CZ 457

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mikeshaw2 said:
All righty then! I've decided my BMR isn't quite the right tool for the job for PRS style matches.

I've got a line on a 457 in an at-one stock for a decent price.

What am I getting that's different than a BMR? I know about the adjustable stock, but the rest?

M
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I can't say anything bad about the BMR as I've not owned one (yet). Still, having several B14R's and three 457;s ad have researched the BMR.
-Differences are that you'll get a 60 vs 90 deg bolt throw. Bolt throw is very easy/smooth as well. Then you have the ability to swap out the barrel and or stock . (You can even change calibers if you want.) I believe you'll get more weight out of the box with the cz too. Lastly, lots availability of accessories, ( stocks, barrels, triggers, rails, ................)
Otherwise they both offer:
- Good to excellent accuracy out of the box with the right ammo.
- Reliability of mag and action is VG .
- Triggers on both are very adjustable and able to get down into the 1# range. Less if you change the spring.
 
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WeeHooker said:
I can't say anything bad about the BMR as I've not owned one (yet). Still, having several B14R's and three 457;s ad have researched the BMR.
-Differences are that you'll get a 60 vs 90 deg bolt throw. Bolt throw is very easy/smooth as well. Then you have the ability to swap out the barrel and or stock . (You can even change calibers if you want.) I believe you'll get more weight out of the box with the cz too. Lastly, lots availability of accessories, ( stocks, barrels, triggers, rails, ................)
Otherwise they both offer:
- Good to excellent accuracy out of the box with the right ammo.
- Reliability of mag and action is VG .
- Triggers on both are very adjustable and able to get down into the 1# range. Less if you change the spring.
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My BMR is an accurate, light, little rifle. It just isn't quite the right tool for the PRS job.

Not the first time I've bought something only to realize I didn't get quite the right thing. It's not bad. Just not the right thing Like when I was bringing an 1187 to the Wobble Trap stand. Did the job, just wasn't quite right. The older Citori I got from a buddy isn't quite right either, but it's closer than a semi-auto.

This 457 may not be either, but it'll be closer

M
 
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mikeshaw2 said:
My BMR is an accurate, light, little rifle. It just isn't quite the right tool for the PRS job.

Not the first time I've bought something only to realize I didn't get quite the right thing. It's not bad. Just not the right thing Like when I was bringing an 1187 to the Wobble Trap stand. Did the job, just wasn't quite right. The older Citori I got from a buddy isn't quite right either, but it's closer than a semi-auto.

This 457 may not be either, but it'll be closer

M
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I agree, the CZ 457 is not the right tool for the Job.
If you want to have fun and be competitive go to several events and see what everyone is using and ask questions. Reading forums gives you an idea what to research but is not reality, it's mostly a waste of time. Going cheap for a production rifle and trying to upgrade it to make it work is a waste of money and time.
This is not a cheap hobby so buying the right custom rifle is well worth the investment. Do it right and you will be proud of your accomplishments for years. Learning to improve your skills shooting top tier hardware is easy & enjoyable. Don't be average, just do it right the first time and be a winner. Buying cheap production hardware is frustrating when it doesn't perform, but you knew that it was junk when you bought it. Its embarrassing when your range buddies all shake their heads and laugh saying "we told you it was a POS". Have fun on your journey in finding the right stuff.
 
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bwall57 said:
I agree, the CZ 457 is not the right tool for the Job.
If you want to have fun and be competitive go to several events and see what everyone is using and ask questions. Reading forums gives you an idea what to research but is not reality, it's mostly a waste of time. Going cheap for a production rifle and trying to upgrade it to make it work is a waste of money and time.
This is not a cheap hobby so buying the right custom rifle is well worth the investment. Do it right and you will be proud of your accomplishments for years. Learning to improve your skills shooting top tier hardware is easy & enjoyable. Don't be average, just do it right the first time and be a winner. Buying cheap production hardware is frustrating when it doesn't perform, but you knew that it was junk when you bought it. Its embarrassing when your range buddies all shake their heads and laugh saying "we told you it was a POS". Have fun on your journey in finding the right stuff.
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I strongly suspect that I'll be shooting the CZ for years before I find that it's the rifle holding me back.

