It happens all the time, unlike police, for reasons beyond me, doctors even carry malpractice insurance.
You do know those aren't criminal prosecutions?
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Derek Chauvin 'defense'
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You do know those aren't criminal prosecutions?
He wasn't abused he wasn't neglected. All you're doing is parroting BS from the news because of your own latent emotional issues.
The fact is, had Floyd not been a criminal Thug breaking the law he would absolutely be alive ever guards to the police issue. There is absolutely zero evidence that suggests Floyd would be alive had Derek's actions not occurred... absolutely zero evidence whatsoever, only a maybe possibly opinion.
Have you ever dealt with anybody that's got a fentanyl OD?
I don’t watch the news
I don’t have emotional issues, heck I’ve been accused of not having emotions lol. I just expect more from police
And taking drugs and trying to pass a BS $20, we ain’t talking that he was trying to plant a nuke, dude needed to get booked, but the use of force on that tub of lard was waaay over the top. Should have just cuffed him and sat him on the curb till EMS got there, twas not rocket surgery.
And yes.
Frankly if all criminals would take large amounts of fentanyl cops wouldn’t even need weapons, just scoop them up like a wet noodle and take the them to the ED cuffed to a stretcher lol
Optically which is better? Dog scares druggie to death or cop kneels on druggies neck until dead? It would be impossible to prosecute a cop for their dog giving someone a heart attack where it was pretty easy to throw this dude in jail for murder when now they have to prove one way or the other of how he actually died. OD or the knee on neck.
Still not the same.
With medical errors being third (arguably*) in the leading cause of death, when was the last time a doc was prosecuted for causing a patient's death?
*no matter what the true position is, it's much higher than for cops.
Food for thought:
1. High fairly large individual resisting arrest. - police get control of said individual
2. Large aggressive agitated crowd gathering. 4 officers attempting to keep suspect controlled while at the same time keeping an eye on the crowd and their surroundings.
3. Shit suspect now stops moving. Crowd becoming more aggressive and agitated. Still 4 officers to “control the situation”.
4. No pulse. Crowd still agitated, yelling, being aggressive. What do we do now? Divert 2 of our officers to perform CPR leaving 2 for crowd control or wait until EMS arrives to take medical care of perp.
Wouldn’t then the crowd be just as guilty of causing GFs death sense it was their actions as well that caused medical aid not to be timely rendered? Heck the medics did a scoop and run because of the crowd safety concerns.
1. High fairly large individual resisting arrest. - police get control of said individual
2. Large aggressive agitated crowd gathering. 4 officers attempting to keep suspect controlled while at the same time keeping an eye on the crowd and their surroundings.
3. Shit suspect now stops moving. Crowd becoming more aggressive and agitated. Still 4 officers to “control the situation”.
4. No pulse. Crowd still agitated, yelling, being aggressive. What do we do now? Divert 2 of our officers to perform CPR leaving 2 for crowd control or wait until EMS arrives to take medical care of perp.
Wouldn’t then the crowd be just as guilty of causing GFs death sense it was their actions as well that caused medical aid not to be timely rendered? Heck the medics did a scoop and run because of the crowd safety concerns.
Cuff him, push him to a seated position on the curb and step back while saying “EMS is coming, just relax”.
Zero threat to police, great optics, and it’s getting him help while also taking a criminal into custody.
Patient Information: Prone Positioning for Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS)
This JAMA Patient Page describes the technique of prone positioning during acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), the possible benefits of prone positioning for patients hospitalized with COVID-19, and the risks involved.
jamanetwork.com
How many high suspects have you fought?
My guess is zero if you think the above is true.
Out of the ones ODing on opioids, zero
Unless you count them falling on you lol
You have the video of where Floyd was doing back flips and round house kicks like Bruce lee? I missed that.
You've referred to him as fat/overweight (maybe others have too) several times and that might have been a contributing factor in his death. Did I miss something? All the pictures of Floyd I've ever seen he looks pretty muscular and well built. He was certainly a really big guy, and would be hard to handle physically regardless, but my impression is that he was quite muscular.
Patient Information: Prone Positioning for Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS)
This JAMA Patient Page describes the technique of prone positioning during acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), the possible benefits of prone positioning for patients hospitalized with COVID-19, and the risks involved.
This is discussing a clinical setting and appears to be addressing a Pt who’s on a vent. I also missed the part about having the nurse kneel on their back
But in the street, in that setting, cuffed sitting on the curb, cop calmly and professionally saying EMS is coming just relax, no screaming or beating on him, I think that would have been best, I’d wager he would have made it, no one would have ever heard of his name.
Ether way, spilled milk now, be interesting to see how this case ends, though I don’t think it will matter much
All assumptions and there’s no way of knowing it would have gone that way.
I can only imagine the news articles now if they let a K9 chew on some black dude in hand cuffs. You can’t seriously think that would sit well and be a good idea. Plenty of departments have gotten sued for controlled bites when there’s not cell phones pointing at them and recording to go viral.
