Hopeful that DOGE like processes will reach the states soon’ish
Department of Education.. buh bye!!!
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Here is the way that I look at it. The DoE should have never been created. It has done nothing to improve our scores and results. It only exceeds in being communist and trying to ensure equal results for all, which is not going to happen. And then, thanks to the lesbian muslim kenyan president and the potato diaper-in-chief, it was grooming children and sexualizing them and allowing groomers to be teachers. How? Because the "independent"" part of a city's ISD is horseshit.
Yes, a lot of decent people may have worked within that system to do good things. But the end result is crap, waste, and corruption. So, for the DoE employees, you don't have to learn to code. But you might need to apply your skills within the state where you reside. Get closer to the people you are trying to help instead of being a nameless cog in the big machine.
Let school systems be truly independent.
So, yeah, do it my way.
Yes, a lot of decent people may have worked within that system to do good things. But the end result is crap, waste, and corruption. So, for the DoE employees, you don't have to learn to code. But you might need to apply your skills within the state where you reside. Get closer to the people you are trying to help instead of being a nameless cog in the big machine.
Let school systems be truly independent.
So, yeah, do it my way.
I should get a discount since I don’t have kids. When your kids graduate you should also get a discount. It wouldn’t bother me as much if the kids would actually be smart when they graduate instead of being dumb as a box of rocks. IDGAF what the courts say. It’s still robbery.
Answer: The original department was named, "Health, Education & Welfare." They wanted to carve out "Education" for their own purposes so they split it up. The "Department of Education" by itself, and the remnants became the Dept. of "Health & Human Services" in 1979.
Voucher programs. Vouchers for everyone.
Scumbag teacher unions don’t want that. Cause it will show how much they suck and how a competitive free market always yields the best result
Scumbag teacher unions don’t want that. Cause it will show how much they suck and how a competitive free market always yields the best result
Coal mines will be hiring.
Teachers should make as much as prison guards, that might incentivize the teachers to do their jobs. If the teachers and the parents don't do their jobs, prison is in their future.
Do you think so? After the first posts and threads he started about some pedophelic bullshit and getting dog piled for the perversion he deleted the threads and posts. I don't think that AI would do that.
Not really.
But a number of his posts read like factoid littered rambling generalizations produced by chatbots. Kind of a passive aggressive apologetic style, "you see things through your own lens" instead of "you're a fucking idiot".
Teachers should definitely make more and we need better teachers in a lot of places. We also need to flush the system of groomers, not just the trans sex predator kind but also the political, social and culture kind.
My sister was a grade school teacher her entire life, retired now and barely getting by on her pittance of a pension.
Not only do teachers not earn what they deserve but a lot of the good ones spend money out of their own pocket on supplies. So besides getting them more money somebody needs to go through that whole system to find out where the fuck all those tax dollars are going because they're not all going where they need to go.
This is the ulterior motive that nobody is talking about.
There is a whole, huge class of scum in the world that live off zero-value-add markups.
They see that healthcare is a thing that everyone NEEDS at certain points throughout their life- unless you are born in a barn and die of tetanus at age 11 (possibly coming soon to the US?).
Education is a thing that every American NEEDS at least up to Grade 12.
This presents to them a dire PROBLEM- if Healthcare is able to support a ton of fat... utterly useless positions, with Fat Cats on top of them that don't even show up and get FILTHY RICH doing absolutely nothing... WHY IS NOBODY GETTING RICH OFF EDUCATION??
With voucher programs, they can take a non-optional service (Education) hook it up to bottomless-endless-moneystream (our tax dollars), and simply sit back and apply their markups.
And when the same kids fail the same tests, instead of fixing the school, they can just switch the moneystream to a NewCorp and "start again and see what happens."
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The education for children should be tuition based. K-12 and college. If you can't afford to educate your crotch fruit, it's not my problem. You pay when your kids are in school, college or whatever. When they graduate, you're done paying.
Bureaucracy
County level administrators here get $500+k. Plus $1000 month for cell phone and $30k for car.
Insane
I’m as libertarian as it gets.
But we need schools.
They just need free market privatized.
Your points are all bs
Voucher programs work every time they are tried. Teachers unions / democrats kill them.