Just like it'll be years before the Citori is holding me back

M
 
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Took my new Varmint MTR to the range today. I shot 150 rds of SK std +, Pistol Match, and Cx. I can’t say I’m impressed, but it’s early. Time will tell. I know it takes several hundred rds before they start shooting consistent. Hope the time and effort was worth it.
 
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mikeshaw2 said:
I strongly suspect that I'll be shooting the CZ for years before I find that it's the rifle holding me back.

Just like it'll be years before the Citori is holding me back

M
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I hear you but I just couldn't do the upgrade plan anymore. I have spent tons of money replacing triggers, barrels and chassis to get something that works. Upgrades are really a bad ROI. I decided not support or buy any brands that are made overseas. No spare parts and the lack of support for the US. Offshore shops like CZ, Bargara, Anschutz & Savage are old school antiques that are highly marketed, over priced, mass produced, low quality hardware. I wasted thousands over the years chasing the bargain.
I have cleared the deck of the old world iron and have re tooled the fleet with the state of the art equipment designed and CNC machined here in the USA. Rim X, VGW & Volquartsen that are superior to the inferior old world antiques tools. I did it right this time and bought the top of the line made in the USA brands that I'm proud to have the and support our outstanding patriots that make them. Good luck with CZ, I hope that you can find the springs and non avaiable parts to keep it running. I found that CZ' s are just like having that special 1985 Yugo that were know for their stellar reputation for being economical but fell short on QC and design.
 
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bwall57 said:
I hear you but I just couldn't do the upgrade plan anymore. I have spent tons of money replacing triggers, barrels and chassis to get something that works. Upgrades are really a bad ROI. I decided not support or buy any brands that are made overseas. No spare parts and the lack of support for the US. Offshore shops like CZ, Bargara, Anschutz & Savage are old school antiques that are highly marketed, over priced, mass produced, low quality hardware. I wasted thousands over the years chasing the bargain.
I have cleared the deck of the old world iron and have re tooled the fleet with the state of the art equipment designed and CNC machined here in the USA. Rim X, VGW & Volquartsen that are superior to the inferior old world antiques tools. I did it right this time and bought the top of the line made in the USA brands that I'm proud to have the and support our outstanding patriots that make them. Good luck with CZ, I hope that you can find the springs and non avaiable parts to keep it running. I found that CZ' s are just like having that special 1985 Yugo that were know for their stellar reputation for being economical but fell short on QC and design.
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I'm a cyclist. I didn't start out knowing that Dura Ace was worth it. I didn't realize that $300 bib shorts are indeed better than $30 bib shorts. I have that experience, but I don't have either the skills or the budget for any of the 'fancy' rifles right now. I realize that people that shoot them shoot them for a reason. I've got some (a lot!) of shooting to do before the rifle's the thing that's holding me back.

I've also gotten to the point in my riding where I'm fine with 90-some odd percent of the quality for half (ish) of the price of the top end stuff. ...especially if I'm racing the stuff.

So: next question: do Arca rails fit on the bottom of the At-One stock that comes on a 457?

M
 
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gkgeiger said:
Took my new Varmint MTR to the range today. I shot 150 rds of SK std +, Pistol Match, and Cx. I can’t say I’m impressed, but it’s early. Time will tell. I know it takes several hundred rds before they start shooting consistent. Hope the time and effort was worth it.
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I don't remember if I posted this here, but I tried out 11 different kinds of ammo to see what my BMR liked. Center X and SK in the red box were 1 and 2. TAC22 was 3. My wallet likes TAC22 so that and CCI std velocity are what I shoot.

