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CZ 457
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When I put my 457 action into a MDT chassis, I used the recoil lug. IIRC, it isn't really held tightly by the chassis or the action? In a stock or in a chassis, should it be bedded somehow? Seems like it should have a set screw from above or front back to lock it into place?
The lug seems to be a check item on CZ design list- Recoil Lug, Check. It doesn't seem that it adds any 'recoil' action? Is it to help keep people from crushing wooden stocks?
The lug seems to be a check item on CZ design list- Recoil Lug, Check. It doesn't seem that it adds any 'recoil' action? Is it to help keep people from crushing wooden stocks?
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I have chased those things all over my shop floor and was wondering the same thing, I have been tempted to epoxy that thing in to the receiver several times.
I have chased those things all over my shop floor and was wondering the same thing, I have been tempted to epoxy that thing in to the receiver several times.
There is a manufacturers video out there saying to put the action into chassis loosely/untightened first. Then you bang the butt of the rifle down to set the action, recoil lug and chassis tightly (rearward) before torqueing. Vudoo and others recommend the same with other actions. Makes sense. That's what I have been doing with all my rifles including my cz's
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Interesting, since I put some pretty good backward/down pressure on the barrel action when I set it in the ACC chassis. I don't think the gun rattles, so the lug must be somewhat secure.
I would agree. Nothing moves when it's all torqued down. I do think that getting the recoil lug hard against the faying surfaces of the receiver and stock (in the direction of recoil) is a good precaution though.
Interestingly enough, the XLR chassis I bought came with it's own 457 recoil lug. It fits so tight , it had to be snapped in! Really getting tempted to keep it and start another 457 build!
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Bad idea of the day. When putting in a barrel, there has to be some clearance between the barrel and the action. Would applying something to the barrel tenon help to keep the barrel better seated? I was thinking that some epoxy would work, but that would glue the barrel to the action.
What about some rosin used on scope rings? Or maybe just some loctite or anti sieze? Something to fill the gap?
Just leave it alone?
What about some rosin used on scope rings? Or maybe just some loctite or anti sieze? Something to fill the gap?
Just leave it alone?
My Lilja shims are now .003 for maybe .039 or .040 HS. Eley or RWS, thats it. My other one .043 with Bartlien for everything else.
Busting my 457 cherry tomorrow. I've been shooting my wife's Savage MKII BTVS with Athlon Ares BTR 4.5-27. It's a good little rig but left me wanting something a bit better.
Got a new CZ 457 VPC MTR. Installed MKM Adaptive Grip w/ thumbrest, Area 419 30 MOA base, 12" universal Arcalock rail, clamp, bolt knob and an Atlas CAL bipod. Did an aluminum tape bedding job on the stock and it's topped off by a 7-35 Leupold MK5 w/Tremor 3 on a LaRue 50 BMG QD mount w/ additional 30 MOA.
Tomorrow will be a full day of ammo testing and data gathering. Can't wait.
Got a new CZ 457 VPC MTR. Installed MKM Adaptive Grip w/ thumbrest, Area 419 30 MOA base, 12" universal Arcalock rail, clamp, bolt knob and an Atlas CAL bipod. Did an aluminum tape bedding job on the stock and it's topped off by a 7-35 Leupold MK5 w/Tremor 3 on a LaRue 50 BMG QD mount w/ additional 30 MOA.
Tomorrow will be a full day of ammo testing and data gathering. Can't wait.
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So I broke down and set up some trainers for Christmas presents (pro varmint and AT1 16”). 2.2 was doing ammo testing at 25m yesterday and just as he finished a fly started walking up the edge of the paper, a bet was made, I lost…but I’m still pretty dang happy.
For shooting middle of the road ammo on hand I’ve been very impressed. They were playing “HORSE” at 100m on some ~2.5 MOA targets and the games went pretty long, finally had to tell them no more prone.
For shooting middle of the road ammo on hand I’ve been very impressed. They were playing “HORSE” at 100m on some ~2.5 MOA targets and the games went pretty long, finally had to tell them no more prone.
I got my self a CZ457 AT-ONE 16.5" barrel - for Christmas with Arken SH4 6-24x50 GEN2(MILS) Atlas bi-pod.. Did some ammo testing yesterday @ 50yds. of Eley Match, Eley Force, Eley Club , Eley semi-auto bench, Aguila Super-extra, CCI sub-sonic and RWS Special Match. wind was about 2 -5 mph, damp with some fog around 35 degrees with some sprinkles of rain here and there... Be back out, weather permitting to test the Wolf Extra Match..