There are 187 studies on impact of education choice – and the results are overwhelming
If you had these odds, you’d buy a lottery ticket. This is the week each year that we celebrate education choice. Those across the political spectrum have recognized the need to provide kids with more options, whether they be public, private, religious, charter or magnet. Education choice means...
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College and healthcare are both out of control on price due to government interference.
There’s a pile of people getting rich in education. Open your eyes
Are you hoping to hook up to one of these new moneystreams??
The cost of healthcare exploded because it is non-optional, and health insurance is non-optional, and they are hooked up to Federal, State, and Local funds.
The cost of post-secondary-education exploded because it is (mostly) non-optional, and Students were encouraged to go heavily into debt (that they pay off to lenders over a lifetime, but the schools get over 4 years), and they are hooked up to Federal, State, and Local funds.
Schooling up to secondary education is primarily funded by local property taxes. In Urban areas, you will likely see an improvement... though not commensurate with the added expense.
In Rural areas? You're going to see the same Mrs. Krabappel teaching the same lessons, but with a BrainCorp ID-lanyard on. She will get paid the same, and now she will have janitorial responsibilities for her assigned workspace added to her position description. The same kids will earn the same scores.
But costs will explode. How come? Because you just allowed a zero-value-add Player to set up a toll booth in front of a non-optional service. Your taxes pay the toll.
The people who told you that this is a good idea are the people who just have no reason to even be anywhere in the process- "Healthcare Guys" who are not Doctors and don't know anything about Medicine (Brian Thompson), and "Education Gals" who are not Teachers and don't know anything about Schooling (Betsy DeVos).
It's a very simple scam.
No. Insurance got like they because the organized crime oligarchy made it so only a few companies could offer insurance.
You don’t seem to understand what a true free market is
No, I know exactly what it is.
You got the wool pulled over your eyes by a Scam Artist- the same building that is your-local-elementary school or perhaps a new, cheap prefab structure (they like to use trailers!) will have the same kids that live in your area being taught the same lessons by the same fully qualified & credentialed person in that locality... but their pay stub has a company name on the top and, their retirement goes into "the market" via a 401K.
The PROBLEM is now solved though for that scumbag who was asking, "OK... but where in the process do I apply my markups? I am entitled to make my profits off of this non-optional service."
You’re too retarded to converse with.
Unions always have a worse outcome for those that actually have to pay the bill
Yes... heheheh... snicker... because Unions don't exist in "private industry."
Did they tell you that???
There are absolutely things schools need to function. But huge sportsball stadiums and the like along with the associated ongoing costs isn’t one of them. Raising bonds and property taxes to cover profligate spending is simply theft.
The teachers unions and the government types hate and fight school vouchers the most because that would be the best solution
You have kids that need to go to school, you get a voucher for xxx amount that is payable to the accredited school of your choice and if you want your kids to go to a fancier school, then you can cover the difference, otherwise they go to the standard city school.
NO sports programs on the standard city schools that require any extra money or taxes.
No other fancy B.S. stuff either.
If you don't have any kids, then you should get most of your taxes back or if you want be able to have a voucher given to you for a similar amount to use for your own continuing education if you so wish.
You have kids that need to go to school, you get a voucher for xxx amount that is payable to the accredited school of your choice and if you want your kids to go to a fancier school, then you can cover the difference, otherwise they go to the standard city school.
NO sports programs on the standard city schools that require any extra money or taxes.
No other fancy B.S. stuff either.
If you don't have any kids, then you should get most of your taxes back or if you want be able to have a voucher given to you for a similar amount to use for your own continuing education if you so wish.
This is too DELISH not to explore... but the way that more-than-one-member has now framed the problem is Unions vs. For Profit.
Did it get sold to you that way, and that's what you memorized?
The Unions are an element, but that's a "Lunch to Apples" comparison instead of an "Apples to Oranges to Pears" comparison. Lunch is not going away- it's what we are talking about.
Technically, there are no "Government Employee Unions" because it is not possible for Gov to engage in "bargaining" on the behalf of "management" because Gov can not go out of business. "Government Employee Unions" are "Organized Crime Syndicates."