Mind you, I'm not shooting bench rest so relatively accurate is ok with me

M
 
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mikeshaw2 said:
I'm a cyclist. I didn't start out knowing that Dura Ace was worth it. I didn't realize that $300 bib shorts are indeed better than $30 bib shorts. I have that experience, but I don't have either the skills or the budget for any of the 'fancy' rifles right now. I realize that people that shoot them shoot them for a reason. I've got some (a lot!) of shooting to do before the rifle's the thing that's holding me back.

I've also gotten to the point in my riding where I'm fine with 90-some odd percent of the quality for half (ish) of the price of the top end stuff. ...especially if I'm racing the stuff.

So: next question: do Arca rails fit on the bottom of the At-One stock that comes on a 457?

M
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Here is an ARCA rail on this Bodys stock, probably a 14 in long rail. You might want to touch base with him to see if he liked it. In his last video he accnounced that the CZ 457 was sold and that he is moving up the food chain to a B14R and has a Vudoo 360 on order. Looks like the CZ fell short in the NLR22 game. I agree with you comment, its always a trade off betewwn cost vs perfromance. Base as on where we are in life its time to do it right and buy the best while you still can use it. Buying a custom rig that has the right stuff in the long run is really cheaper than continously swapping the consumer grade toys.
 
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bwall57 said:
Here is an ARCA rail on this Bodys stock, probably a 14 in long rail. You might want to touch base with him to see if he liked it. In his last video he accnounced that the CZ 457 was sold and that he is moving up the food chain to a B14R and has a Vudoo 360 on order. Looks like the CZ fell short in the NLR22 game. I
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bwall57 said:
agree with you comment, its always a trade off betewwn cost vs perfromance. Base as on where we are in life its time to do it right and buy the best while you still can use it. Buying a custom rig that has the right stuff in the long run is really cheaper than continously swapping the consumer grade toys.
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bwall57 said:
Here is an ARCA rail on this Bodys stock, probably a 14 in long rail. You might want to touch base with him to see if he liked it. In his last video he accnounced that the CZ 457 was sold and that he is moving up the food chain to a B14R and has a Vudoo 360 on order. Looks like the CZ fell short in the NLR22 game. I agree with you comment, its always a trade off betewwn cost vs perfromance. Base as on where we are in life its time to do it right and buy the best while you still can use it. Buying a custom rig that has the right stuff in the long run is really cheaper than continously swapping the consumer grade toys.
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You obviously have an axe to grind with Cz. Fwiw, I own a 457 with a lilja barrel and 2 vudoos. The 457 is every bit as accurate as the vudoos are and is a very capable rifle. Josh from persuit of accuracy has won many awards with his 457, to say he’s moving up the food chain to a b14 is laughable.
 
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JohnTheFisherman said:
You obviously have an axe to grind with Cz. Fwiw, I own a 457 with a lilja barrel and 2 vudoos. The 457 is every bit as accurate as the vudoos are and is a very capable rifle. Josh from persuit of accuracy has won many awards with his 457, to say he’s moving up the food chain to a b14 is laughable.
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that brings up the question: how much more accurate do you need than 'accurate?'

If I'm at the range, sitting at a bench with time to let the HR settle out (4-5 sec for me) I can hold pretty tight groups at 100 yds like the guy in the video. Throw me into a MARS match trying to hit a crab 10-12x at 109 yards off a bucket in 90sec and if you miss, you have to move? Trying to hit a target at 195 yards off a hanging web ladder? etc Both are different stories.

IDK the exact answer to that first question either

M
 
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Next n00b question: Picatinny rails

I inherited some picatinny rails from a buddy that say they fit a Thompson Center rifle. Is there some kind of standard spacing or is it like the bicycle business where everything's proprietary?