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After installation of a Lilja .22 WMR barrel the bolt on my CZ 457 is very hard to close. I have checked and rechecked everything that I can think of, any ideas other than shipping to Lilja? They have been very helpful in the past but hate to bother them if there is something stupid I'm missing.
Bolt is hard to close without a round in the chamber? I would suggest you have someone else read the instructions and redo/check your math and see if you both arrive at the same figure for your shims.
I don't know for sure but I believe that CZ reserves some upper level wood for the Royal model. They don't all look like the picture but I can say mine has some really nice figure and color throughout..
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No shims needed. When I didn't find shims and didn't unpack the barrel personally I thought that the shims were thrown away with packing but contacted Lilja to purchase them and was told that Lilja .22 WMR barrels don't use shims, chamber is cut to exact SAMMI specs, only their .22LR barrels use shims. Hence my post, I didn't want to contact Lilja and sound like a dumb-ass twice.
I had problems with bolt guide. You had to change mags and take out shim, I'd check around there
First time shooting my MTR. Slight breeze and upper 20’s to low 30’s. This was 50 yards with federal gold match.
Looks like you got a good shooter with some nicely colored wood too. Love my MTR VPT as well. Enjoy it.
My third 457 gave a good showing the other night for a short barreled gun. ARA Factory class, 5 card match. 2440 Agg. I’m relatively new to bench rest so I was thrilled with that.
and I bought my fourth 457 at the match. There isn’t a 24” barreled 457 @1 or VPT to be had in the country so I think I scored with this used one. I would have preferred a VPT, but I wanted a longer barrel to better buck the wind.
and I bought my fourth 457 at the match. There isn’t a 24” barreled 457 @1 or VPT to be had in the country so I think I scored with this used one. I would have preferred a VPT, but I wanted a longer barrel to better buck the wind.
Can the Manners stock, for the 457, be bought separately? I am considering purchasing a Varmint that already has a Lilja barrel on it. It has a nice piece of wood on it that I would like to sell to help offset the cost of a tactical style stock. I shoot Grayboe Renegades on my centerfire rifles and would like to replicate them as closely as possible. The Manners is the best I have seen so far.
Unless your getting a smoking deal on the CZ Varmint, you might be better off to buy a 457 MTR in the manors stock and replace the barrel if/when you feel the need. Seems the barrels are easier to find than the stocks. That said, you could also buy both rifles and parts out what you don't want. I've found that resale on CZ 457 components is pretty good.
Thanks guys. Looks like the MTR is probably the way to go and hope for the best on the factory barrel. Bass Pro/Cabelas has them in stock, ready to ship to a nearby store.
Take a look at this. The description says 16.5" barrel but the picture clearly shows a longer barrel. I wonder which one would actually show up? I am not interested in the 16.5".
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Probably a file picture. The longer barrel versions haven’t been available for quite a while. I was lucky to get the 24” but the 20.5” might be the best
It's common for adds to have a picture that is not 100% accurate. Both the description and part number on the Cabela's website refer to the 16.5" model so that's what should ship. FWIW, 24" are getting really rare .
That’s not a rest. It’s a Sinclair F Class bipod. It connects to the sling stud, very popular in ARA factory class. Here’s my Varmint MTR at a match.
I bought a 457 VPT a couple of years ago - already had 457 American & Varmint MTR, both of which I'd fitted & chambered Shilen ratchet bbls for - but wanted the Manners stock, since my V-22s & Rim-X rifles are in Manners PRS1T stocks, and I like them a lot. The VPT's 24" factory bbl had accuracy issues, so instead of rebarreling it, I just moved the MTR/Shilen bbl'd action over into the VPT's Manners stock, then put the take-off MTR bbl over into the VPT action. It headspaced fine in that action, and actually shoots just a little better than it had when I had it in the MTR action.
A few months ago, I was browsing Manner's online inventory, and they had four of their fully inletted modified PRS1T stocks listed for the CZ457. There are none listed currently, so you're probably SOL where getting one in a hurry is concerned. And once you see the list price for this stock, buying a complete 457 VPT becomes a more attractive way to get into that stock.
