very useful. Now take that with a grain of salt...your large limitation here is capped elevation turret and 1/8moa adjustments...

 

[Clearlight]

^ yep, 0-300 boiler room shots on game on low-ish mag.

 

[408w]

Hunting and general target shooting. Long range shooting is a drop in the bucket compared to what most people use a scope for.

 

[Rob01]

Why are you counting clicks? Use the numbers on the elevation turret. Counting clicks is one of those things people learn to not do over time. Also talking in inches when using a scope.

As to the reticle, people have mentioned purposes. If it doesn't fit your need anymore then sell it and buy what does. Life is too short to use the wrong tools for the job.

 

[Powder_Burns]

Set a max point blank range zero for a fudd scope. Pretty much just for bagging deer over a food plot.

 

[Quicksilver338]

Fudd scope

 

[Powder_Burns]

Fudd scope = capped turrets, duplex or bdc reticle, high gloss black or stainless finish, graduated in 1/4 moa with a 1” tube.

 

[erwos]

There are a lot of scopes out there that are terribly ill-thought-out or are simply old and obsolete. Scopes with duplex reticles and capped turrets fall into that category. As someone else has already said, sell that scope and get something that makes sense.

 

[wade2big]

Fudd scope = capped turrets, duplex or bdc reticle, high gloss black or stainless finish, graduated in 1/4 moa with a 1” tube.

Perfect tool for many applications.

 

[wade2big]

A Leopold 3-9x40 is probably the most fielded scope in the USA for a reason. They are cheap and reliable. They are light and compact. The thick duplex reticle is easy to see in all conditions including inside timber and low light with no batteries required. With a 200 yard or Point blank zero they allow a shooter to put meat in the freezer with ease out to 400 yards with a bit of practice with simple holdovers.

If your game is different then use a different scope. I have a wide variety that I use and all do things better and worse than the next. Calling someone a fudd because he uses a tool that fits his needs is moronic.

 

[Powder_Burns]

Its a fudd scope, I have several. PBR zero and shoot. Its not for dialing corrections to +1000yd. Its for bagging game within 300yd. This was already hashed out.

 

[Quicksilver338]

A Leopold 3-9x40 is probably the most fielded scope in the USA for a reason. They are cheap and reliable. They are light and compact. The thick duplex reticle is easy to see in all conditions including inside timber and low light with no batteries required. With a 200 yard or Point blank zero they allow a shooter to put meat in the freezer with ease out to 400 yards with a bit of practice with simple holdovers.

If your game is different then use a different scope. I have a wide variety that I use and all do things better and worse than the next. Calling someone a fudd because he uses a tool that fits his needs is moronic.

I think you are taking it out of context. While maybe a little extreme a fudd scope is just as you stated. Simplified and with respect “dumbed down”. You don’t think about anything, requires no skill set to use to an extent, and as you and others have mentioned is used in closer conditions. I would agree it is probably the most widely used scope, most people hunt within 400yds and this scope will do fine for them. Reliable is a subjective field....will that scope hold up for what the intended purpose is? Yes...but if you start slinging turrets like a prs competition it’s probably not going to track well or hold zero. So once again your comment is out of context, the OP was complaining about his scope at 500yds where it’s completely out of its element. It seems everyone here has already agreed to your comment of saying within its qualified purpose, it’s good at what it’s meant for. So I’m not sure where your moronic comment comes from or the tone of defending yourself. Do you own a fudd scope and took offense to that?

 

[wade2big]

I think you are taking it out of context. While maybe a little extreme a fudd scope is just as you stated. Simplified and with respect “dumbed down”. You don’t think about anything, requires no skill set to use to an extent, and as you and others have mentioned is used in closer conditions. I would agree it is probably the most widely used scope, most people hunt within 400yds and this scope will do fine for them. Reliable is a subjective field....will that scope hold up for what the intended purpose is? Yes...but if you start slinging turrets like a prs competition it’s probably not going to track well or hold zero. So once again your comment is out of context, the OP was complaining about his scope at 500yds where it’s completely out of its element. It seems everyone here has already agreed to your comment of saying within its qualified purpose, it’s good at what it’s meant for. So I’m not sure where your moronic comment comes from or the tone of defending yourself. Do you own a fudd scope and took offense to that?

I took no offense buttercups. There were several posts in this thread and more yet to come that used the word fudd and a thousand more on this site which I was referencing. I also was referencing the OP’s post as well. You would know that if you would reread my post and can comprehend it.

As far as my scopes are concerned i have every type made except night vision scopes. To say that the hunting scope is dumbed down and requires no skill is asinine. There are many guys that can put one in the boiler room of a game animal at several hundred yards while another may still be dialing his scope. I’m sure that can go the other way as well. Takes practice either way. If you know your holds good hits can be achieved at mid range distances that also happen to be where most game will be taken regardless of skillset. These scopes aren't meant to dial and if PRS is your game or target shooting out to distance then of course they aren't the right scope.