Have you watched all the videos of what led up to him being on the ground? There’s convenience store surveillance and body cam footage, and body came footage when they’re out of the store at the suspect vehicle and the entire arrest and initially putting him in the cruiser and when he starts fucking himself up in the back seat. Watch all of it and tell me where they could have let a K9 lose on him and it would have been justified.
It was a shitty situation and I don’t think a K9 would have changed the outcome and neither did any of those officers apparently.
You stoopid basturd, you honestly don't know fuck about fuck, but you don't even know that either. Hilarious.
Keep struggling with this. It's actually a tad humorous. You have ZERO experience with this shit and just don't know what you don't know. But you THINK you know, so off you go flapping your cock holster, ad nauseum.
Your shit is weak my little piscatorial piss ant. Weak!
Now please STFU. Fucking bandwidth thief.
Right.
So again... I will ask you to point out your exact point of contention.
Do you want to be a little insult yapping dog, or can you have a conversation like men do?
I have already covered this.
Do you know for certain the bill was counterfeit?
If it was did Floyd know it was counterfeit?
You are starting in the middle and skipping past the whole innocent until proven guilty in a court of law to get to your predetermined outcome.
I see a lot of posts claiming others are lefties and of questionable mental capacity, I find these supposed highly intelligent people are seriously lacking in understanding of the principle of innocent until proven guilty. They seem to be lacking just as much as the lefties do with "shall not be infringed"!
The questions I posed above should have been asked in a court, but that would require Floyd get his day in court, like it or not the police did not even do the barest of minimum to ensure that end. They fell far short and now a jury of their peers will decide what their fate will be.
You fucking idiot. Why do you assume you and your bullshit is worthy of ANY serious cognitive thought? Don't answer that, please. It's plainly rhetorical. I'm pretty certain any stupid unreasoned response will be in the ballpark.
Tool.
You can’t have a battle of wits with an unarmed person, nor can you reason with a stubborn moron that has already made up there mind.
It’s quite obvious that you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about so for the sanity of everyone else it’s just easier to make fun of stupid people until they give up and go away.
Word.
If he had ANY experience in this I'd prolly hand feed the stupid fucker. But I ain't into babysitting adults and spoon feeding them.
Wait.
Wut
Jeebuz, snug up the mainsheet a little. You're drifting off course.Word.
If he had ANY experience in this I'd prolly hand feed the stupid fucker. But I ain't into babysitting adults and spoon feeding them.
Wait.
Wut
Well jeez, I just heard on NPR this morning, the defense they have presented was that Floyd died from poor health. Makes some of these illformed fuckwits seem like god damn geniuses.
Jeebuz, snug up the mainsheet a little. You're drifting off course.
You're right. Pulling over and checking tire pressure.
I hope his lawyers have a better plan than that.
I've been following this defense lawyer's analysis of the trial. He seems to be holding the more objective role from an attorney's standpoint of view, so far his coverage has been the best I've seen.
As a n=1 defense attorney, he is having a hard time seeing the state's case leading to anything remotely close to M2/M3, and he's even questioning if they'll satisfy manslaughter:
As a n=1 defense attorney, he is having a hard time seeing the state's case leading to anything remotely close to M2/M3, and he's even questioning if they'll satisfy manslaughter:
Word.
If he had ANY experience in this I'd prolly hand feed the stupid fucker. But I ain't into babysitting adults and spoon feeding them.
Wait.
Wut
And you got nothing...just child like insults.
Why did George's family already get $27 million bucks from the City already before the jury has ruled? Something stinks right there. Maybe I am wrong and I may well be, but, it is what I read on the internet News. Politicians trying to keep their City from burning? Throw some money at that and it won't happen? FUCK the facts of the matter?
Yesterday a Black man was shot and killed over some kind of traffic stop in a suberb of Minneapolis, and before any of those "Demonstraters" knew anything about how that stop went down or why, they are in the streets and surrounding the Police, and even I know when to retreat and regroup and hope help is on it's way.
During the evening hours the "Tribe" starts looting stores, still with NO facts of the case in mind, but that is OK? It is free TVs and anything else you can grab?
How many stores were set on fire? if any? but a lot were looted.
If I was a LEO in that area I would have called in and told HQ. I was done with this shit and be packing my bags and be moving on because no matter how the Chauvin case goes down it is going to be some bad shit in that area, but I would be a Quiter, I just know when to hold em and know when to fold em and come back when everything is all burned out. Glad I live where I am.
Yesterday a Black man was shot and killed over some kind of traffic stop in a suberb of Minneapolis, and before any of those "Demonstraters" knew anything about how that stop went down or why, they are in the streets and surrounding the Police, and even I know when to retreat and regroup and hope help is on it's way.
During the evening hours the "Tribe" starts looting stores, still with NO facts of the case in mind, but that is OK? It is free TVs and anything else you can grab?