The same fully qualified & credentialed persons in the labor market, in that locality, with membership in the same Union will now be engaged in TRUE bargaining for the first time ever... but other than permitting a zero-value-add middleman to apply his markups, not much is going to change.
UNLESS... part of the solution involves unqualified and uncredentialed labor. I can't think of anyone who would want that... unless...
Did it get sold to you that way, and that's what you memorized?
The Unions are an element, but that's a "Lunch to Apples" comparison instead of an "Apples to Oranges to Pears" comparison. Lunch is not going away- it's what we are talking about.
Technically, there are no "Government Employee Unions" because it is not possible for Gov to engage in "bargaining" on the behalf of "management" because Gov can not go out of business. "Government Employee Unions" are "Organized Crime Syndicates."
The same fully qualified & credentialed persons in the labor market, in that locality, with membership in the same Union will now be engaged in TRUE bargaining for the first time ever... but other than permitting a zero-value-add middleman to apply his markups, not much is going to change.
UNLESS... part of the solution involves unqualified and uncredentialed labor. I can't think of anyone who would want that... unless...
Exactly. In the Midwest they have bond votes for $20million high school stadiums. The town turds vote for it. The rural land owners pay for it through massive property tax increases
Why don’t you look up what Baltimore city pays per pupil for outcomes that include 90 percent illiteracy rates
Then look up what the private schools there charge.
You are just misinformed if you truly believe what you type
What's even worse is that we had a similar situation in a town of 1,000 next to me. They wanted a new school back during the Obama admin when they were offering low rates for such things. Huge kerfuffle about it, but it got voted in. Guess who voted for it? Renters of homes in the community, who comprise a significant number of the population. Guess who's rent went up and they bitched, evidently the thought they were immune to the consequences.
And they one they tore down was built like a brick shithouse - it took serious equipment to get it down. It was still a fully functional building.
Not without the enforcement arm of the badged gang and the decrees of robed parasites.Yes... heheheh... snicker... because Unions don't exist in "private industry."
Did they tell you that???
More problems caused by government / suffrage
He’s only stinking up this thread because @GreenGO Juan just wrecked his shit in the Ukraine thread.
Yep Apartment dwellers and renters should be banned from voting on anything that involves property taxes or bonds in any manner.
Same thing happens here with all the idiots and then they complain about "the cost of living crisis" after they you know just voted in like a billion dollars of bonds thinking all "those rich home owners and landlords" will be the only ones paying...
Are you just assuming that it's a big number... or do you actually know the number?
Do you even know where to look it up???
Rather than draw out your humiliation, it's $23,862.
Search for Public School Districts - District Detail for
Use the Search For Public School Districts locator to retrieve information on all U.S. public school districts. This data is collected annually directly from State Education Agencies (SEAs).
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NOW... in your brokebrain logic... when the Union strikes up a deal with SchoolCorp, LLC to teach the kids either in the same building (charter school takeover-style) or a new building that gets constructed and rolled into the cost... is there magical faerie dust involved in getting some Lil' Yummie who spends 10 hours a day stealing Kias, doing drugs, having sex, mumble-rapping, and murdering people... to pass standardized testing?
Let me guess... literacy testing goes away as part of the plan, right?
Good job retard
Do you think public or private has a better outcome ?
Private is half the price
Trump Calls for Department of Education to Be 'Closed Immediately'
President Donald Trump said he wanted the Department of Education to be "closed immediately," describing it as a "big con job."www.breitbart.com
This is pretty unequivocal….
And how long have we been saying here on SH that the Dept of Ed. Is a corrupt scam and has destroyed education.
Put education in the states and communities!!!
I can hear the Rheeeeee from the NEA already…. Then again, those commies may see this as an opportunity and attempt to take over the states with their huge union-dues-paid pockets.
What was the saying in 1991? The Bear is dead, but now the woods are full of snakes?
The level of vigilance at the state level and among localities is going to have to get turned up to 11 so as to not get their schools taken over by the brainwashers…
And at least 2 generations of teachers and administrators are now brainwashed, greenie socialists. And many dumber than sacks of hair… there to teach the tests, stamp out critical thinking and push DEI and climate BS as education.
While this is a welcome move, it’s also time to make sure it doesn’t end up wayyyyy worse under some whackjob state legislators and administrators.
