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and there comes a point that form factor, price and integration push it all in the same direction weather they want to go there or notOn a long enough timeline, the demand signals of use and what the market demands make cookie cutters of many things. AR companies and Glock imitators abound.
-Stan
I don’t have any other sm besides what this qualifies as.Just got an email.
Watch Proof’s social media this afternoon.
The answer will be unequivocally stated.
Share email?Just got an email.
Watch Proof’s social media this afternoon.
The answer will be unequivocally stated.
Share email?
My bad, didn't realize you were balls deep with Proof. Thought it was an email sent via Proof's newsletter.No.
Seems less than cool to share an email sent to an individual regarding business decisions.
Just be patient.
My bad, didn't realize you were balls deep with Proof. Thought it was an email sent via Proof's newsletter.
Bravo proofPer Proof:
“With 100% truth and honesty, Proof is not for sale. We have been hearing the rumor as well. Our majority owner and board has had offers from big companies in the defense space over the past few years and we have always turned them down. We have made it clear, this isn’t for sale. Our CEO and I even addressed it directly with Bob Beck at SHOT show.”
Damn it! Was really hoping for another shit storm then cry when I can’t buy proof prefits for a good price.Per Proof:
“With 100% truth and honesty, Proof is not for sale. We have been hearing the rumor as well. Our majority owner and board has had offers from big companies in the defense space over the past few years and we have always turned them down. We have made it clear, this isn’t for sale. Our CEO and I even addressed it directly with Bob Beck at SHOT show.”
Stock, check… action, check… barrel? Possibly Check
Stand by for over priced cookie cutter bullshit rifles that are “1,831.43 yds out of the box” riddled with QC issues and customer service that acts like you’re a burden when you inevitably need to call.
Cheer up. Maybe they’ll go after Bartlein barrels…Damn it! Was really hoping for another shit storm then cry when I can’t buy proof prefits for a good price.
Wish I would of seen this before I posted. Oh well. Fuck emgunwerx called...they want their M.O. back
No thank you.I wish they had their sights on Benchmark, Hawkhill, Krieger, etc. Leave Bartlein and Proof alone.
I was directly making a stab at gunwerx and the thought behind pushing the long range “easy button” maybe I should have been more on the nose with it.
I think you nailed it. They can forever kiss my ass and I wasn't even trying to buy a rifle.I was directly making a stab at gunwerx and the thought behind pushing the long range “easy button” maybe I should have been more on the nose with it.
Not me leave those benchmark barrels aloneI wish they had their sights on Benchmark, Hawkhill, Krieger, etc. Leave Bartlein and Proof alone.
Did you hear about hodgdon?well the lack of things to be be pissed at and panic buy now is quite disappointing
They went from a 14 month backlog to opening retail orders within the last month.Maybe their backlog has loosened up after all of this. My brother had a Tenacity on order that they had told him about a month ago would be finished this summer. It arrived at his dealer today.
I’ve heard a lot about how mcmillan would tank… but not so much about it actually doing it.Hey, it’s me, late to the party and derailing a thread as usual (lots of major life changes in the past year so I’ve been a bit distracted w/ those). A ton of comments here about McMillan tanking after a buy out (I assume after Kelly’s passing), what’d I miss there? A TLDR is fine, or even a PM, just curious is all.
2023 might be the year.I’ve heard a lot about how mcmillan would tank… but not so much about it actually doing it.
Several guys have inventory for a few monthsI'm wondering if companies that use Defiance as OEM to their action have any choice in the matter. It's not like they can just buy a different action the way marking variances work. And to set up a new variance could take quite a while. So now these companies have to eat the cost or pass cost on to their customers. Otherwise not sell their own branded actions anymore.
Probably quite a few companies in this situation as Defiance seems to be the most popular OEM for branded actions.
GAP switched to Impact Precision NBK in some of their hunting models just this month.I'm wondering if companies that use Defiance as OEM to their action have any choice in the matter. It's not like they can just buy a different action the way marking variances work. And to set up a new variance could take quite a while. So now these companies have to eat the cost or pass cost on to their customers. Otherwise not sell their own branded actions anymore.
Probably quite a few companies in this situation as Defiance seems to be the most popular OEM for branded actions.
I was told 5 month backlog when I put down a deposit with Defiance over 8 months ago. Still waiting.It would seem to me then that a big chunk of that 14 month backlog was not secured by deposits and when the price increase hit those orders were cancelled. Does that sound right?
Lose a little on every transaction, but make up,for it in volume!Like when Ole and Sven were selling hay for $10 a bale less than they paid for them. Ole said “Sven, I figured out our problem! We need a bigger truck!”
Waited almost a year for my Anti…did want a custom serial number, and some other add-ons though, so knew it’d be a long wait.I was told 5 month backlog when I put down a deposit with Defiance over 8 months ago. Still waiting.
Their production class now run Curtis.GA already switched to Impact
Their production class now run Curtis.
Their production class now run Curtis.
I ordered an action in April 2022 and was given a December 2022 delivery date. They have since changed the delivery date to March. If there had not been an ownership change, you may have lost your deposit and not have ever got an action. The new owner is going to fulfill your order. I wonder if he saw any of your deposit.I was told 5 month backlog when I put down a deposit with Defiance over 8 months ago. Still waiting.
Correct but they are using Curtis in their production which also use to be Defiance.View attachment 8063770
Their Templar which I believe was Defiance made before is now Impact.
As much as we don’t believe it it could have happened.I ordered an action in April 2022 and was given a December 2022 delivery date. They have since changed the delivery date to March. If there had not been an ownership change, you may have lost your deposit and not have ever got an action. The new owner is going to fulfill your order. I wonder if he saw any of your deposit.
no honor from MDT?As much as we don’t believe it it could have happened.
I still have my JAE bankruptcy letter telling me to get fucked
na I don’t think they should saddle themselves with those problems. Life’s not fair then you die, I have a tcs on order anyway. It should come by 25’ or sono honor from MDT?
i wonder if MDT accepts JAE certs we have from right before they closed shop
i'd have thought them acquiring MDT would have included sales to datena I don’t think they should saddle themselves with those problems. Life’s not fair then you die, I have a tcs on order anyway. It should come by 25’ or so
Last I read they acquired the “designs,tools, and patents”i'd have thought them acquiring MDT would have included sales to date
It was reported elsewhere that the Tenacity was being sold at a loss.
If they are losing money making them not making them is better...and now they won't sell... at a bigger loss.
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