Daniel Defense bolt action

[m6z]

Anyone have any info on this?



The stock looks magpulish. Looks likes its going to be offered in 308 (20") 6.5 (24"), and 7mm-08 (24"), threaded barrel, AICS mags, timney trigger, 9ish lbs 20moa rail. $2199 msrp

 

[Hollywood 6mm]

7-08 is an interesting choice. I know that particular certridge has its fans, but the popularity compared to 308 and 6.5 is pretty weak.

 

[hypno02]

Hard pass. Marty Daniel and his marketing company specializing in firearms mfg can fuck right off.

 

[atomic41]

Interesting for sure, DD makes good stuff and this might be another great option for getting people into precision shooting.

More competition in the market is good for us! It's a great time to be into guns!

 

[Stooxie]

7-08 is an interesting choice. I know that particular certridge has its fans, but the popularity compared to 308 and 6.5 is pretty weak.

And there's no good reason for that. 7mm-08 is a terrific cartridge with noticeably less recoil than 308 (even if not much difference on paper). With 120gr bullets going upwards of 2,900 to 3,000 fps it's a soft shooting deer slayer.

The 6.5s are getting all the marketing because gun and barrel manufacturers don't make any money if people aren't convinced that their current calibers no longer work. So they made everything about high BCs and long distance shooting and now perfectly awesome calibers are dismissed as "running out of gas past 800 yards."

To your point, interesting that DD chose that as an option, but I'm glad they did. Truly an under appreciated load. I would say 7mm-08 is more popular as a hunting cartridge, hopefully they offer some configurations that would work well for those uses.

-Stooxie

 

[Areeves08]

I wonder if they'll offer any advantage over a Seekins Havok? You've really got the same thing, an MSR company entering the precision game. Seekins already knew precision through rings and such, but what about DD? I thinks Seekins new rifle in the KRG Bravo is going to be killer.

 

[BR7.62]

I have to wonder about Dd and Seekins entering the bolt gun market.
I know ar market is slow now but wondering if they see the writing on the wall as far as "assault weapons" bans in the future.
There's already plenty of guns in this niche.
Anyways more options is always better.

 

[Hollywood 6mm]

And there's no good reason for that. 7mm-08 is a terrific cartridge with noticeably less recoil than 308 (even if not much difference on paper). With 120gr bullets going upwards of 2,900 to 3,000 fps it's a soft shooting deer slayer.

The 6.5s are getting all the marketing because gun and barrel manufacturers don't make any money if people aren't convinced that their current calibers no longer work. So they made everything about high BCs and long distance shooting and now perfectly awesome calibers are dismissed as "running out of gas past 800 yards."

To your point, interesting that DD chose that as an option, but I'm glad they did. Truly an under appreciated load. I would say 7mm-08 is more popular as a hunting cartridge, hopefully they offer some configurations that would work well for those uses.

-Stooxie

I'd say the success of the 6 and 6.5 Creedmoor has far more to do with proper planning by Hornady and rifle manufacturers to launch a cartridge intended for LR shooting that had factory match ammo being produced from very early on. How often do you see 7-08 ammo in a gun store? How often do you see 7-08 match grade ammo in gun stores? Now think about how often you see them in places like Wal-Mart.

I get the feeling that you're correct that it may have been chosen to appeal to hunters, but there's not much you can do with a 7-08 that can't also be done with a 6.5 Creedmoor - and with better factory ammo selection to boot.

 

[Precisiondada]

Basically a CTR w/ AICS Mags, a 20moa rail, and a Timney for $1000 more?

 

[Stooxie]

How often do you see 7-08 ammo in a gun store? How often do you see 7-08 match grade ammo in gun stores? Now think about how often you see them in places like Wal-Mart.

Always, at least around me. Are match rifle shooters and 1000 yard shooters looking to Walmart to supply their ammo?

I think you're 100% correct on Hornady being smart about collaborating within the industry.

-Stooxie

 

[Hollywood 6mm]

Always, at least around me. Are match rifle shooters and 1000 yard shooters looking to Walmart to supply their ammo?

I think you're 100% correct on Hornady being smart about collaborating within the industry.

-Stooxie

I'm thinking more about hunters and casual shooters when it comes to LGS and WalMart. I see some 7-08 around my part of the country, but you could easily bury the 7-08 stocks on shelves with the amount of 6.5 Creedmoor that's on the same shelves. Match shooters are likely buying in bulk online or reloading.
I'd also point out that you don't really see much 7-08 in PRS matches.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

I like the 7mm, but I want it to outperform my .260 (from the same case) by a substantial margin. Maybe the .284, or .280, depending on your preferred action length.