I’ve posted picture of this rifle in the past, started out as an MTR w/ a vortex gen 2 3-18. But as I’ve become more addicted to shooting it, it’s evolved. Hindsight being 20/20 I wish I would have just bought the cheapest 457 offering - as I wasn’t expecting to want to do much to it.
Anyone have a proof barrel for theirs? I just recently received it and haven’t shot much out of it aside from bull cheaper ammo. I did pick up some Midas +, and 2 different SK offerings but haven’t had a chance to try it out yet. Curious as to what the barrel tends to like.
If you had bought the cheapest offering, what stock would you have used? I don't really want to go with a chassis and can't find many other quality offerings.
Well since all the actions are the same, you’re paying for the barrel and stock. And considering I don’t use the MTR stock or barrel, it didn’t make sense financially to pay for that particular rifle.
I don’t have any experiences with any of the chassis; I’m more of a stock kind of guy. One that’s usually readily available and reasonably priced is the KRG bravo, and the occasionally pop up on here used for decent prices. I was going to go that route before I found this Manners.
Haven’t had a chance to use the Manners yet, just got it about a week ago, but I’m sure I’ll love it. I have a Manners on my 224v bolt gun and love it.
Find me someone who doesn’t like a manners though and I’ll show you a crazy person
So here is my dilemma, recently received a CZ 457 Pro Varmint and show it twice in 85 degrees breezy 50 yard range with SK Rifle Match. I had sighted in at 25 and was comfortable. The 16.5 in barrel was good, didn't keep the target so no proof. Placed it in a KRG Bravo stock torqued to 35 lbs. It did well, quite well. Here is the situation though, I was able to place an order on a 20 inch Lilja barrel for the CZ. I'm wondering if I will see any real improvement over the factory barrel. Am I tempting fate screwing on the Lilja? I could have shot better; cheek weld was always off, bag to small, that guy next to me screaming etc etc etc. Thoughts?
regards,
regards,
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I decided to keep Lilja shims at .003 now to find out what speed.I zeroed with Eley match at 1065. Doesn't like 1067, good groups with 1084 shooting about 3/4" high which I expected. R50 ( 1092) good groups but 1 1/2 low???, R100 ( 1135 )almost center??? Scratch my head?? Couple days later it was decent enough to grab chronograph . Magnetospeed V3, new batteries, sensitivity 7, 10 shot groups. Eley match ( 1065) averaged 1104,( 1067) avg. 1100,( 1084 )avg. 1128, R50 ( box 1092) 1085 that why it shot low, R100 ( 1135) 1126 ( could only get 2 before it wouldn't eject fried shells). Eley was faster and it slowed down RWS?? Went home had lunch, rested my eyes for about 1 hr.. Snow tomorrow- so I grabbed my other CZ with Bartlein barrel and back to range ( same town 15-20 min.). Same settings on MAgspeed, mostly 10 shot groups. R50 ( 1092) avg.1054, R100 (1135) avg 1086,SK long range (?) avg 1055,Fed. gold medal UM (1080) avg 1066, Midas +(1076) avg 1003,RWS special match( 1085?) avg 1032????? So Bartlein barrel with match? chamber slowed down every round I fired. Why- anyone
Nice shooting. Where you at SGL 43 by chance? That bench and location look very familiar.
Not exactly. I live about 55 miles away in Jersey, but I like going there. I spent about five hours there last Tuesday sighting some optics and trying out a new MagnetoSpeed. There are no public ranges anywhere close to me.
I'm curious if that range was there before people built houses so close. Even on a cold day like last week the range was busy the entire time.
I’m about a 30 minute drive but it’s not too bad.
I was there Monday and Tuesday of last week, busy both days. Tuesday the temp gauge in my truck said 16° and I got there at 7:30, set up my stuff and waited until 8 to start shooting. By the time 8 came around I was one of 4 guys there.
Elverson is an OK SGL. It’s absolutely filthy which is why non shooters oppose them. There’s brass and steel cases everywhere. Nobody pulls their targets down and they just get shredded on the backstops. I commonly shoot at SGL ranges since there are a few I can get to within a 45 minute drive. 43 might be the worst of them.
Idk why but both times I’ve been there, there’s been guys shooting groups at 25 yards with 30-06, 7mm and a 300 win mag. I dont understand it. I asked the 300 win mag guy if he was sighting in he said no, just testing his setup and making sure it still shot good.
He never brought it to the 50 or 100 yard lanes either. Had to be one of the most bizarre things I’ve seen there