M
 
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JohnTheFisherman said:
You obviously have an axe to grind with Cz. Fwiw, I own a 457 with a lilja barrel and 2 vudoos. The 457 is every bit as accurate as the vudoos are and is a very capable rifle. Josh from persuit of accuracy has won many awards with his 457, to say he’s moving up the food chain to a b14 is laughable.
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It's enjoyable seeing others taking the journey that we have all experienced in learning the skills and knowledge to get the POI=POA. The real skill today is all about creating quality entertainment and getting loyal subscribers to ring the bell so vendors can justify providing testing hardware. Soft selling is an art that few can do. Using drama and controversy along with live chats are the keys to success in shooting for free and making money in doing so. With a Go pro and a 22 rifle you are testing expert. The real skill is to weed out the BS and select the right equipment. I too have a pair of each brand in Manners, and MPA furniture with Lilja, IBI and Bartein, Krieger barrels. I am really impressed with your resume and the ability to own a stable of good tools. I am sure that a B14R is headed your way as you chase the need for accuracy. There are several shops fixing the B14R and installing good barrels to make them shoot. The CZ is also called "good" when everything has been replaced with after market parts. In the end you can never out shoot the barrel and its really a wind game. Good luck with the B14R. LOL They are all good if you have one; its called brand loyalty and the reward is that little sticker that's in every box.
 
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Picked up the At One today. Seems I fat-fingered the button and clicked on the 24" version. Aah well. I'll shoot it and see before deciding on having someone lop 4" off the end of the barrel.

Always easier to cut it shorter later. Very difficult to add it back

Heavier rifle than the BMR by far and that's without the Venom and the bipod on it

M
 
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mikeshaw2 said:
Picked up the At One today. Seems I fat-fingered the button and clicked on the 24" version. Aah well. I'll shoot it and see before deciding on having someone lop 4" off the end of the barrel.

Always easier to cut it shorter later. Very difficult to add it back

Heavier rifle than the BMR by far and that's without the Venom and the bipod on it

M
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If your fast and are really regretting it, you might be able to call and get your order changed. I've found most shops don't ship for a couple of days. Still, the 24" version is scarcer than the 16.5", if you hate it, it likely won't be hard to sell off the barrel and replace it with a factory takeoff ( or custom) in a shorter length. . That said, I always found it odd that this model isn't offered in the 20" barrel length as well . Seems like that's the happy place for allot of .22 rifle buyers. FWIW, I have two CZ 457's. One custom build (22") and a Royal (20"). I wouldn't sell either for more than I paid for them. In fact, I'm considering a third.
In any case, keep us posted on how you like it!
 
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You will love the 24".
'Big is good' sort of thing.
I use my 24" Varmint for benchrest, and it's fine.
Maybe a tad long if you went hunting through the shrubbery though.
Just a few days ago removed the At-One stock and stuck on an Oryx chassis.
Only because I can make the Oryx fit my body better, and the straight trigger pull I now get is great for my dodgy right hand and trigger finger.
 
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So I missed the first NRL Hunter match in my area in March because wife and I had our first baby the week before. After that match the facility announced they’d be holding a one day NRL22x match in NRL Hunter format. Well well time to jump into a 22. Better not spend too much. Whoops. Like every rifle ever, it got away from me a bit.

CZ 457 VPT
18.5” Area 419 Lilja
Timney Trigger at 10oz
Area 419 Bolt Knob
12” Area 419 ARCA Rail
SCAR 35 MOA Rail
ARC M10 Rings
Meopta Optika6 4.5-27x50 MRAD1
Anarchy Outdoors Extended Mag Release

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I tested 17 kinds of ammo with the factory barrel:

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While there are some good groups here, i wasn’t that impressed with 100 yard+ groups. I just happened to see a FB post about Area 419 getting the Liljas in stock last week. I had planned on shooting Midas+ but the Lilja just really liked Tenex at 50 so I have a couple bricks coming to test out. If I do stay with Midas+, it should be fine as I also had a .62” 5 shot group at 100 and a 1.18” 5 shot group at 200 with the Midas+. We’ll see if the Tenex holds at longer range.


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ChrisAU said:
So I missed the first NRL Hunter match in my area in March because wife and I had our first baby the week before. After that match the facility announced they’d be holding a one day NRL22x match in NRL Hunter format. Well well time to jump into a 22. Better not spend too much. Whoops. Like every rifle ever, it got away from me a bit.