BTW, does anyone consider the .284 to be a candidate for the AR system? I look at it as the original SA Magnum.

Greg

 

[gamewarden]

 

[Sogan]

Ehh probably not for me but I guess we will see what they have to offer

 

[TonyTheTiger]

Thats not a great picture but the stock looks butt fugly.

 

[mark5pt56]

Really surprised they didn't go with a chassis. Adjustable, folding, etc.

 

[Olen_4504]

looks similar to the bravo. two piece plastic stock? forend and buttstock sections?

 

[atomic41]

Looks like a thumbhole stock. They tried to cover it, but you can see the bottom edge continues all the way to the grip. I would assume it's a chassis style with an aluminum bedding block like everything else now?

 

[m6z]

So far, I'm not impressed.

 

[gsd1983]

Im not even impressed with their AR’s, and then they drop this steamer?

Hard pass.

 

[VegasHKShooter]

It’s a VERY crowded market, filled with some solid players. I feel like now is a TOUGH time to try to break into any market firearms related. The saturation point is here I feel. BUT Marty sure didn’t ask me. Growth and competition continues to keep the market healthy, and is better for the consumer.

 

[mikethetiger55]

And there's no good reason for that. 7mm-08 is a terrific cartridge with noticeably less recoil than 308 (even if not much difference on paper). With 120gr bullets going upwards of 2,900 to 3,000 fps it's a soft shooting deer slayer.

The 6.5s are getting all the marketing because gun and barrel manufacturers don't make any money if people aren't convinced that their current calibers no longer work. So they made everything about high BCs and long distance shooting and now perfectly awesome calibers are dismissed as "running out of gas past 800 yards."

To your point, interesting that DD chose that as an option, but I'm glad they did. Truly an under appreciated load. I would say 7mm-08 is more popular as a hunting cartridge, hopefully they offer some configurations that would work well for those uses.

-Stooxie

I agree 100%. I wish more companies offered 7mm-08 in their rifle offerings. While 6.5 is the flavor of the month, most of the ammo offerings are focused on match ammo. The little 7mm-08 has a wide array of hunting rounds available from 120-160 grain which is great for someone like myself who is primarily a hunter and doesn't reload. I have multiple 6.5 s but always find myself reaching for either a 7mm-08 or 7mag when it's time to go in the woods as neither have ever failed me in all of my years of hunting. And yes, I have never had an issue getting ammo in my neck of the woods.

Love the offering but not the biggest fan of DD. As a consumer it is definitely nice to see more competition.

 

[jljr23]

Hard pass. Marty Daniel and his marketing company specializing in firearms mfg can fuck right off.

What he said. Since he came out with his bullshit and showed his true colors, he can get bent. I don't care how good his rifles are.

 

[enichols]

What he said. Since he came out with his bullshit and showed his true colors, he can get bent. I don't care how good his rifles are.

Could you please elaborate? I am genuinely curious as to what Daniel said.

 

[jljr23]

Could you please elaborate? I am genuinely curious as to what Daniel said.

He went on a campaign diatribe about how we need to "fix nics"

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/03/robert-farago/daniel-defense-fix-nics/

 

[enichols]

Thanks for the link and info, @jljr23

 

[withoutwarning]

Would have expected a chassis like the MPR but whatever, doubtful they will bring anything new to the market. Guess we will wait and see. Just something for the fan boys to sit next to their DD ARs most probably. Which is totally fine. Game on if that’s your thing.
After the anti 2A crap though I’d be steering clear.

 

[ThePretzel]

He went on a campaign diatribe about how we need to "fix nics"

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/03/robert-farago/daniel-defense-fix-nics/

I started reading the article and though, "What's wrong with wanting to do away with NICS?"

Then I read the letter written by him. While I understand the sentiment since many shooters wouldn't have passed a background check had better reporting practices been in place, it still doesn't do anything besides put an undue burden on law enforcement and medical professionals as well as open up liability if they don't report even the tiniest things (like someone who they think "looks sad", just in case they kill themselves years down the road and the doctors are held liable). Not to mention the whole fact that guns are readily available outside of legal channels for anyone who's motivated.

The rifle itself is alright, but I'm not particularly interested in it. If it's anything like the DD AR-15's and AR-10's it'll just be a Rem700 clone with no extra features, slightly better tolerances, and a boatload of advertising talking about how the gun will "never let you down in harsh conditions" or some crap like that. The stock, and especially the bag riding portion of the buttstock, looks really awkward and clunky compared to just about everything else on the market.

I just can't see any reason (besides being a fan of the brand) to buy this over something like a Bergara B14 HMR that has a similar design, is less than half the price, and has a proven track record of being a solid shooter.