How many stores were set on fire? if any? but a lot were looted.
If I was a LEO in that area I would have called in and told HQ. I was done with this shit and be packing my bags and be moving on because no matter how the Chauvin case goes down it is going to be some bad shit in that area, but I would be a Quiter, I just know when to hold em and know when to fold em and come back when everything is all burned out. Glad I live where I am.
The Pit is a place for morons who self identify as free thinkers to run around like children making sure to stomp out any wrongthink out of line with received wisdom. Quite a place indeed.
Apparently we do pay ransoms. In this case 27million. Tax payer dollars.
The dog idea sounds really efficient. Doubles the amounts of knees available in one fail swoop.
In regards to the fentanyl. I am of the opinion if he had more fentanyl he’d still be alive.
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I apologize for not following the trial very closely, so were the defense attorneys provided by the courts, a police association, or privately retained? If thats all the defense has planned; I would be pissed if I was Chauvin.
When I was getting out the military I had a higher than normal occurrence of cops pointing guns at me.
Now I’m treated like the big bad wolf even when someone wrecks into my vehicle and tries to flee.
I’m tired of being the victim while being made out to be the bad guy.
The justice system is beyond screwed. I would challenge someone to prove me wrong but what’s the point.
You're absolutely correct, Tool. I know jack shit bout any of this. Just being another uninformed blathering fool who thinks he's kinda gotta clue. You're always right, sport.
Actually, Floyd did have COVID, he did tell the police officers this, and this protocol (prone positioning) is being studied in voluntary non-intubated patients as well (meaning not on ventilator yet).This is discussing a clinical setting and appears to be addressing a Pt who’s on a vent. I also missed the part about having the nurse kneel on their back
You can't just put him in a seated position. What ends up happening in a situation with respiratory issues, such as that that would be caused by fentanyl overdose, is that the diaphragm gets compressed causing further difficulty breathing. This could lead to higher heart rate and high blood pressure... laying down is the best option
I'm not a lawyer, but I thought when you call up or interrogate the other side's witnesses or experts it can be "cross-examination" and its usually a sign of a lawyer being more thorough? In the case of using the other side's experts it can also save some cash as the other side is paying for the expert. Shouldn't count on a jury just yet, the defense should try to provide as many reasons as possible not to convict. Putting all the egg in one basket can be dicey.
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Crammed against a car with someone on the Pt.s back?
Ether way him on the ground cuffed, not crowded around, or with monkeys frantically jumping on his back, just calm letting him know EMS in enroute, would have been best.
I just don’t think a cuffed person is going to tolerate being prone on the ground as well as sitting, and less stress might have made all the difference
Yes, everything that "could have happened" are at the end of the day, assumptions.
This happens every day across the country as it is, yet youve never seen the reaction to them that we have this particular situations
K9 could have been used in the initial vehicle extraction (not hands [or mouth] on but as a presence).
Once brought back out of the car after going ape shit in the back seat, seat him on the curb with K9 3' from him with the K9 alerted (bark and hold). The simple presence of K9 changes situations. We trained a very close scenario to this for years with the officers that came through our K9 handling school. Its nothing complicated or out of the ordinary. This exact type situation plays out every day across the country.
Yes, it was a very shitty situation and a K9 very well could have changed the outcome and we dont know if the officers involved had the awareness, time, or ability to call in K9 at the time. I will guarantee you this, i bet every one of those officers wish K9 was there if not simply for the crowd control, keeping the hoodlums at bay while they dealt with GF. That alone may have changed the outcome of the situation.
Im not saying youre wrong at all b/c like we agreed on, these are all assumptions and speculation at the end of the day. They can't go back and get a re-do on this, but i am saying that I'm not wrong either.
Just for drill, there are a multitude of sources that are available regarding "funds" and "Legal Services", up to and including Counsel. The FOP, his Union, and various Legal Defense Insurance Funds if a contributor. He's definitely a "Union" Member since it's mandatory to participate/donate
in it as an employment requirement. You aren't "forced" to join the FOP and pay dues to them. The other sources are voluntary defense funds as well.So there is potential that his legal defense direction could be influenced by political means behind the scenes at his own trial through the union?Just for drill, there are a multitude of sources that are available regarding "funds" and "Legal Services", up to and including Counsel. The FOP, his Union, and various Legal Defense Insurance Funds if a contributor. He's definitely a "Union" Member since it's mandatory to participate/donate
How many football games are won on Monday mornings? My guess is all of them.
"So there is potential"? I think you already know the answer to this if you're honestly looking for a reply, and not being rhetorical. Am I right?
Just for fun, lemme toss this out there. If you asked "me" would I allow my Union or the FOP to provide legal services in this case were it me? Hell no. Trust NOBODY. And hire, by any means possible, a Head Hunter Honey Badger Badass who specializes in volatile high profile cases, such as this.
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/31/9831...law-enforcement-legal-defense-funds-for-court
https://leorf.org/
https://www.foplegal.com/
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