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I’m concerned how this plays out in MN which is plump full of libtards.
Look everybody!!! It’s Green Go Juan’s new CHICOM bitch.
Website is looking very fake, my dude.
Baltimore CIty or Baltimore County?
The average cost per pupil in Baltimore City public schools is $23,862, not $15,133.
A cursory search also reveals that private school tuition runs $20K to $40K per pupil in Baltimore City, depending on grade level.
As for the outcomes? The K-12 public schooling that I attended beats a lot of for profit schools in both actual standardized testing results and future outcomes... including the ones right there in the same area- and those are truly pricey.
Are you trying to construct an argument that putting a toll booth between the parents and teachers makes the kids smarter?
What exactly are you trying to articulate?
Government throwing tax payer money at a problem doesn’t make it better. Private contractors with good anti corruption policies always results in a better outcome. 10x the work done for half the price
Private school dumbass
Yes very sketch site. My dude. What a douchebag you are
half the price. 10x the outcome
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HOLY SHIT- Full Agreement!!
Wait... did you just reverse your argument then??
"Work done" hahaha. I'll bet.
Literally costs close to double:
Affording Gilman | Admissions | Gilman School
Learn about tuition and tuition assistance at Gilman School.
www.gilman.edu
$39,820 (9-12) vs. $23,862
Solid list of high-achieving alumni though... including Luigi himself!!!
Extremely sketchy... I agree!!!
Both the school itself and... THERE'S THAT FAKE WEBSITE AGAIN!!!
Here is the real one:
The real tuition is $13,990- but there is nothing past 8th grade offered... so not a good comparison since that's when costs per student go up.
...and when you say 10x the "outcome" though, do you mean in terms of profit for the no-value-added middleman?
School of the Cathedral seems to have no notable alumni at all, ever, who went on to accomplish anything.
How are you calculating these metrics? Or are you just talking out of your ass?
There’s a difference between a xl and a king ranch or platinum. Done arguing with the retard. Baltimore
City private schools cost half of what the taxpayers
Pay for government schools. And it’s undeniable the outcome is 100x better
City private schools cost half of what the taxpayers
Pay for government schools. And it’s undeniable the outcome is 100x better
Wait... the outcome is 100x better now?
How are you calculating this??? lol
The school you referenced has never had any alumni go on to do anything of note, ever.
Is the "outcome" better for the student, or better for the no-value-added middleman who gets to mark up education?
You actually screwed yourself by picking Baltimore.
Those Lil' Yummies stealing cars and toting the Glizzy with the Switchy are not going to be solving algebra proofs or drawing single-celled organisms once TeachCorp, LLC sets up a toll booth and starts marking up the teacher's salaries for profit.
Costs will go up... results will stay about the same.
To that I would say gain more self awareness. I've been in a couple of roles I thought might run to my retirement. Welcome to the world everyone else occupies. Adapt or die. A lot of people in these orgs knew they were skating or that the whole org could go away and no one would notice. Sometimes reality hits hard. Gain skills that make you valuable. Dei manager or teaching LGBTQ concepts probably isn't high on the list. Communist tendencies are also not in fashion.
Looks like the Department of Education is still being funded in the next budget:
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Trump can sign it or not but he doesn't have complete control over what's in it.
Did you get all that gibberish out of your autographed copy of Mao’s Red book?HOLY SHIT- Full Agreement!!
Wait... did you just reverse your argument then??
"Work done" hahaha. I'll bet.
Literally costs close to double:
Affording Gilman | Admissions | Gilman School
Learn about tuition and tuition assistance at Gilman School.
$39,820 (9-12) vs. $23,862
Solid list of high-achieving alumni though... including Luigi himself!!!
Extremely sketchy... I agree!!!
Both the school itself and... THERE'S THAT FAKE WEBSITE AGAIN!!!
Here is the real one:
The real tuition is $13,990- but there is nothing past 8th grade offered... so not a good comparison since that's when costs per student go up.
...and when you say 10x the "outcome" though, do you mean in terms of profit for the no-value-added middleman?
School of the Cathedral seems to have no notable alumni at all, ever, who went on to accomplish anything.
How are you calculating these metrics? Or are you just talking out of your ass?