I was making a point. I was not telling people they are wrong for any personal choice they make regarding a damn scope. The guys that think everyone needs to think like them regarding firearms are the real “Fudds.” Good grief.

 

[wade2big]

Its a fudd scope, I have several. PBR zero and shoot. Its not for dialing corrections to +1000yd. Its for bagging game within 300yd. This was already hashed out.

No shit. I addressed that in my first post as well minus the fudd part. Did you not read it either. Lol

 

[Powder_Burns]

No shit. I addressed that in my first post as well minus the fudd part. Did you not read it either. Lol

No, I addressed that in my first post. We are all in agreement here, you are just being disagreeable.

 

[wade2big]

No, I addressed that in my first post. We are all in agreement here, you are just being disagreeable.

I just left the pit. Riles me up a bit. I need to wait at least 15 minutes before I post upstairs. Lol

 

[Quicksilver338]

I took no offense buttercups. There were several posts in this thread and more yet to come that used the word fudd and a thousand more on this site which I was referencing. I also was referencing the OP’s post as well. You would know that if you would reread my post and can comprehend it.

As far as my scopes are concerned i have every type made except night vision scopes. To say that the hunting scope is dumbed down and requires no skill is asinine. There are many guys that can put one in the boiler room of a game animal at several hundred yards while another may still be dialing his scope. I’m sure that can go the other way as well. Takes practice either way. If you know your holds good hits can be achieved at mid range distances that also happen to be where most game will be taken regardless of skillset. These scopes aren't meant to dial and if PRS is your game or target shooting out to distance then of course they aren't the right scope.

I was making a point. I was not telling people they are wrong for any personal choice they make regarding a damn scope. The guys that think everyone needs to think like them regarding firearms are the real “Fudds.” Good grief.

Point noted, now take a breather

 

[Steel head]

Fudd scope = capped turrets, duplex or bdc reticle, high gloss black or stainless finish, graduated in 1/4 moa with a 1” tube.

Nothing wrong with capped turrets on a lot of applications.

 

[Simonsza1]

I have a fine duplex on a vx6hd with cds dial that’s perfect for my load. Simple aiming point for hunting and a quick twist on the cds and I’m money! I have some older scopes with duplex that fall more in the fudd category but only use those rifles with pbz or some minor Kentucky windage.

 

[Quicksilver338]

Kentucky windage has killed a lot of stuff!

 

[beetroot]

It would seem that a simple duplex reticle is still very popular for your average hunter, Leupold used to offer a good range of reticles in their VX5/VX6 scopes but now only offer plain duplex and firedot duplex even with a dialable elevation turret.

On a scope you intend to dial for elevation I don't see why you would buy a plain duplex, the Leupold Windplex or Swarovski 4w seem like far better options too me.
I guess the majority of hunters disagree...

 

[boisepaw]

Since that question got so much action...here’s my next really dumb question.

What does “fudd” mean or stand for?

Just trying to figure out if I should be personally offended...something that would be pretty hard to do.

 

[Powder_Burns]

Elmer Fudd. Its slang for a typical hunter. ie a fudd gun is one that is marketed to or set up for hunters. It can be used perjoratively, but thats usually from people who target/br only and look down on the hunting side of the house.

 

[Rob01]

 

[Huskydriver]

A Fudd....Generally uses a duplex reticle...only believes in moa cuz mil is of the devil European nonsense ....

Only believes in the Lord's two chosen calibers of .30-06 or .308 win....all others are inferior.

Believes in "sensible gun control" as long as they can keep their gran daddy's this here Remington 700

 

[IrishWind]

Now now. Fudd's also accept cartridges that another Fudd created based off military brass into something else, like 7mm-08 or .270, then spend the next two years convincing gun magazine to proselytize to the readership this is the best cartridge (chambered in the gun who bought the most full color ads in the last year) any hunter could want or need.

 

[JakeM]

A Fudd....Generally uses a duplex reticle...only believes in moa cuz mil is of the devil European nonsense ....

Only believes in the Lord's two chosen calibers of .30-06 or .308 win....all others are inferior.

Believes in "sensible gun control" as long as they can keep their gran daddy's this here Remington 700

Except for anything Weatherby

 

[Simonsza1]

How quickly the op post goes awry

 

[pmclaine]

Check out post #113 in this thread....

FBI Sniper Rifles

I don’t know know about those (Secret Service) rifles, but I did note the Leupold scope in post 96 is actually a fixed power 10x scope with M1 turrets (not variable power). The 2nd picture sort of shows the large font logo on the bottom of scope, so it’s possibly an old scope, maybe even the old...

www.snipershide.com

and see how you can use your duplex reticle.

What you seek to do can be done.