CZ 457 VPT
18.5” Area 419 Lilja
Timney Trigger at 10oz
Area 419 Bolt Knob
12” Area 419 ARCA Rail
SCAR 35 MOA Rail
ARC M10 Rings
Meopta Optika6 4.5-27x50 MRAD1
Anarchy Outdoors Extended Mag Release

GwEQqkt.jpg


IOwqdMt.jpg


I tested 17 kinds of ammo with the factory barrel:

1FYgIPo.jpg


While there are some good groups here, i wasn’t that impressed with 100 yard+ groups. I just happened to see a FB post about Area 419 getting the Liljas in stock last week. I had planned on shooting Midas+ but the Lilja just really liked Tenex at 50 so I have a couple bricks coming to test out. If I do stay with Midas+, it should be fine as I also had a .62” 5 shot group at 100 and a 1.18” 5 shot group at 200 with the Midas+. We’ll see if the Tenex holds at longer range.


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I'd say for hitting steel, any of those are great. As long as they're consistently hitting the same spot anyway

...at least in my n00b opinion. Someone with more experience can correct me if I'm wrong.

Unless you're shooting benchrest

M
 
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mikeshaw2 said:
I'd say for hitting steel, any of those are great. As long as they're consistently hitting the same spot anyway

...at least in my n00b opinion. Someone with more experience can correct me if I'm wrong.

Unless you're shooting benchrest

M
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Its the out to 300 part that is tricky. Small groups get big in a hurry ha.
 
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It's hard to believe that mags for a 457 are THIS freaking expensive. Geez! You'd think they were made out of gold or something!

Just ordered 2 mags and an Anarchy Outdoors 3 round extension for one of them. Flush another $100 down the rabbit hole

M
 
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gkgeiger said:
Took my new Varmint MTR to the range today. I shot 150 rds of SK std +, Pistol Match, and Cx. I can’t say I’m impressed, but it’s early. Time will tell. I know it takes several hundred rds before they start shooting consistent. Hope the time and effort was worth it.
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Well, after another box of Ammo, I won a club match. Now I think it has potential. Shot 4650 on 2 ARA cards with a good lot of CX in a tough wind.
 
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Any lefties here? CZ just released the 457 American & Varmint models in LH configuration. Debating picking up a Varmint or waiting to see if a Precision Trainer is in the works too. Either way, I'm pretty pleased to see new LH models with threaded barrels being released. I've been waiting a long time for T1x LH's to come on the market and I think I'll be just as pleased with this.
 
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Shot my 457 for the first time today. I think it's a hair more accurate than the BMR, but it's close.

The screws holding the rail on worked their way loose, so the last 100yd shots are suspect.

Should be a fun time shooting the thing

M
 
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Putting together a Xmas present and I realize that when I took the 457 action out of the donor stock, I misplaced the action lug/shim. What are its dimensions? I can get reverse engineer it, I guess.

Does the lug do anything in a full metal chassis like an MDT?
 
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FromMyColdDeadHand said:
Putting together a Xmas present and I realize that when I took the 457 action out of the donor stock, I misplaced the action lug/shim. What are its dimensions? I can get reverse engineer it, I guess.

Does the lug do anything in a full metal chassis like an MDT?
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Dang!
That so called lug is just a loose “key” that is way easy to lose or misplace. First time I removed my action, I put things back together without it and found it after I was done. Easy to do.

I’m not even near home for a week or so, or I’d take mine out and make a sketch for you.
 
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That wee lug is...18mm x 12mm x 5mm.
Yes, it's Metric sizing.
Won't need to be real tough steel to make it. A wee bit of 5mm (3/16") thick mild steel would probably be fine.
Re the chassis...if the chassis has a slot for the lug then yes, bung in a lug.
Found this pic online. It's a top view and shows the rounded shape of the lug ends.
Make sure that when finished you don't make the lug too tall as the action will then bed down on the lug, and not onto the chassis. You could be safe and make your lug only ~11.5mm tall?
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